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In Election 2012's Aftermath, Biblical Christians Will Become Increasingly Marginalized
Forbes ^ | 11/20/2012 | Bill Flax

Posted on 11/20/2012 6:18:36 PM PST by billflax

In the election’s aftermath, the culture war looks like a rout. Few ever relished this fight; most preferred simply to be left alone. We aren’t community organizers. Sadly, neutrality was not realistic. No, being Switzerland was never an option. By not defending America’s heritage of limited government, free markets and biblical morality, we’re being overrun a la Belgium.

Powerful forces array. Christians consider this battle in spiritual terms. Conservatives sense a political donnybrook. Others deplore eroding standards of conduct and lost liberty. The Left vies for our children’s hearts, souls and minds. While no majority, progressives dominate the dissemination of thought. The mainstream media, entertainment industries, education system and much of government skew very far left.

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TOPICS: Activism; Current Events; Moral Issues; Religion & Culture; Religion & Politics; Theology
KEYWORDS: abortion; biblicalchristianity; democrats; elections; gopcivilwar; homosexualagenda; mediabias; moralabsolutes; prolife
Rest easy, salvation does not come via government.
1 posted on 11/20/2012 6:18:41 PM PST by billflax
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To: billflax

I also hear that supposedly before Jesus Comes, we’ll be in a state of global anarchy. Real question is, when governments go corrupt, and AWOL, much less make religion the uncool thing to be, who will stay, and who will decide to go with the “cool” crowd? And who can we save when the Earthly politicians ditch their useful idiots?


2 posted on 11/20/2012 6:21:41 PM PST by Morpheus2009
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To: billflax
This is a good article also, from a Catholic perspective. In fact, the comments following are better yet.
3 posted on 11/20/2012 6:31:26 PM PST by steve86 (Acerbic by Nature, not Nurture™)
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To: billflax
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Karl Rove and President Bush-41 raise a champagne toast in celebration ...


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4 posted on 11/20/2012 6:31:31 PM PST by Patton@Bastogne (Newt Gingrich and Sarah Palin will DEFEAT the Obama-Romney Socialist Gay-Marriage Axis of Evil)
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To: Morpheus2009

>>Real question is, when governments go corrupt, and AWOL, much less make religion the uncool thing to be, who will stay, and who will decide to go with the “cool” crowd? And who can we save when the Earthly politicians ditch their useful idiots?

Jesus will know those who stay with Him, regardless of whatever persecutions may come. He won’t recognize those who went with the “cool” crowd when they stand before the Father. It is all as it is supposed to be. This is the culmination of 6000 years of training that began in the Garden.

We can’t save anyone. All we can do is deliver the Good News and pray that they listen. And we also pray that we have the strength to get through what is coming.


5 posted on 11/20/2012 6:31:38 PM PST by Bryanw92 (Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: daniel1212; billflax

Ravi Zacharias is one of my favorite preachers, and he’s absolutely right. (I’m Catholic, btw, but what he and Pope Benedict are saying is practically identical.)

I think probably the most seriously negative impact of the 2012 elections is that now the “liberal Christians” feel empowered, and they’re going to try to drive us out.


7 posted on 11/20/2012 6:49:47 PM PST by livius
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To: billflax

Bible-believing Christians will have children and bring them up in “the nurture and admonition of the Lord.” The ungodly champion the killing of their unborn.

Psalm 1 will always be true.


8 posted on 11/20/2012 6:59:32 PM PST by txrefugee
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To: billflax

Biblical Christians ARE NOT OF THIS WORLD to start with. We’re just passing through. The train will be here soon to pick us up.


9 posted on 11/20/2012 7:02:30 PM PST by fish hawk
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To: fish hawk
From a Forbes reader: I would also point out that faith is by definition the surrender of reason; the one thing that most clearly separates humans from other animals! The author would have us live in a morally depraved country where anything goes so long as a religious authority can justify it using some ancient text. No thank you. We don’t need an American Taliban!

Don't let the door hit you etc.

