Skip to comments.Pastor's Corner: Citizens under a non-Christian king [No Bible promise of religious liberty]
Posted on 11/11/2012 1:49:35 PM PST by Colofornian
By DANIEL AUSBUN
First Baptist Church, Moreland
On Tuesday Americans elected a Christian President.
The vote was between a fifth generation Mormon and a religious pluralist. Mitt Romneys great-great grandfather was a member of the Latter-day Saints early church. Mormons believe Joseph Smith received revelations from God in western New York beginning in the 1820s.
Mormon teachings add to Gods Word, which is prohibited in Revelation 22:18.
Barack Obama is a Christian by choice. He was baptized as an adult in 1988.
Obama believes Christianity is one of many paths to God. As if were all traveling up a mountain and Christianity takes one path, Hinduism a different road on the other side and Islam another path up only to get to the top and realize we were all going up the same mountain to God, only taking different paths.
This is the growing popular belief of religious pluralism all sincere, devout religious seekers reach God. The problem with religious pluralism is what Jesus declared in John 14:6. Christ is the exclusive way to God.
Christianity could better be described as God coming down the mountain to save sinners.
Both Mitt Romney and Barack Obama profess to be Christians. Both make this claim, but neither are biblical Christians. If the Bible is our standard (II Timothy 3:16), Jesus clearly said He is the door to salvation (John 10:9). Once the Bible becomes one of many inspired divine books, as found in Mormonism and religious pluralism, Christianity becomes inclusive and anything goes.
Christianity began under Roman rule. Jesus paid Roman taxes. Jesus died on a Roman cross. Christianity is becoming a religious sect in America, just as Judaism was under Roman rule during the days of Jesus. The first century Christians were under authority of a non-Christian king, just like America is today.
Here are three perspectives to consider for a Christian to live as a citizen under a non-Christian king.
First, Washington D. C. is the new Rome. Pres. Obama is not going to provide any religious or spiritual leadership for our nation. Christians should come to expect a secular government.
The greatest protection our government can give believers is religious liberty. This protection is not promised anywhere in Scripture.
Second, Washington D. C. is the new mission field. Spiritual darkness pervades our capital. There are hundreds of religious lobbyists, but whenever you mix religion and politics, you get politics. Jesus told Paul to testify about Him in Rome (Acts 23:11). Less than 15 percent of the population in our capital attends church.
Third, change isnt going to come from our president, rather Christ changes lives. Abortions will cease when women value life as a gift from God. Same-sex marriage will vanish when couples begin to view marriage as a covenant. Recreational use of marijuana will be replaced when people are delivered from their addictions.
When our King comes He wont be riding an elephant or donkey.
Christians have three purposes. First, were to preach the gospel. We have the message that saves, heals, frees and connects the world with the God of eternity.
Second, were to love our neighbors. Our neighbors voted for Obama, are Mormons, have a different color skin and Jesus died for all of them.
Third, were to be on mission. Psalm 10:16 says, The Lord is King forever and ever. President Obama has four more years God remains on His throne. A Christians mission is to the everlasting King as long as spiritual darkness remains, missions exist.
America is becoming more and more like first-century Christianity striving to live for Christ under non-Christian secular rule. Presidential elections should always remind believers their citizenship is ultimately in heaven (Philippians 3:20).
From the article: Washington D. C. is the new Rome. Pres. Obama is not going to provide any religious or spiritual leadership for our nation. Christians should come to expect a secular government. The greatest protection our government can give believers is religious liberty. This protection is not promised anywhere in Scripture. Second, Washington D. C. is the new mission field. Spiritual darkness pervades our capital.
(A reminder for those who sought relief from mere human sources...this was a failing of the Democrats and many in need in the immediate aftermath of Katrina...as if Bush, the govt, and FEMA were their "saviors")
From the article: America is becoming more and more like first-century Christianity striving to live for Christ under non-Christian secular rule. Presidential elections should always remind believers their citizenship is ultimately in heaven (Philippians 3:20).
The Bible promises us hard times and persecution
We the Sovereign People are given the duty to defend the rights to life, liberty and property and to oppose those who are violating them, even if it means war.
That is what the Declaration of Independence says, of us. We the People are the sovereign authorities in the United States of America, as referenced in Romans 13.
