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Difficult Days Ahead for the Church?
Archdiocese of Washington ^ | 11/6/12 | Msgr. Charles Pope

Posted on 11/07/2012 6:17:28 AM PST by marshmallow

My remarks will be brief, since this is not a political blog, and I am not a political prognosticator. The American people and process have spoken. But a few remarks based on the election results, things I think of as undeniable facts for the Church, though you are free to offer any rebuttals.

1. The strained relationship between the Catholic Church in the Democratic party will continue and the strain will likely grow. The reasons for this are that the Democratic Party is increasingly aligning itself with positions that are in direct conflict with Catholic teaching. More of this in the following points.

2. Largely unrestricted abortion will continue unabated, as will funding for organizations such as Planned Parenthood, the chief provider of abortion in this country. Possible Supreme Court nominations will also feature pro-choice jurists. Likewise many Circuit and other Federal District Court judges will continue to be appointed who favor largely unrestricted abortion.

3. The homosexual agenda will continue to grow and receive increasing legal recognition and protection. This includes not only gay “marriage” but also, other issues in the Gay agenda such as adoption, and the general insistence that the Gay lifestyle be promoted in schools and other public settings. This will require Church opposition and generally embroil us in many public disputes. This may have continued even with a Romney win, but there will be fewer political hurdles for such agendas and the pace will be quicker.

4. The HHS mandate moves forward, untouched. Our religious liberty is in greater jeopardy. We’ll have to meet the administration in court. And while the legal basis for our grievance seems strong, recent experience in the courts has demonstrated that nothing is certain. Civil disobedience may be in our future.

5. Extreme debt seems likely to pile up. Well.......

(Excerpt) Read more at blog.adw.org ...


TOPICS: Catholic; Current Events; Religion & Politics
KEYWORDS: abortion; democrat; democrats; hhs; hhsmandate; homosexualagenda; morality; msgrcharlespope
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To: GerardKempf

Considering women were happy to carry the worst failure of a president over the finish line, not once but twice. All in the name of protecting the “right” to butcher babies and the “right” to screw whoever they want and get free birthcontrol; I think i’ll pass on giving women any authority in the church.


21 posted on 11/07/2012 6:48:26 AM PST by Howdyneighbor
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To: NVDave

Actually mainstream Protestant sects are rife with Liberation Theology: http://www.pubtheo.com/page.asp?pid=1423

Notice how all the quotes cited in this article go back to the 1970s: http://www.religion-online.org/showarticle.asp?title=1832


22 posted on 11/07/2012 6:52:05 AM PST by vladimir998
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To: marshmallow

Evangelical vote stayed home. Majority of white women broke for Obama. President Obama 15-point lead among all Catholic voters.


23 posted on 11/07/2012 6:52:11 AM PST by navysealdad (http://drdavehouseoffun.com/)
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To: sitetest

I agree completely.

Don’t forget how silent they were when Terri Schindler Schiavo was being murdered by judicial fiat. Not a peep from them then either. I remember being amazed that my priest only spoke up about the sanctity of life AFTER she passed. Nothing beforehand. I still shake my head in shame about that.


24 posted on 11/07/2012 6:53:28 AM PST by FamiliarFace
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To: St_Thomas_Aquinas
Dear St_Thomas_Aquinas,

1 - Been there, done that, didn't even get a t-shirt. What we do from the bottom up has little effect on the effete, stalinist, incompetent hierarchy.

2 - Homeschooled my sons through 8th grade, sent ‘em to a decent Catholic high school with an actual Catholic identity. They have learned/are learning to be warriors for God. I've sent the older one out into the world, to college, as prepared as I could make him to fight the good fight. We speak often, explicitly, about the battle in which he is now engaged. Fortunately, where he is, there are other awake, knowledgeable Catholics who also know we're in a fight.

I'll add a third:

3 - Eliminate all monetary support for the formal church. Focus on giving your money to decent Catholic educational institutions NOT under the control of the bishop, and pro-life organizations, especially those that specifically and directly aid women in crisis pregnancy.


sitetest

25 posted on 11/07/2012 6:54:01 AM PST by sitetest (If Roe is not overturned, no unborn child will ever be protected in law.)
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To: NVDave

I was referring to the social justice that most christian churches support. Social justice is another word for socialism and socialism is an other word for collectivism. Liberation theology is staple of black churches. I should have been more explicit.


