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Election Reflection for Warrior Catholics
Catholic Exchange ^ | November 8, 2012 | FR. JOHN HOLLOWELL

Posted on 11/08/2012 5:55:04 AM PST by NYer

I became a priest because God was calling me to it. I can promise you…it wasn’t my idea. At the time of my calling, and indeed throughout seminary, I imagined being a priest in a medium-sized parish, baptizing babies, marrying couples, growing old, and eventually dying and going to heaven.

Perhaps to keep me from running away, I was spared viewing the type of priesthood that God has since let me know that I would ACTUALLY be called to. Practically from my ordination day, I’ve felt (and been shown) that the priesthood God is raising up in me and my fellow priests of my generation is a priesthood of warriors who will fight and die for the faith. I’ve also realized, from pretty early on, that this generation of warrior priests would be, in an earthly sense, too late. It is tempting to ask, “why didn’t God raise up priests like this 40 years ago?” I don’t have the answer, but I know enough to know that God has his reasons.

It began with homilies…when people would come up and complain about them I would sit there and have a kind of out of body experience and think “I should be really affected by this, but I could care less that this person is yelling at me right now.” Of course it continued with videos spreading out across the country to friends and foes alike…I remember thinking “I should be really sad that people are attacking me” but I remember in those moments being overcome with the urge to chuckle at how little it actually DID affect me. You, as a faithful Catholic, have likely had similar experiences…and that is God working in you and preparing you for what is to come as well.

And so it begins…

[1]I’m a bigger fan of authentic peace, but I’d rather have a battle than surface level passive-aggressive “peace” that simply masks evil. I’ve seen, in 3.5 years of priesthood, that perhaps a battle would do us all some good. If the stats hold true, 40% of Catholics who go to Mass every week just stood in open defiance of their bishops and the Church in voting in the affirmative for a candidate who:

1) supports redefining marriage
2) supports forcing the Church to do something it will never do
3) is for abortion through all 9+ months of pregnancy
4) is for the government helping people procure abortions if they can’t afford one
5) provides for the destruction of human embryos for research

Please draw me up a candidate who could more completely embody the opposite of Catholicism.

The Catholic Church in the United States is a cage that needs rattling, and the coming battle will provide just such a shake-up. The days of bishops and cardinals yucking it up with anti-Catholic politicians will soon be at an end. The days of bishops and cardinals wagging fingers at anti-Catholic “catholic” politicians and telling them not to cross this line again…and then redrawing the line further back…those days will soon be at an end.

And I guess what I’m saying is that there is a lazy part of me that prefers comfort and wishes it never had to come to blows like this surely will…but there is another part of me that realizes God is doing something in the hearts of faithful priests and Catholics and I think we’re on the edge of something that will be unlike anything we’ve seen in our lifetimes.

“Do not think that I have come to bring peace. I’ve come not to bring peace but rather the sword.” – Jesus Christ. He brings the sword because the sword wakes people up, and it is better to be awakened at the last moment so that one can still repent than it is for a person to gain the whole world but lose his soul.

………….

My favorite scene from the Dark Knight Rises movie is at the beginning. Commissioner Jim Gordon is at a podium and a couple of fatcat politicians are talking about him from afar:
fatcat 1: “He’s going to have plenty of free time, the mayor’s dumping him.”
fatcat 2: “But he’s a hero!”
fatcat 1: “He’s a wartime hero, this is peacetime.”

“Wartime Heroes” always seem clumsy, brutish, unpolished, unrefined etc. when things are going swell and dandy and everyone has enough food to eat. Wartime heroes don’t know how to make a martini and don’t have a room full of stogies, but when peacetime evaporates, no one gives a dang about priests and bishops and leaders that are “refined” and “dignified”, people turn to warrior priests and warrior Catholics…they will turn to us soon…and we will be ready.



TOPICS: Catholic; Moral Issues; Religion & Culture; Religion & Politics
KEYWORDS: catholic

1 posted on 11/08/2012 5:55:06 AM PST by NYer
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To: netmilsmom; thefrankbaum; Tax-chick; GregB; saradippity; Berlin_Freeper; Litany; SumProVita; ...
The days of bishops and cardinals yucking it up with anti-Catholic politicians will soon be at an end. The days of bishops and cardinals wagging fingers at anti-Catholic “catholic” politicians and telling them not to cross this line again…and then redrawing the line further back…those days will soon be at an end.

The end of those days can't come soon enough.

2 posted on 11/08/2012 5:57:00 AM PST by NYer ("Before I formed you in the womb I knew you." --Jeremiah 1:5)
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To: NYer

Wow 40% :( Maybe the Catholic (American) church isn’t the place for me.


