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Fr. McBrien of Notre Dame Says Long Arm of Bishops Canít Reach Catholic Colleges
The Cardinal Newman Society ^ | 10/29/12 | Matthew Archbold

Posted on 10/30/2012 6:23:08 AM PDT by marshmallow

Many “progressive Catholics” remain in the Church only because they have found refuge on college campuses “where the long arms of a bishop cannot reach,” writes Fr. Richard McBrien, the Crowley-O’Brien Professor of Theology at the University of Notre Dame, in his latest screed against the Vatican and the U.S. bishops.

Father McBrien writes in The National Catholic Reporter that “ultra-conservatives” are staging a “wholesale assault” on nuns for the soul of the Church. And McBrien is also looking forward to the next pope who, he predicts, will lead the Church more in line with his own progressive vision for the Church.

Oh, and he compares himself to Moses.

“The nuns have been in the forefront of the struggle to keep the spirit and the letter of the Second Vatican Council alive” writes Father McBrien. “Unfortunately, LCWR is a scapegoat for everything the right wing in the Catholic [C]hurch loathes. One should recognize that ultra-conservatives exist in the highest ranks of the Vatican, excluding no ecclesiastical office in the [C]hurch.”

He writes that while “the nuns” celebrate Vatican II, ultra-conservatives have staged a “terrible backlash” on Vatican II and are currently waging a “wholesale assault” on the nuns in the United States.

He blames Popes John Paul II and Benedict XVI of undermining the Council by appointing of bishops and archbishops “unfriendly” to it. Among those responsible for the “terrible backlash” McBrien includes:

Examples of such bishops are (with the diocese and year they were first ordained a bishop): Thomas Welsh, Arlington, Va., 1970 (now deceased); Thomas Daily, Brooklyn, N.Y., 1974 (now retired); Nicholas DiMarzio, Brooklyn, 1996; David Ricken, Green Bay, Wis., 2000; Richard Lennon, Cleveland, 2001.

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1 posted on 10/30/2012 6:23:09 AM PDT by marshmallow
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To: marshmallow

He is dancing on the TRAPDOOR of HELL!! REPENT and change your way, “Fr,” O’Brien!!


2 posted on 10/30/2012 6:25:27 AM PDT by Ann Archy ( ABORTION...the HUMAN Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: marshmallow
...“ultra-conservatives” are staging a “wholesale assault” on nuns for the soul of the Church.

In Mr O'Brien we see yet another believer in "The Nine Suggestions".

3 posted on 10/30/2012 6:33:14 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Ambassador Stevens Is Dead And The Chevy Volt Is Alive)
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To: marshmallow

Sometimes I wish the Obama threat to our institutions were yet more forceful, predatory, arrogant and radical, so we could lose to the Secular Power all those who are really just longing to be secular anyway, and the faithful remant (stalwartly remaining Catholic with a capital C and suffering for a time) would finally survive and triumph.


4 posted on 10/30/2012 6:33:47 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("Let us commend ourselves, and one another, and our whole life, unto Christ Our God.)
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To: marshmallow

He is in danger of losing his immortal soul


5 posted on 10/30/2012 6:41:19 AM PDT by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: marshmallow

This is a little hard for me to understand, but from what I have seen, many nuns are leading an assault against the Church.

I miss the Nuns who used to teach me. Nuns in habits who loved God and not the prpmotion of their own views.


6 posted on 10/30/2012 6:51:32 AM PDT by Venturer
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To: marshmallow

I’m a Baptist, where each congregation is responsible for its leadership. However, given Catholic teaching, why is this man still a Catholic?

Years ago, I was in a church where a guy kept backstabbing the deacons and pastor at every chance. He would go around talking to new or prospective members and complain. So finally, after several warnings, he was thrown out & told not to enter the church again. He then went to another congregation and started doing the same thing. They were warned by our example and threw him out after one warning.

Folks who live to create confusion and bitterness are NOT believers. I don’t understand how this man can claim to be Catholic.