Ignorance is bliss and the writer is either blissfully, or willfully ignorant of the fact that there are more bibles containing different books than just the protestant bible he grew up with.
By the writer's standard, Catholics, Eastern Orthodox, Armenians, Syriacs, Coptics and Ethiopians are non-Christian because they have bibles containing different books from that of the writer's bible.
Excellent article. But please, since you have single-handedly managed to save the nation from electing a Mormon president (and you can sit back and enjoy the fruits of Obama's labor), you can stop now. That horse has left the barn. I seriously doubt you are going to convert the few remaining Mormons who frequent this board. Let's just say that they might possibly be of the opinion that while your voluminous posts indicate that you have all knowledge (as in 1 Cor: 13:2) they're not really feelin' ya vis a vis the second part of that verse.
HE is NO Christian. His choice was Black Theology as his religion who says G*d damn America. NOTHING Christian about it. And I don't need him to be a Christian - but I do want the facts to be right about him.
Christians know we are 'in the world' and not 'of it'. We are also told to hate evil and I DO. And voter fraud is EVIL. And that doesn't make me hate my neighbor whoever they voted for. We are to confront evil and not turn our backs to it. Protecting America from her enemies within is also a blessing for Israel. Why has America been so blessed?
The article went on to say, and I highlighted it in my first post: Both Mitt Romney and Barack Obama profess to be Christians. Both make this claim, but neither are biblical Christians.
Prone to exaggeration, aren't you? And inconsistency as well...
How is it inconsistent? First you somehow claim that MILLIONS read what I write -- and all somehow agree with me; and then you reduce what I write to Mormons to only those "who frequent this board." (If there's somehow MILLIONS who read my stuff, then why not MILLIONS of Mormons who don't frequent FR?)
And the exaggeration is obvious
I mean even if you could somehow prove that FR collectively has as much influence as you even accord me, note that very few threads were posted by me after Aug. 11. (I didn't even post at all the latter part of August; and not at all during September)
So what are you going to do? Retroactively chastise every negative poster of Romney -- including this site's host? Since Romney still had competition up thru Santorum's departure (I believe that was early April), is every negative poster of Romney from 2007-thru March 2012 somehow suspect in your eyes?
Were people suppose to know with your "vision" that a RINO would be the GoP rep -- and therefore Romney & his Mormonism was supposed to be "sacrosanct" and free from ALL crits, per divine order of Newheart?
Hmm...I guess Romney's primary competition never got your memo...(and I didn't either)
....but whenever you mix religion and politics, you get politics.This.
Since the advent of the Moral Majority, Christians have been demonized and marginalized by the Democrats and their MSM allies, because they were perceived as Republican assets.
Now it's difficult to speak about God's message because so many people can't look past the political label.
Exaggeration is characteristic of caricature. That you don’t have influence over millions is precisely my point.
You haven’t done your homework, Sir. You are the one at disadvantage here.
Well, the context of the part of the article you cite was this pastor talking about Christian lobbyists in D.C.
And while you might think -- because of the darkness in D.C. (what this pastor was also discussing) -- that these Christian lobbyists would be right where they are needed because of the deep need for the Gospel in D.C....instead, this pastor claims that when politics becomes the ultimate focus by these Christian lobbyists, the Gospel gets either trumped -- or aborted.
And this last election especially proved that...
Across the board, ALL of the Christian "players" -- from Gary Bauer to FRC to the pro-life groups to every other Christian org in D.C...they all became beholden to attempting to gain their D.C. "place at the political table"...
Whatever they said about Obama was on the mark -- and kudos for them; but whatever they said about Romney was usually incomplete -- and usually was a half-truth...they deliberately ignored (tabled) Romney's RINOism...his pro-abortion statements/track record; RomneyCare; his belief that he was a "god in embryo"; and the reality that his $millions given to the Mormon church only has reinforced an organization that has openly -- and DAILY -- attacked the worldwide Christian church.
So politics trumped truth-telling...they couldn't be bothered to disclose the "good" and the "bad" about Romney; such hesitation and qualifications in LobbyistLand is unheard of...
So they suppressed the full truth about Romney; and attempted to carefully slice-and-dice navigate around who he was, what he stood for -- and failed to stand for -- and hence, there goes some of their credibility.
