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"Give Me This Mountain": Finding Hidden Meaning in Scripture [New Church, Open]
Spirit and Life Bible Study ^ | Wed Nov 21, 2012 | Rev Dr Johnathon Rose

Posted on 11/22/2012 11:55:39 AM PST by DaveMSmith

Many people read the Bible literally and feel very strongly that there's nothing more to it than that, and yet Jesus Himself says the whole Old Testament is about Him. How could that be?!? We ponder this through a bizarre story in which Caleb pleads with Joshua to be given a mountain inhabited by enemy giants in fortified cities (Joshua 14).

Also see: Spirit And Life Bible Study on Facebook


TOPICS: History; Judaism; Ministry/Outreach; Religion & Culture; Theology
KEYWORDS: cults; liberal; newchurch; swedenborg
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Readings:

Gen 35:27
Num 13,14,26,32
Josh 14, 15, 20, 21
Judg 1
1Sam 25

Luke 1, 24

The Spiritual Nature of Mountains
Psalm 72, 114
Isiah 34,54,55
Ezek 6
Hab 3
Zach 14

Spoiler: Swedenborg writes that mountain in the Word signifies Love of God or in its opposite sense, Love of self. Reading His Word from love....

80 minute video. Enjoy

1 posted on 11/22/2012 11:55:47 AM PST by DaveMSmith
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To: DaveMSmith

WARNING: THIS POST FLAGGED AS CULTIC SPAM


2 posted on 11/22/2012 12:21:10 PM PST by aMorePerfectUnion (Gone rogue, gone Galt, gone international. Gone.)
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

I’m very up front about my beliefs. You haven’t created a profile page to let me know where you are coming from. Look at the number of threads I have started since I joined - hardly spam.


3 posted on 11/22/2012 12:31:15 PM PST by DaveMSmith (Evil Comes from Falsity, So Share the Truth)
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

....”New Church?”.......


4 posted on 11/22/2012 12:32:13 PM PST by CatherineofAragon (The idiocracy has come home to roost. God help us.)
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To: DaveMSmith

Any chance you’re related to Joseph Smith?


5 posted on 11/22/2012 12:42:02 PM PST by bramps (Sarah Palin got more votes in 2008 than Romney did in 2012)
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To: bramps

Not that I am aware of.


6 posted on 11/22/2012 12:45:46 PM PST by DaveMSmith (Evil Comes from Falsity, So Share the Truth)
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To: CatherineofAragon

The legal name for our branch is The General Church of The New Jerusalem


7 posted on 11/22/2012 12:47:26 PM PST by DaveMSmith (Evil Comes from Falsity, So Share the Truth)
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To: DaveMSmith; Religion Moderator; Jim Robinson; Colofornian; Elsie; svcw; Zakeet; Tennessee Nana; ...
For my part, I am happy to see you proselytize your belief in the Religion Forum (if the owner and RM agree)...however if you claim that it is a Christian denomination, you WILL be challenged.

And as I have mentioned to you before, if you wish to have your threads unchallenged, they should be titled "Devotional" or "Caucus". Remember, when posting under those titles, challenging other beliefs, in the posted article, video or posts can cause the thread to become an "open" thread and open to challenge.

8 posted on 11/22/2012 12:58:11 PM PST by greyfoxx39 (We told you Mitt couldn't win.)
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To: DaveMSmith
I did a quick bit of googling; whatever name you give it, it's blasphemy and heresy.

http://www.newchurch.org/

From the article:

"The New Church teaches that God came to earth as Jesus Christ. Christianity was established in response to the Savior's Coming. At the time of Jesus' birth, hell had gained such power over earth that the prevailing mindset was one of evil. Humanity was in great danger. Through His life and death on earth, Jesus restored the freedom to choose between good and evil, thus saving the human race. The church grew but, with time, it began to fall away from what it was originally intended to be. Once again, the people of earth were prey to spiritual darkness."