7 posted on 10/30/2012 7:02:03 AM PDT by Mr Rogers
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To: Mr Rogers
We're still scratching our heads about this guy, too...... :-)
8 posted on 10/30/2012 7:13:37 AM PDT by marshmallow (.)
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To: marshmallow

What is this assault on the nuns he talks about?


9 posted on 10/30/2012 7:26:22 AM PDT by lasereye
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To: marshmallow

It is common knowledge on the campus at Notre Dame that McBrien has been living off-campus with a concubine for years.

It’s hard to believe that his religious superiors and the local bishop are not aware of this.


10 posted on 10/30/2012 8:12:18 AM PDT by Arthur McGowan (In Edward Kennedy's America, federal funding of brothels is a right, not a privilege.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
Sometimes I wish the Obama threat to our institutions were yet more forceful

Yes, there are benefits to persecution.

11 posted on 10/30/2012 8:38:32 AM PDT by aimhigh
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To: lasereye

There are some groups of nuns who no longer uphold the Catholic Church’s beliefs. The Pope has asked them to fill out a response to his questions. I hope they all get thrown out for not fulfilling their original intent.


12 posted on 10/30/2012 8:41:26 AM PDT by kitkat
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To: marshmallow

How did creeps like this sneak into the Catholic Universities? This man is a make-it-up as you go Catholic. He doesn’t believe in following the lead of Jesus Christ. He sounds like a Jesuit. I certainly wish he would admit he is not really a Catholic instead of trying to steer the Church in the wrong direction.


13 posted on 10/30/2012 9:02:10 AM PDT by maxwellsmart_agent
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To: Venturer
This is a little hard for me to understand, but from what I have seen, many nuns are leading an assault against the Church.

Toldya About the Lesbian Nuns in Leavenworth [Ann Barnhardt]

14 posted on 10/30/2012 9:05:19 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Government is the religion of the psychopath.)
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To: lasereye
What is this assault on the nuns he talks about?

He thinks any attempt by Rome to oversee them is an assault.

Toldya About the Lesbian Nuns in Leavenworth [Ann Barnhardt]

15 posted on 10/30/2012 9:12:04 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Government is the religion of the psychopath.)
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To: kitkat; lasereye
There are some groups of nuns who no longer uphold the Catholic Church’s beliefs.

These aren't the saintly women who dedicated their lives to educating children with a firm but loving hand that we think of when we think "nun". They are radical feminists that have publicly broken with the Church position on homosexuality, contraception, and other issues. They have openly thumbed their noses at the church hierarchy. Recently they went on a bus tour to protest the Ryan budget and campaign for "social justice" (i.e. stealing my money for their causes) and then their leader made a big speech at the DNC convention.

16 posted on 10/30/2012 9:15:56 AM PDT by pepsi_junkie (Who is John Galt?)
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To: marshmallow
Compares himself to Moses? From the article:
Earlier this year, Fr. McBrien cast doubt on papal authority, saying it’s “an incorrect assumption” that “the Bishop of Rome is free, by the will of Christ, not only to appoint all bishops in the Roman Catholic church, but to dismiss them as well.”

From the Bible:
Numbers 16:3 And when they had stood up against Moses and Aaron, they said : Let it be enough for you, that all the multitude consisteth of holy ones, and the Lord is among them : Why lift you up yourselves above the people of the Lord ?

He sounds more like Core and his crowd who claimed each person was their own highest authority in all things.

What God thinks of that heresy is here:
Numbers 16:33 And they went down alive into hell, the ground closing upon them, and they perished from among the people.

The fact that the Bishops in this country don't keep this guy and others like him out of universities shows just how corrosive and corrupting the culture in this country is.

The state this country is in makes you wonder how the majority of the people in this country have the gall to call themselves Christian. Even a lot of those who talk a good game go along to get along rather than confronting the decadence atheist media manipulators and fascist democrat politicians have been forcing into society for the past eighty years.

17 posted on 10/30/2012 9:46:49 AM PDT by Rashputin (Jesus Christ doesn't evacuate His troops, He leads them to victory.)
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To: Mr Rogers

Soetoro claims to be an American and people believe him.