10 posted on 11/20/2012 7:15:16 PM PST by Misterioso ("Evil requires the sanction of the victim." -- Ayn Rand)
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To: billflax

A lot of credibility was lost supporting a pro-abortion, pro-homosexual, cult leading Mormon Bishop from Massachusetts, who believes that he is in the process of becoming a God, who actually campaigned claiming that Reagan was “adamantly pro-choice”, and who recently rejected the party platform on abortion and on homosexual Scout leaders, and homosexualizing the military.

I don’t know that it can be recovered anytime soon.


11 posted on 11/20/2012 7:26:01 PM PST by ansel12 (The only Senate seat GOP pick up was the Palin endorsed Deb Fischer’s successful run in Nebraska)
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To: billflax
In Election 2012's Aftermath, Biblical Christians Will Become Increasingly Marginalized

"... by the Republican Party."

12 posted on 11/20/2012 7:33:30 PM PST by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle ("If you're not fiscally AND socially conservative, you're not conservative!" - Jim Robinson, 9-1-10)
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To: Misterioso
I would also point out that faith is by definition the surrender of reason...

Absolutely not true. Faith, by definition, is believing in something without absolute proof, or having reasonable assurance that something is true. There are a lot of things in life that we believe in without absolute proof. For example, most of us believe that the earth rotates on an imaginary axis to give the effect of the sun rotating around the earth. We believe this to be true because many authority figures in our lives have faith that it is true and have passed that faith (reasonable assurance) on to us. How many of us have seen an electron? None, but we still believe in electricity and use it to enhance our lives greatly.

13 posted on 11/20/2012 9:31:21 PM PST by randog (Tap into America!)
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To: billflax

Exactly and no they won’t


14 posted on 11/20/2012 9:54:21 PM PST by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: billflax

Oddly, or perhaps not, Christianity grows most when it is in a minority without government support. Look at Rome before Constatine, or modern day China. Not long ago some American pastors met with some Chinese underground pastors and said they would help them with Bibles, ministers, and money for buildings, The pastors said they didn’t want the help, that Christianity was exploding because people had to practice it in their homes, share Bibles, and become their own ministers.


15 posted on 11/21/2012 4:24:56 AM PST by LS ('Castles made of sand, fall in the sea . . . eventually.' Hendrix)
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To: Misterioso

Wow ... that comment is insane on several levels ... faith is by definition the surrender of reason ??? What ?!?


16 posted on 11/21/2012 5:31:03 AM PST by Campion ("Social justice" begins in the womb)
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To: billflax

Ping for later


17 posted on 11/21/2012 8:05:40 AM PST by Alex Murphy ("If you are not firm in faith, you will not be firm at all" - Isaiah 7:9)
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To: billflax

“Rest easy, salvation does not come via government.”

Amen brother. Christians need to get used to the idea of practicing their beliefs in secret. It won’t be long before Christianity is deemed too (fill in the adjective) for modern day culture and is BANNED.


18 posted on 11/21/2012 12:07:10 PM PST by libdestroyer
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To: Misterioso
From a Forbes reader:
I would also point out that faith is by definition the surrender of reason; the one thing that most clearly separates humans from other animals!
Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. - Saint Paul, Letter to the Hebrews 11:1 (King James Version)

The author would have us live in a morally depraved country where anything goes so long as a religious authority can justify it using some ancient text. No thank you. We don’t need an American Taliban!
Seen one “ancient text” you’ve seen them all, eh? They all say the same things? That is a prejudice, defined as “a vagrant thought with no visible means of support.”

"By their fruits ye shall know them” is biblical - but is it an abandonment of reason? To the contrary, it is precisely logical. If I find a pear growing on a tree, it’s not going to matter how many times you insist it’s an oak tree - the thing speaks for itself. Likewise Christianity and the American polity - this polity is the fruit of Christianity, not of Islam. Islam has been the established religion in many countries, and it has never produced anything approximating a democratic republic except for Turkey, which is reverting to type even now. It is an absolute slander of Christianity to associate it with the Taliban. In fact, I would go so far as to suggest that belief in any serious similarity between the two represents an abandonment of reason.

Anyone who would believe that would also probably believe that the Israelis had initiated the war with Gaza, and was committing war crimes by attacking civilians. Well, guess what! The Geneva Conventions are a prohibition of the type of behavior - using human shields, for example (which is precisely the intent of emplacing military rockets cheek-by-jowl with civilians) which Israel’s enemies routinely engage in in the hope that Israeli counter fire against said batteries will kill civilians.