3 posted on 11/08/2012 5:59:09 AM PST by Michigander222
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To: NYer

Amen!


4 posted on 11/08/2012 6:02:01 AM PST by FamiliarFace
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To: Michigander222; Iscool
As freeper, Iscool, noted on another thread, the breakdown of catholic voters follows party demographics.


8 out of 10 white Protestants voted for Romney...95% of black Protestants voted for Obama...

6 out of 10 White Catholics voted for Romney...75% of Mexican Catholics voted for Obama...


Viewed in its proper context, a clearer picture emerges.

5 posted on 11/08/2012 6:07:46 AM PST by NYer ("Before I formed you in the womb I knew you." --Jeremiah 1:5)
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To: Michigander222
Wow 40% :( Maybe the Catholic (American) church isn’t the place for me.

The number changes when you talk about people who actually regularly go to Mass. Also the trend is in the right direction.
6 posted on 11/08/2012 6:17:32 AM PST by Dr. Sivana (There is no salvation in politics.)
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To: NYer

As a Catholic who also spent a lot of time in the Methodist Church, I can tell you this: The Methodists are humanists who hate conflict, and I am embarrassed by those Catholics who voted for baby killers. Yes, I know it isn’t “civilized” to call it baby killing. But that is what it is. A murder of an innocent by any other name is still a murder. I too feel like one of the warriors this priest is talking about. My birth family and all my relatives voted for the democrat. I am so isolated in my Orthodoxy. However, I cannot help it. It has been this way for me since I was a kid. I have to walk this road.


7 posted on 11/08/2012 6:18:28 AM PST by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: yldstrk

“However, I cannot help it. It has been this way for me since I was a kid. I have to walk this road”.

Me too. Fortunately, I have like minded family. Hang in there.


8 posted on 11/08/2012 6:21:30 AM PST by Michigander222
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To: Michigander222
Wow 40% :( Maybe the Catholic (American) church isn’t the place for me.

The number changes when you talk about people who actually regularly go to Mass. Also the trend is in the right direction, as the number were worse before. We are still recovering from a problematic generation that got started up in the '60s.
9 posted on 11/08/2012 6:22:11 AM PST by Dr. Sivana (There is no salvation in politics.)
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To: Michigander222
Maybe the Catholic (American) church isn’t the place for me.

There's no such thing as an "American" Catholic Church.

There is a large and growing heretical movement within the Catholic Church, mostly composed of Americans and some Western Europeans. Why Jesus has not dealt with this problem yet is not known to me, but this problem does not create a separate Catholic Church in America.

10 posted on 11/08/2012 6:23:05 AM PST by Jim Noble (Diseases desperate grown are by desperate appliance relieved or not at all.)
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To: NYer
Viewed in its proper context, a clearer picture emerges.

The real picture is of the people that did not bother to vote.

11 posted on 11/08/2012 6:26:42 AM PST by oldbrowser
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To: NYer

I’d like the church to take the idea of a “warrior priest” a step further, if not into actual combat.

All over the world, there are Catholic (and many other Christian) communities that are sorely oppressed by the people around them. More than anything else, they need practical guidance of “how to protect themselves from their oppressors, so they do not have to defend themselves from their oppressors.”

Imagine a large lay organization of Catholics trained as soldiers, with “warrior priests” as chaplains, that would travel the world to such communities to teach them ways to protect their community, each other and themselves from attacks by hostile outsiders.

This would be at times an unofficial and discreet effort, and at times under full diplomatic license from the Vatican.

First, experts would examine a community to evaluate it and what it could reasonably do to protect itself. Skilled military people can be very adept at this, as well as imagining inexpensive and pragmatic ways to adjust to improve security. At the same time, the “warrior priests” would evaluate and assist the local clergy and act as liaisons to the community leaders.

Next, they would network the people of the community so that they know how to mutually support each other. Much of this would be in the creation of communications and “emergency services” as it were. Standing together is much stronger than facing the enemy alone.

Then finally, every able bodied, willing person in the community, and the children, could be taught basic unarmed martial arts. This is based on the principal that even modest resistance to an attacker makes the attack much harder. Such attackers tend to be cowardly and to want an easy attack, so if it is made more difficult, they are less inclined to continue or try again.

In any event, the cost of creating such an organization is small compared to the enormous benefits it can provide around the world.


12 posted on 11/08/2012 6:26:58 AM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy (DIY Bumper Sticker: "THREE TIMES,/ DEMOCRATS/ REJECTED GOD")
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To: Michigander222

Wow 40% :( Maybe the Catholic (American) church isn’t the place for me.


Michigander, please do not give up. YOU must put on your warrior armor yourself, like I have. It is up to YOU to talk to your fellow parishoners about the coming battle so that YOU can help them put on THEIR warrior armor.