Now mind you, Gary Bauer, the pro-life groups, FRC, and the others have done marvelous things thru the years. They've stood tall in a tough place to be. They've been a tremendous asset to the Christian community -- and I think they still can be. But if they don't repent for "going RINO" on us in the interest of relativistic politics, then expect more of the same in the future.
“The article went on to say, and I highlighted it in my first post: Both Mitt Romney and Barack Obama profess to be Christians. Both make this claim, but neither are biblical Christians. “
At least it is clear that Romney is a Mormon. Nobody is quite sure what the heck Obama is.
“First, Washington D. C. is the new Rome.”
Actually, it could be the Babylon referred to in devastating terms in the book of Revelation.
The author doesn’t explain how Barry is a religious pluralist nor give the definition.
The anti christ...
Let me amend that: He doesn’t get into the specifics of why he believes Barry is a religious pluralist.
Pres. Obama is not going to provide any religious or spiritual leadership for our nation.
fine by me if he doesn’t provide any spiritual direction.
I prefer my leader to be what they are, practice what they and not tell the rest of us what we, collectively, are not.
1 Peter 4:12-19
Suffering for Being a Christian
12 Dear friends, do not be surprised at the fiery ordeal that has come on you to test you, as though something strange were happening to you. 13 But rejoice inasmuch as you participate in the sufferings of Christ, so that you may be overjoyed when his glory is revealed. 14 If you are insulted because of the name of Christ, you are blessed, for the Spirit of glory and of God rests on you. 15 If you suffer, it should not be as a murderer or thief or any other kind of criminal, or even as a meddler. 16 However, if you suffer as a Christian, do not be ashamed, but praise God that you bear that name. 17 For it is time for judgment to begin with Gods household; and if it begins with us, what will the outcome be for those who do not obey the gospel of God? 18 And,
If it is hard for the righteous to be saved,
what will become of the ungodly and the sinner?[a]
19 So then, those who suffer according to Gods will should commit themselves to their faithful Creator and continue to do good.
He is more of an equivocator than whatever he professes to be, couching his answers or statements of what he believes himself to be in confusing language.
Oh? So then you are absurd...
save the nation from electing a Mormon president
Thats a bigoted view...
wanted a Mormon president eh ???
Well if that is so important to you whats wrong with the one you have ???
Youve had a Mormon president for 4 years and you arent happy with him ???
after all Obama IS a Mormon..
If you dont want him it has to be because you are anti-Mormon...
and dont blame me because hes a Mormon...
Blame the Mormons and their UNREVERSABLE pagan doctrines...
“Spiritual darkness pervades our capital.”
About a dozen years ago I visited DC. I was on a business trip elsewhere and had an afternoon before I went home. I did a whirlwind tour of everything I could. The one thing I remember most of all is the feeling of incredible, brooding evil hanging over the city. Whatever the reasons you want to speculate that is our mission field. But more so, it needs a good exorcism!
Okay. I’ll bite. (No doubt this will be entertaining.) Tell me again how Obama is a Mormon president? You have probably told me before, but these things take a while to sink in.
I know, I saw that. But that’s a statement I disagree with also. Unless one is a Biblical Christian - they aren’t a Christian. The article (not the first) uses the word ‘Christian’ as if it applies to all and it doesn’t. He says he a Christian but later on he explains it. SPEAK the truth at ALL TIME. Write the church he goes to instead of ‘he was baptized and chose Christianity as an adult’. It’s a lie from the pit. People not informed read it and stay uninformed. The writer is deliberately misleading - wonder ‘the type’ of Christian he claims to be. Then he goes on to quoting Scripture as if he is teaching us something. What a farce!
My point is, I haven’t heard Mitt or barry ashamed of where they went to church. I don’t care what romney and obama called themselves, it what this author is calling them! Why is the author being so dishonest - for what reason? To keep the sheeple ignorant or he bowed to PC? I am so out of patience for lies, and had very little to begin with.
Then the title ‘Christians under a non-Christian King’. So he made Obama a King. When does a ‘Christian’ ever teach our president is our King? Got an idea why I’m rebelling at the author of this thread. He can cram his teaching. FWIW, I did not read the whole article. I got to a point and stopped.
Absurd? In this theater, who could possibly tell?
Correction: Citizens not Christians under a non-christian