19 posted on 11/21/2012 1:19:06 PM PST by conservatism_IS_compassion (The idea around which “liberalism" coheres is that NOTHING actually matters except PR.)
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To: billflax
They will become marginalized only if they don't heed. 2 Chronicles 7:14.

14 if my people, who are called by my name, will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then will I hear from heaven and will forgive their sin and will heal their land.

20 posted on 11/22/2012 8:43:20 AM PST by stars & stripes forever (Blessed is the nation whose God is the Lord!)
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To: stars & stripes forever

Thanks, but honestly, the more appropiate verses are Rev 3:14ff.

America isn’t suffering from famine, but apathy.


21 posted on 11/24/2012 12:33:59 PM PST by billflax (Fighting the good fight.)
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To: txrefugee

That’s why we homeschool. Thanks


22 posted on 11/24/2012 12:35:18 PM PST by billflax (Fighting the good fight.)
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To: fish hawk

Amen


23 posted on 11/24/2012 12:36:03 PM PST by billflax (Fighting the good fight.)
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To: ansel12

If Christians only vote for Christians we have very few choices. You can hold to that, which is fine, but keep in mind, we weren’t electing a religious leader, but an executive for a secular government.

Having said that, Romney absolutely took the faithful for granted and it cost him squat. Obama scorned us and still won.

The good news is our salvation isn’t in Washington.


24 posted on 11/24/2012 12:39:18 PM PST by billflax (Fighting the good fight.)
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To: LS

Persecution has a purifying effect, no doubt.


25 posted on 11/24/2012 12:40:39 PM PST by billflax (Fighting the good fight.)
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To: billflax

A lot of credibility was lost supporting a pro-abortion, pro-homosexual, cult leading Mormon Bishop from Massachusetts, who believes that he is in the process of becoming a God, who actually campaigned claiming that Reagan was “adamantly pro-choice”, and who recently rejected the party platform on abortion, and on homosexual Scout leaders, and homosexualizing the military.

It is still mind boggling how such a bizarre creature became the Republican Presidential candidate.

This is one for the history books.

I hope he and his didn’t break the party for ever.


26 posted on 11/24/2012 12:54:26 PM PST by ansel12 (The only Senate seat GOP pick up was the Palin endorsed Deb Fischer’s successful run in Nebraska)
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To: Morpheus2009
I also hear that supposedly before Jesus Comes, we’ll be in a state of global anarchy.

We are currently in a state of 'apostasy'. The Scriptures state that such will be the case just before He returns.

27 posted on 11/24/2012 1:03:22 PM PST by who knows what evil? (G-d saved more animals than people on the ark...www.siameserescue.org.)
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To: billflax

Revelation 3:14 - 22...you are absolutely correct. The churches are apostate...lukewarm at best.


28 posted on 11/24/2012 1:08:13 PM PST by who knows what evil? (G-d saved more animals than people on the ark...www.siameserescue.org.)
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To: ansel12

Yep


29 posted on 11/24/2012 1:27:13 PM PST by billflax (Fighting the good fight.)
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To: libdestroyer

You know, that’s why I write in defense of freedom. Yes, free markets offer unsurpassed prosperity. Yes, there are many other benefits, but my biggest concern is passing on my beliefs to my children.


30 posted on 11/24/2012 1:29:37 PM PST by billflax (Fighting the good fight.)
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To: billflax

Thanks for this awesome post! Post of the YEAR!

Many of us twisted in our conscience about voting at all for the top contenders, relented out of desperation. If voting for Romney was a test, by God, then even Christians, in their desperation, failed it. We did not trust God, but relied on the facts on the ground more. Two non- Christians up for the office of the president and we voted for the evil deeds of both by voting for one.

They were practically clones. Romney rolled the same number on Massachusetts first, and Obama followed suit on the nation. I regret my vote for Romney and will never vote like that again.

We don’t know what miracle God may have wrought for our sake had we all trusted Him rather than the dire path of the ballot box, caught up in the predicament of our time. I have learned a lot.


31 posted on 12/17/2012 1:24:32 PM PST by RitaOK ( VIVA CHRISTO REY / Public education is the farm team for more Marxists coming.)
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