If your pastor has not said much about the battle of good vs. evil, then YOU must remind him that he is the leader of the flock.

If he does not talk about the evils of abortion, same-sex, in-vitro fertilization, babies out-of-wedlock in the coming weeks after you have spoken to him the first time, then YOU must gather several of your warrior friends and, as a group, tell your pastor that you expect to hear from the pulpit these things.

This is a battle that we must engage. Along the way you will convert your friends back to true full communion with God.

Onward Soldiers For Christ!


13 posted on 11/08/2012 6:28:04 AM PST by AlexisHeavyMetal1981 (x)
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To: NYer

Amen to that NYer.


14 posted on 11/08/2012 6:32:45 AM PST by sneakers (Go Sheriff Joe!)
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To: Michigander222

I’ll tell you where there are some more “warrior Catholics”. They are among the laity; at the Latin Mass. In the Latin Mass that I go to in the Chicago area, the priests are warriors and so are the parishoners. I believe these people will save yhe Catholic Church.


15 posted on 11/08/2012 6:34:44 AM PST by MondoQueen
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To: NYer

Amen to that NYer.


16 posted on 11/08/2012 6:37:10 AM PST by sneakers (Go Sheriff Joe!)
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To: Dr. Sivana
Wow 40% :( Maybe the Catholic (American) church isn’t the place for me.

The Catholics that should be shown the door are the ones that openly flaunt the churches teaching. Here is my suggestions for starters:

Pelosi, Biden, Tom Harkin (Iowa, D) , Richard Durbin (Illinois, D) , Mary Landrieu (Louisiana, D, John Kerry (Massachusetts, D),Barbara Mikulski (Maryland, D) , Claire McCaskill (Missouri, D) , Robert Menendez (New Jersey, D), Kirsten Gillibrand (New York, D) , Jack Reed (Rhode Island, D), Pat Leahy (Vermont, D) , Maria Cantwell (Washington, D), Patty Murray (Washington, D).

17 posted on 11/08/2012 6:45:11 AM PST by oldbrowser
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To: NYer

The warrior part is when all of us of faith fight - through letters, vigils, demonstrations, prayer. We have to drive our church leaders where they won’t go: to oppose the open sin and scandal of “Catholics” who support abortion and gay “marriage” and unneeded wars. We need a church militant in this time of immoral descent.


18 posted on 11/08/2012 6:46:03 AM PST by Chainmail (A simple rule of life: if you can be blamed, you're responsible.)
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To: NYer
The Catholic Church in the United States is a cage that needs rattling, and the coming battle will provide just such a shake-up. The days of bishops and cardinals yucking it up with anti-Catholic politicians will soon be at an end. The days of bishops and cardinals wagging fingers at anti-Catholic “catholic” politicians and telling them not to cross this line again…and then redrawing the line further back…those days will soon be at an end.

I'll believe it when I see it! I've been hearing for years that this is the year/time/election that the bishops are finally going to start standing up for what they're suppoded to believe. As I said, I'll believe it when I see it.

And I guess what I’m saying is that there is a lazy part of me that prefers comfort and wishes it never had to come to blows like this surely will…but there is another part of me that realizes God is doing something in the hearts of faithful priests and Catholics and I think we’re on the edge of something that will be unlike anything we’ve seen in our lifetimes.

Again. I'll believe it when I see it.

19 posted on 11/08/2012 6:46:15 AM PST by pgkdan (We are witnessing the modern sack of Rome. The barbarians have taken over.)
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To: oldbrowser
The Catholics that should be shown the door are the ones that openly flaunt the churches teaching. Here is my suggestions for starters:

Pelosi, Biden, Tom Harkin (Iowa, D) , Richard Durbin (Illinois, D) , Mary Landrieu (Louisiana, D, John Kerry (Massachusetts, D),Barbara Mikulski (Maryland, D) , Claire McCaskill (Missouri, D) , Robert Menendez (New Jersey, D), Kirsten Gillibrand (New York, D) , Jack Reed (Rhode Island, D), Pat Leahy (Vermont, D) , Maria Cantwell (Washington, D), Patty Murray (Washington, D).


I agree. However, for this to really work, you need all of the bishops of the pol's home state AND Washington DC as well. At that time, you'll hear the cries of the Church dabbling in politics, and the war escalates. The war has to escalate or we will have given Obama veto power over teh Church in our country.
20 posted on 11/08/2012 6:55:47 AM PST by Dr. Sivana (There is no salvation in politics.)
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To: NYer
6 out of 10 White Catholics voted for Romney...75% of Mexican Catholics voted for Obama...