In order to bring the light of truth to the world, God came again. However, this time He did not appear in human form. He came as a new body of revelation given to us through the works of Emanuel Swedenborg, an eighteenth century scientist and theologian. A New Christianity was established in response to these truths, helping to spread God's teachings to people on earth. The New Church is one of many organizations dedicated to Swedenborg Theology.".

No, thanks.

9 posted on 11/22/2012 12:59:21 PM PST by CatherineofAragon (The idiocracy has come home to roost. God help us.)
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To: DaveMSmith

Spoiler: Swedenborg claimed occultic communications with “god”

Reject Jesus as God

Swedenborg asserted, Jesus Christ’s Second Coming took place in the eighteenth century


10 posted on 11/22/2012 1:28:10 PM PST by Godzilla (3/7/77)
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To: Godzilla

One can allegorize the bible into saying whatever they want it to say.


11 posted on 11/22/2012 1:42:12 PM PST by circlecity
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To: circlecity

they only accept a fraction of the books of the bible too boot.


12 posted on 11/22/2012 1:58:18 PM PST by Godzilla (3/7/77)
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To: DaveMSmith

I’m a Christian. You don’t need a profile entry. Look at my posts.


13 posted on 11/22/2012 2:54:13 PM PST by aMorePerfectUnion (Gone rogue, gone Galt, gone international. Gone.)
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To: DaveMSmith; greyfoxx39; Colofornian; Saundra Duffy; BlueMoose
Hey Dave, did you notice that your LDS sect mormon "friends" abandoned you after you exposed the well documented Swedenborgian origins of mormonism ? You stood up for them for a week or two as I recall.

I told you they would.

14 posted on 11/22/2012 3:11:24 PM PST by SENTINEL (I lie, I cheat, I steal, I communize, I sacrifice unborn babies, I'm Harry Reid and I'm a mormon)
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To: DaveMSmith; greyfoxx39; Colofornian; Saundra Duffy; BlueMoose
Hey Dave, did you notice that your LDS sect mormon "friends" abandoned you after you exposed the well documented Swedenborgian origins of mormonism ? You stood up for them for a week or two as I recall.

I told you they would.

15 posted on 11/22/2012 3:11:24 PM PST by SENTINEL (I lie, I cheat, I steal, I communize, I sacrifice unborn babies, I'm Harry Reid and I'm a mormon)
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To: DaveMSmith
How could that be?!?

Phrenology...


Worry about the stuff inplain veiw, before EVER thinking about anything 'hidden'!



NIV Matthew 2:5
"In Bethlehem in Judea," they replied, "for this is what the prophet has written:

NIV Matthew 4:1-11
1. Then Jesus was led by the Spirit into the desert to be tempted by the devil.
2. After fasting forty days and forty nights, he was hungry.
3. The tempter came to him and said, "If you are the Son of God, tell these stones to become bread."
4. Jesus answered, "It is written: `Man does not live on bread alone, but on every word that comes from the mouth of God.' "
5. Then the devil took him to the holy city and had him stand on the highest point of the temple.
6. "If you are the Son of God," he said, "throw yourself down. For it is written: "`He will command his angels concerning you, and they will lift you up in their hands, so that you will not strike your foot against a stone.' "
7. Jesus answered him, "It is also written: `Do not put the Lord your God to the test.' "
8. Again, the devil took him to a very high mountain and showed him all the kingdoms of the world and their splendor.
9. "All this I will give you," he said, "if you will bow down and worship me."
10. Jesus said to him, "Away from me, Satan! For it is written: `Worship the Lord your God, and serve him only.' "
11. Then the devil left him, and angels came and attended him.

NIV Matthew 11:10
This is the one about whom it is written: "`I will send my messenger ahead of you, who will prepare your way before you.'

NIV Matthew 21:13
"It is written," he said to them, "`My house will be called a house of prayer,' but you are making it a `den of robbers.' "

NIV Matthew 26:24
The Son of Man will go just as it is written about him.

