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Vatican Digs in After Gay Marriage Advances
AP ^ | 11/10/11 | Nicole Winfield

Posted on 11/11/2012 6:16:42 AM PST by marshmallow

VATICAN CITY (AP) -- The Vatican is digging in after gay marriage initiatives scored big wins this week in the U.S. and Europe, vowing to never stop insisting that marriage can only be between a man and a woman.

In a front-page article in Saturday's Vatican newspaper L'Osservatore Romano, the Holy See sought to frame itself as the lone voice of courage in opposing initiatives to give same-sex couples legal recognition. In a separate Vatican Radio editorial, the pope's spokesman asked sarcastically why gay marriage proponents don't now push for legal recognition for polygamous couples as well.

Catholic teaching holds that homosexuals should be respected and treated with dignity but that homosexual acts are "intrinsically disordered." The Vatican also opposes same-sex marriage, insisting on the sanctity of marriage between a man and woman as the foundation for society.

The Vatican's anti-gay marriage media blitz came after three U.S. states approved same-sex marriage by popular vote in the election that returned Barack Obama to the U.S. presidency, Spain upheld its gay marriage law, and France pushed ahead with legislation that could see gay marriage legalized early next year.

"One might say the church, at least on this front, has been defeated," L'Osservatore Romano wrote. "But that's not the case."

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TOPICS: Catholic; Moral Issues; Religion & Culture
KEYWORDS: catholicvote; homosexualagenda; idiotsdidntvote4mitt
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To: Rapscallion
If you do not want homosexual marriage SAY SO! Loud and clear.

I think my priest's voice is still hoarse from shouting the homily saying just that.

And then a strongly-worded position paper was handed out for those hard of hearing.

21 posted on 11/11/2012 8:52:30 AM PST by steve86 (Acerbic by Nature, not Nurture tm)
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To: Venturer

Oh. OK. :-)


22 posted on 11/11/2012 8:58:48 AM PST by sneakers (Go Sheriff Joe!)
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To: Venturer
I am only stating a fact.

Incorrect. You're stating a poorly formed opinion, only.

23 posted on 11/11/2012 9:10:45 AM PST by A.A. Cunningham (Barry Soetoro is a Kenyan communist)
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To: Little Bill
I don’t think that there has been an Excommunication in the US since Leander Perez in LA in the ‘60’s,

Perhaps you should engage in some research before publicly speculating.

24 posted on 11/11/2012 9:16:02 AM PST by A.A. Cunningham (Barry Soetoro is a Kenyan communist)
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To: Rapscallion
"Internal homosexuality has weakened the Church’s voice and standing in the world."

Homosexuality in the Church is but a symptom of the heresy of Modernism that has infected the Church.

More than a hundred years ago the Church recognized the dangers of this modernist view and identified it as a heresy. Pope Pius X wisely dubbed Modernism "the synthesis of all heresies”. Today, Modernism remains a corrosive threat to the Church because it appeals to our vanities and masquerades as enlightenment and tolerance.

Modernism is not identifiable as a dogmatic difference with the Church, rather it is a belief that doctrine and dogma are somehow of secondary importance to its fundamental moral teachings. Arising from within the Protestant reformation, it infects the body of the Church with the notion that the highest truths are those that arise from and or appeal to our reason.

Our “Modern” culture is full of the practice and outright evangelization of Modernism. It has often become the state religion. Every hard decision we are faced with has an easier answer if we succumb to Modernism. We can absolve or diminish every grave and minor sin if we can fabricate a moral construct in which the sinner can remain “a good person”. As a consequence we live in a country in which millions of unborn are killed every year, the institution of the family is being destroyed and our children can expect a standard of living less than ours.

Peace be with you.

25 posted on 11/11/2012 9:17:43 AM PST by Natural Law (Jesus did not leave us a Bible, He left us a Church.)
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To: Capt. Tom

What should Protestant Churches do?


26 posted on 11/11/2012 9:23:46 AM PST by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: D-fendr

Since homsexuality is condemned in the Bible as “an abomination”it seems clear that all Christian churches should condemn homsexuality and not allow those who practice it nay position of authority.


27 posted on 11/11/2012 9:32:17 AM PST by hoosierham (Freedom isn't free)
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To: A.A. Cunningham
Perez and the Catholic Church

In the spring of 1962, the Archdiocese of New Orleans announced its plan to desegregate the New Orleans parochial school system for the 1962–1963 school year. Perez led a movement to pressure businesses into firing any whites who allowed their children to attend the newly desegregated Catholic schools. Catholics in St. Bernard Parish boycotted one school, which the Archdiocese kept open without students for four months until it was burned down. In response, Archbishop Joseph Rummel excommunicated Perez on April 16, 1962. Perez responded by saying the Catholic Church was “being used as a front for clever Jews” and announced that he would form his own church, the “Perezbyterians.”

Leander Perez tomb in Metairie Cemetery, New Orleans
Perez also described himself at one point as “a Catholic, but not an Archbishop's Catholic.”[3] He eventually reconciled with the church before his death after issuing a retraction [7] and received a requiem mass at Holy Name of Jesus Christ Church at Loyola University in New Orleans.

I remember that he and his family groveled;

28 posted on 11/11/2012 9:43:23 AM PST by Little Bill (A)
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To: hoosierham

Thanks, but what should Protestant Churches do regarding politicians similar to your post 17?


29 posted on 11/11/2012 10:50:55 AM PST by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: MassRepublican

“As a child, we prayed for the conversion of Russia - now we need to pray for the conversion of America!”

What a sad, sad commentary. I truly believe that as of Tuesday past, the USA is now a Third World nation. God help us (not that we deserve it).


30 posted on 11/11/2012 11:51:58 AM PST by EDINVA
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To: netmilsmom; thefrankbaum; Tax-chick; GregB; saradippity; Berlin_Freeper; Litany; SumProVita; ...

Catholic ping!


31 posted on 11/11/2012 12:17:27 PM PST by NYer ("Before I formed you in the womb I knew you." --Jeremiah 1:5)
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To: Venturer

The Church is recognizing this. THAT is why, in this Year of Faith, the focus is to be on the evangelization of those in the pews....as well as those who are not often in the pews.


32 posted on 11/11/2012 12:22:54 PM PST by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo....Sum Pro Vita - Modified Descartes)
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To: Venturer

Source for your statistics, please.


33 posted on 11/11/2012 1:48:08 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Salvation

I am the source, dispute it if you can


34 posted on 11/11/2012 3:17:31 PM PST by Venturer
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To: D-fendr

Both Catholic and Protestant churches ought to be reminding their epople that Jesus did say go and sin no more and I think there were instructions not to associate with those who will not listen to correction or try to mend their ways.


35 posted on 11/11/2012 10:39:30 PM PST by hoosierham (Freedom isn't free)
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To: Wiggins; marshmallow
One thing to note is that Vatican newspaper L'Osservatore Romano is incorrect. The "L'Osservatore" is a newspaper of the Vatican city-state. it does not purport to be, nor is, the religious voice of the Pope or the Catholic Church as a whole.

I'll wait for a separate pronouncement from the Church for an "official statement"

36 posted on 11/12/2012 3:49:06 AM PST by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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To: Rapscallion
with strong voice backed by action,

Pray can you tell us which one has this strong voice and numbers > 1 million congregants? Anything smaller, the voice is not heard

37 posted on 11/12/2012 3:55:38 AM PST by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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