Bell is a buffoon. Even Martin Bashear tore him a new one.
So he’s got a better version that only he knows.
He’s a heretic and a false teacher.
posted on 11/18/2012 5:50:11 PM PST
(I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
posted on 11/18/2012 5:50:51 PM PST
(Build the America you want to live in at your address, and keep looking up.-Sarah Palin)
Satan is loose and increasing. Be thankful to God when you recognize, by His grace, the instruments and the works of the Enemy.
It is no longer simple politics we in America are suffering, but spiritual warfare. It is time to get ourselves ready, stay ready and be able to stand, as we set ourselves to endure.
VIVA CHRISTO REY!
posted on 11/18/2012 6:02:28 PM PST
( VIVA CHRISTO REY / Public education is the farm team for more Marxists coming.)
The face of American Christianity is in transition, and Rob Bell, with his evolving look and artistry, has opened a window on this hybrid horizon. Known to many for his Nooma films, a series of twenty-four twelve-minute sermons and his controversial 2011 book, titled Love Wins: A Book about Heaven, Hell, and the Fate of Every Person Who Ever Lived, his person and work provoke visceral reactions that range from adoration to repulsion, while raising profound questions. In 2011 he was named to the Time 100 listthe 100 most influential people in the world. That same year, Bell left Mars Hill, the megachurch he founded in 1999, to pursue broader opportunities in Hollywood to, as he explained, Compellingly share the gospel.
Uh, he is drifting from orthodoxy. He may very well be teaching heresy.
Universalism, the idea that all men go to heaven, is not biblical. God's justice is erased and his mercy is denigrated by such a philosophy.
He must have a reading comprehension problem.
posted on 11/18/2012 6:03:04 PM PST
("Behold, I am against you, O arrogant one," Jeremiah 50:31)
Is Bells work and person catalyzing a new kind of American Christianity?
Bell, McLaren and the rest of the self-named "Emergents" are to post-modernism, what liberal mainline Christianity is to modernism--accommodation and compromise to contemporary people's secular beliefs, in an effort to reach them.
Problem is, if you're not certain what the Gospel really is, you'll accommodate and compromise on that to make it more palatable. Then you end up with Churches made up of folks not really surrendered to Christ and His Word--led by men (and women) not really surrendered to Christ and His Word.
Such fellowships may be big...but, "Ichabod."
posted on 11/18/2012 6:05:04 PM PST
(because the real world is not digital...)
In the Gospels, Christ speaks more often of Hell than He does of Heaven. Christ is warning mankind of its fate without Him.
posted on 11/18/2012 6:18:24 PM PST
I suspect that Ted Kennedy was a trailblazer in living,and preaching,this “new” American “Christianity”.
posted on 11/18/2012 6:23:25 PM PST
by Gay State Conservative
(Benghazi: What Did Baraq Know And When Did He Know It?)
"exclusivistic" Well, that's a new one. Seems time that we hear "complaineristic," for someone whose life revolves around complaining.
Not likely to happen, though. The system of modern government was set up to be complaint-driven, so the most obvious way to grow it is to come up with more complaints and complainers.
The face of American Christianity is in transition
Do people say this when they don't have anything to say? The face of Am. Christianity is always changing.
Much of this piece seems like, honestly, blather.
As a pastor and an artist, Bell exhibits the
irrepressible irresponsible spirit of the American religious entrepreneur,
And, for people's edification through amusment, a parody of a Rob Bell video: Robbed Hell. It's really quite good. Enjoy.
"And the good news is, no one hast to know about the zit."
posted on 11/18/2012 7:00:15 PM PST
by Lee N. Field
("Eschatology preceeds soteriology" --G. Vos, Pauline Eschatology, 1930)
You don't have to believe in Hell to go there.
posted on 11/18/2012 7:04:29 PM PST
(Hey Obama! It's all your fault now, you own it.)
Church, inclusive of sin, is much more interesting for “young people” raised in amoral public schools pushing homosexuality, abortion, feminism, divorce and sluthood and fed a steady diet of materialism’s gangsta rap, occultism and reality tee vee.
It would be wise for Evangelicals to turn from materialism (wracking up building debt and big pay for ministers) and focus on doing what Jesus told Christians to do. No one who belongs to a Christian church should feel alone in life while surrounded by brothers and sisters who know and love them.