26 posted on 11/07/2012 6:59:16 AM PST by oldbrowser
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To: oldbrowser

Liberation theology has it’s roots in a roster of marxist nostrums peddled by a South American priest of the Catholic Church... which got warped into the twaddle peddled by some black churches in the US.

The core of it’s appeal loses a whole lot when one tries to peddle it to a bunch of shiny happy white folks in suburban America ... mostly because quite a lot of liberation theology is invested in blaming whitey for their ills.


27 posted on 11/07/2012 7:06:52 AM PST by NVDave
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To: FamiliarFace

Exactly.

The trope that the Catholic Church cares about the sanctity of life is a very convincing bit of propaganda on their part... because then you look at the actual instances where they could have stood tall... they were nowhere to be seen.


28 posted on 11/07/2012 7:09:19 AM PST by NVDave
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To: marshmallow

I’m sorry....but the Church has brought this upon themselves.

The response of the hierarchy to the Obamacare mandate has been nothing short of pathetic. Obama got right in their faces and delivered a shot to the solarplexus, and they did not even have the guts to take to the pulpits and tell the people in plain, direct language that a vote to re-elect him was tantamount to a mortal sin.

Instead we got cryptic references to web links where we could go and read a statement from the Bishops. And a muddled, confused Voters Guide which seemed to lump the mandate and tax-paid abortions in on an equal footing with immigration amnesty and “social justice”.

They’ve gone along with this program silently in Europe for decades, and I guess I should have expected that from them here. They’d rather that than risk offending Hispanics and union hacks who put into the collection basket, apparently.


29 posted on 11/07/2012 7:45:30 AM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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To: txrefugee
Some members of the Catholic church is one of the biggest supporters of illegal immigration, so they will reap what they have sown.

Fixed it for you.

30 posted on 11/07/2012 8:00:58 AM PST by verga (A nation divided by Zero!)
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To: marshmallow
My remarks will be brief, since this is not a political blog, and I am not a political prognosticator. The American people and process have spoken.

To those in the Catholic Church who voted conservative, and to the bishops who exhorted Catholics to do so, thank you.

31 posted on 11/07/2012 8:01:12 AM PST by Alex Murphy ("If you are not firm in faith, you will not be firm at all" - Isaiah 7:9)
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To: GerardKempf
As a Catholic, the church has also alienated the center right moderates like me as well. My wife has become disillusioned with Catholic Church - hence we go to non-denominational one now.

I am sorry to ell you that you are not a moderate catholic, you are a liberal protestant, and it is a good thing that you made the decision to leave. I hope that upon prayerful reflection you will see the error of your ways and come home again.

32 posted on 11/07/2012 8:07:00 AM PST by verga (A nation divided by Zero!)
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To: Alex Murphy

Thank you Alex.


33 posted on 11/07/2012 8:12:32 AM PST by Shark24
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To: sitetest
3 - Eliminate all monetary support for the formal church. Focus on giving your money to decent Catholic educational institutions NOT under the control of the bishop, and pro-life organizations, especially those that specifically and directly aid women in crisis pregnancy.

Good idea.

34 posted on 11/07/2012 9:08:56 AM PST by St_Thomas_Aquinas (Viva Christo Rey!)
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To: GerardKempf
As a Catholic

hence we go to non-denominational one now.

You're no Catholic, gerry.

35 posted on 11/07/2012 10:06:02 AM PST by A.A. Cunningham (Barry Soetoro is a Kenyan communist)
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To: marshmallow

Not surprising since the Catholic “religion” is blind to so many Biblical truths.


36 posted on 11/07/2012 10:07:02 AM PST by crosshairs (America: Once the land of the free. Still the home of the brave.)
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To: Segovia

You can’t blame ALL Catholics here, please.

Blame the CINOs all you want.

And why are you wishing evil on people? Don’t you know what the Bible says about that? It will come back to bite you, right?


37 posted on 11/07/2012 10:14:50 AM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: sitetest

We can have heart with the new Bishops that Pope Benedict is putting in place.

Keep praying. God’s vote isn’t counted yet!


38 posted on 11/07/2012 10:20:09 AM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: NVDave

Are you a Christian? Why do you wish evil upon people?


39 posted on 11/07/2012 10:21:20 AM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Salvation
Dear Salvation,

The Holy Father has a limited pool from which to draw. Unfortunately, that pool is more limited in many ways than one would like.


sitetest

40 posted on 11/07/2012 10:26:02 AM PST by sitetest (If Roe is not overturned, no unborn child will ever be protected in law.)
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