Yes...and a huge percentage of those Mexican Catholics are here illegally and still voted and they're here with the encouragement and the aid and comfort of the Catholic hierarchy. The bishops can't have it both ways. They claim to oppose obama and his anti-Christian ways and yet help flood the country with the people whose presence makes possible the election of obama.

21 posted on 11/08/2012 6:56:27 AM PST by pgkdan (We are witnessing the modern sack of Rome. The barbarians have taken over.)
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To: MondoQueen
And I guess what I’m saying is that there is a lazy part of me that prefers comfort and wishes it never had to come to blows like this surely will…but there is another part of me that realizes God is doing something in the hearts of faithful priests and Catholics and I think we’re on the edge of something that will be unlike anything we’ve seen in our lifetimes.

I don't read this paragraph as metaphor.

22 posted on 11/08/2012 6:58:13 AM PST by pgkdan (We are witnessing the modern sack of Rome. The barbarians have taken over.)
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To: MondoQueen

MondoQueen said it before I could. You go to the Traditional Latin Mass, and you won’t find anyone debating about what is or is not Catholic orthodoxy. Everyone there — from the priest down to the youngest child in catechism class — knows the score.


23 posted on 11/08/2012 6:59:49 AM PST by NewJerseyJoe (Rat mantra: "Facts are meaningless! You can use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true!")
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To: yldstrk

Hang in there yldstrk, the number of strong Catholics is increasing.

Good signs:
1. My teenage daughter went to a retreat/conference this summer where there were 5,000 kids learning about real Catholic things like the beauty of chastity, and the practice of adoration of the eucharist. She came back so fortified in her faith, and has been reading her youth catholic bible on her own since then. Probably not all 5,000 kids were touched that way, but many, many were.
2. My womens bible study is very orthodox. They were pretty crushed by the election results, but they are prayer warriors and pretty used to storming heaven when the situation calls for it. Don’t underestimate the power of people like that. People like them are few and scattered around, but they pray like they mean it.


24 posted on 11/08/2012 7:13:40 AM PST by married21 (As for me and my house, we will serve the Lord.)
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To: Michigander222

It’s our job (duty) as the 60 peprcent to evangelize and enlighten this 40 peprcent.

Don’t give up!

Or as Winston Churchilll said during World War II: “Never give in, never give in, never give in!”


25 posted on 11/08/2012 7:48:02 AM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: AlexisHeavyMetal1981

**Onward Soldiers For Christ!**

Amen! I think that is why many of us are here on FR!

Our work is cut out for us.......Protestants need to get to the Black Protestants who voted for Obama

Catholics need to get to the Hispanics who voted for Obama


26 posted on 11/08/2012 7:54:00 AM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: AlexisHeavyMetal1981

And we all need to get to those people who complain about what is happening and ask them if they voted.

When they reply in the negative, we can start a list with name and phone number and follow up on it by giving them a call and/or a ride to vote in the next election!

I know that sounds mundane, but we will have to do it.


27 posted on 11/08/2012 7:56:23 AM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: yldstrk

At the end of the day, Catholic Church leadership did not have the courage of their convictions. They shied away from a direct confrontation with Obama and anything that might have dissuaded Democrats from the collection basket.

They should have been wall-to-wall with one clear, unequivocal message. Either Obama backs down from this, or it is sinful for Catholics to vote for him.

They did not come anywhere even remotely close to that.


28 posted on 11/08/2012 8:07:40 AM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Buckeye McFrog
It occurs to me that the Catholics who attend Mass regularly are also the ones that donate regularly to the Church. Since the Bishops seem to want to play "nice-nice" with the "Catholic" politicians who claim to be Catholic but support non-Catholic positions, we faithful Catholics should tell the Bishops, "no more money until you start excommunicating these hereitcs."

The priest at my parents parish voted for Obama! I think a national movement would be in order. Write a letter to your bishop and tell him you are no longer donating to the Church until they take real action.

29 posted on 11/08/2012 8:24:46 AM PST by lawdave
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To: NYer

Father Hollowell has some good points here. There is going to be a time very soon that priests and bishops will know that being tough and assertive may be the most loving, Christian act they will ever have to do. The greatest act of mercy may be to correct an injustice, bearing in mind the future of the souls of their flocks.


30 posted on 11/08/2012 9:09:17 AM PST by Gerish (Feed your faith and your doubts will starve to death.)
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To: lawdave

I can bet that my priest didn’t vote for Obama but the priest at the other parish in town yeah he probably did.

We will all face God and as that video asked “Will your vote stand the test of fire”?


31 posted on 11/08/2012 6:28:02 PM PST by Not gonna take it anymore (If Obama were twice as smart as he is, he would be a wit)
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