For example, there should be talk about problems and wise advice, support and healing for confused minds and broken hearts. Charity, in word and deed, begins at home in the congregation and moves out from there within the members. Charity does not begin in the local, godless humanist feeding center for socialist browny points.
Real Christians are going to be hated and ghettoized as the dummies become more and more intolerant of Christian faith, morality and wisdom. They are going to demand you sin with them and deny Christ in order to work or operate in their society. This is the real problem that young Christians face. They stick out like a light in the darkness and the darkness is tolerant of light.
Young Christians are outcasts in the public culture and institutions. If an Evangelical avoids the humanists in early education, they will catch up on your child at college or the workplace making him feel like a foreigner in his own country. If they don’t get them in the public schools, they will get to them in video games, movies, song and dance. Liberals are into TOTAL darkness for any aspect of society they control.
I've never heard of this Rob Bell, and of all the types of christianity that are taught 'Universalism' is most definitely in the top 5 of "christian" scourges that corrupt the weak minded.
Mixing and matching doctrines from different times and versions of "christianity" breeds pure ignorance.
Neither a Mount Olympus/Asgard "heaven" exist nor does a Hades/Inferno "hell". The fact will always be that those concepts are not "judeo-christian" in origin and do not nor ever have originated in the "Old Testament" nor the "New Testament.
Neither Sheol nor Gehenna are "hell" and outside of mystical pagan versions of Judaism have they ever equaled "hell".
Both false concepts were introduced at least a 100 years after the death of Jesus. The Latin Vulgate and the Original King James translations were the most corrupted translations of G-d's Word ever put to pen and paper or printing press. Absolute travesties.
The fact that the corrupt doctrines of "heaven and hell" are not biblical, and were never taught by G-d, His prophets, nor Jesus, doesn't mean salvation is "universal"....again that too is ignorant. That nonsense goes right along with the stupid phrase "G-d hates the sin, but loves the sinner". What an absolute corruption of such simple teachings from G-d and Jesus.
Besides the Hebrew Tanakh there are many bibles that don't use the mythological iconography as well:
Hansons New Covenant, Youngs Literal Translation, Twentieth Century New Testament, Rotherhams Emphasized Bible, Weymouths New Testament, Jewish Publication Society Bible OT, Emphatic Diaglott Greek /English Int., Tanakh/The Complete Jewish Bible to name a few.
She'ol, The Pit, The Abyss, Gehenna, these are not "hebrew terms" for hell, they are names and titles that have specific meaning and have nothing to do with a mythological "hades-realm full of fire".
Reading Tanakh & Revelation reveals that upon the final resurrection at the End-of-the Age, His(G-d's) Wrath will be like a Refiner's Fire sweeping away Death, The Adversary, and all the Wicked forever. They don't go to a mythological hades-realm full of fire, they get burnt out of existence altogether....by G-d's fiery wrath.
You either end up in G-d's Restored Kingdom (that would be restored on earth) or you get blotted out of existence altogether. People don't have separate magical souls that go to a magical Mount Olympus in the sky. Your breath is owned by G-d it goes back to Him and you turn back to the dust of the earth (you sleep with everyone else). At the End-of-the-Age when the Restoration happens you get your body and breath back.
Besides the gross mistranslation and corruptions of "heaven and hell" the mistranslation and corruptions of the biblical concepts of G-d's finite Ages (End-of-the-Age, Age-to-come, and Age-lasting) their corruptions into substituting "FOREVER" and "ETERNAL" and "EVERLASTING" instead of the actual concepts of G-d's Ages is downright idiotic and blasphemous.
Egads, no matter what flavor of "christianity" it is, each and every one is corrupted.
posted on 11/18/2012 10:36:22 PM PST
This is a good example of why Jesus said that i preach freely but the hirelings would flee when the wolf comes.
Take the money out of preaching and it will be amazing how many preachers will no longer be preaching.
It may also be amazing who you will see doing the preaching for nothing.
Take the money and or monetary benefits out of preaching and you will know who the true servants of God really are.
He is a wolf leading a pack of goats... the sheep leave
posted on 11/19/2012 8:50:54 AM PST
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