18 posted on 10/30/2012 5:46:15 PM PDT by A.A. Cunningham (Barry Soetoro is a Kenyan communist)
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To: Rashputin; marshmallow

He’s “out of reach” on that campus because

a) he is a Diocesan priest of Hartford who has been pontificating from Indiana for decades, so not answerable to anyone but himself,

b) he’s at Notre Dame, who welcomed Obama with a red carpet, and supports him,

c) we’ll see, but I think the recently appointed Bishop of Fort Wayne, IN, even though he is reputed to be orthodox, certainly will not be able to change McBrien and Notre Dame.

I think the Church’s only option (and I’ve thought this for a while) is that they have to take radical action (like they are doing with the feminist sisters) and just tell them “Shape up or ship out” - if you want to be Catholic you can’t be “katholic” (sounds the same, but it ain’t).


19 posted on 10/31/2012 3:18:23 AM PDT by koinonia
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To: Rashputin

Just to let you know, there are devout Christians who do live in this country, but you have to remember, sadly, a lot of these devout Christians do live in FEAR or simply just do not KNOW where to start.

Also this stuff has been going on for decades. Sucessful clean-up cannot be done overnight.

With this year being the year of faith, I do have a lot of hope that change for the better will take place.


20 posted on 11/01/2012 4:36:24 AM PDT by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: marshmallow
He's stating what the faithful already know, but this may come as news to the Catholics who have slept through the revolution.

It's time for the bishops to take back the colleges, or cut them loose. My guess is that they're hoping that we're at the beginning of a return to orthodoxy, and that it's too soon to write off the nominally Catholic colleges.

At the very least, the bishops should be informing Catholics about the state of Catholic colleges.

21 posted on 11/01/2012 4:51:06 AM PDT by St_Thomas_Aquinas (Viva Christo Rey!)
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To: St_Thomas_Aquinas
At the very least, the bishops should be informing Catholics about the state of Catholic colleges.

I had hoped that my sons would go to a Catholic college. When we looked into the ones near us, however, we were appalled and ended up sending the boys to secular schools. The Newman Center at the local university is run by a very holy priest while the local Catholic Colleges are run by men whom I charitable describe as "confused".

22 posted on 11/01/2012 4:59:10 AM PDT by Straight Vermonter (Posting from deep behind the Maple Curtain)
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To: Venturer
I miss the Nuns who used to teach me. Nuns in habits who loved God and not the prpmotion of their own views.

They were sent to college and became secularized. They learned psychology, rather than devotion.

My guess is that this was deliberately planned by Marxist infiltrators. There are stories, dating from the late '60s, of entire orders apostasizing, after having been trained in psychology.

The Story of a Repentant Psychologist

Carl Rogers and the IMH Nuns

23 posted on 11/01/2012 5:04:58 AM PDT by St_Thomas_Aquinas (Viva Christo Rey!)
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To: Mr Rogers
I don’t understand how this man can claim to be Catholic.

Look to his bishop. Bishops have almost full disciplinary autonomy. Rome rarely sacks bishops. I suspect the reason is because the Vatican doesn't have the resources to police each archdiocese closely.

Think of this. The Vatican has an administrative staff that is smaller than the University of Notre Dame, overseeing a Church of 1.2 billion people, a flock considerably larger than the student body of Notre Dame.

The standard practice is to wait for wayward bishops to reach "retirement age," and then replace them. The current pope is giving high-profile dioceses orthodox bishops, and the liberals are screaming.

24 posted on 11/01/2012 5:14:05 AM PDT by St_Thomas_Aquinas (Viva Christo Rey!)
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To: Straight Vermonter
Sound like you made the right decision.

It reminds me of Bishop Sheen who said, "better for a Catholic child to fight for his faith in a secular school, than to go to a Catholic school and lose it."

Of course, this wouldn't apply to the 20 or so orthodox Catholic colleges.

25 posted on 11/01/2012 5:18:47 AM PDT by St_Thomas_Aquinas (Viva Christo Rey!)
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