NIV Matthew 26:31
Then Jesus told them, "This very night you will all fall away on account of me, for it is written: "`I will strike the shepherd, and the sheep of the flock will be scattered.'

NIV Mark 7:6-7
6. He replied, "Isaiah was right when he prophesied about you hypocrites; as it is written: "`These people honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me.
7. They worship me in vain; their teachings are but rules taught by men.'

NIV Mark 9:11-13
11. And they asked him, "Why do the teachers of the law say that Elijah must come first?"
12. Jesus replied, "To be sure, Elijah does come first, and restores all things. Why then is it written that the Son of Man must suffer much and be rejected?
13. But I tell you, Elijah has come, and they have done to him everything they wished, just as it is written about him."

NIV Mark 11:17
And as he taught them, he said, "Is it not written: "`My house will be called a house of prayer for all nations' ? But you have made it `a den of robbers.' "

NIV Mark 14:27
"You will all fall away," Jesus told them, "for it is written: "`I will strike the shepherd, and the sheep will be scattered.'

NIV Luke 1:1-4
1. Many have undertaken to draw up an account of the things that have been fulfilled among us,
2. just as they were handed down to us by those who from the first were eyewitnesses and servants of the word.
3. Therefore, since I myself have carefully investigated everything from the beginning, it seemed good also to me to write an orderly account for you, most excellent Theophilus,
4. so that you may know the certainty of the things you have been taught.

NIV Luke 4:17-19
17. The scroll of the prophet Isaiah was handed to him. Unrolling it, he found the place where it is written:
18. "The Spirit of the Lord is on me, because he has anointed me to preach good news to the poor. He has sent me to proclaim freedom for the prisoners and recovery of sight for the blind, to release the oppressed,
19. to proclaim the year of the Lord's favor."

NIV Luke 7:27
This is the one about whom it is written: "`I will send my messenger ahead of you, who will prepare your way before you.'

NIV Luke 10:26
"What is written in the Law?" he replied. "How do you read it?"

NIV Luke 18:31-33
31. Jesus took the Twelve aside and told them, "We are going up to Jerusalem, and everything that is written by the prophets about the Son of Man will be fulfilled.
32. He will be handed over to the Gentiles. They will mock him, insult him, spit on him, flog him and kill him.
33. On the third day he will rise again."

NIV Luke 20:17-18
17. Jesus looked directly at them and asked, "Then what is the meaning of that which is written: "`The stone the builders rejected has become the capstone ' ?
18. Everyone who falls on that stone will be broken to pieces, but he on whom it falls will be crushed."

NIV Luke 21:22
For this is the time of punishment in fulfillment of all that has been written.

NIV Luke 22:37
It is written: `And he was numbered with the transgressors' ; and I tell you that this must be fulfilled in me. Yes, what is written about me is reaching its fulfillment."

NIV Luke 24:44-47
44. He said to them, "This is what I told you while I was still with you: Everything must be fulfilled that is written about me in the Law of Moses, the Prophets and the Psalms."
45. Then he opened their minds so they could understand the Scriptures.
46. He told them, "This is what is written: The Christ will suffer and rise from the dead on the third day,
47. and repentance and forgiveness of sins will be preached in his name to all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.

NIV John 2:17
His disciples remembered that it is written: "Zeal for your house will consume me."
 
NIV John 6:31
Our forefathers ate the manna in the desert; as it is written: `He gave them bread from heaven to eat.' "

NIV John 6:45
It is written in the Prophets: `They will all be taught by God.' Everyone who listens to the Father and learns from him comes to me.

NIV John 12:14-16
14. Jesus found a young donkey and sat upon it, as it is written,
15. "Do not be afraid, O Daughter of Zion; see, your king is coming, seated on a donkey's colt."
16. At first his disciples did not understand all this. Only after Jesus was glorified did they realize that these things had been written about him and that they had done these things to him.

NIV John 15:25
But this is to fulfill what is written in their Law: `They hated me without reason.'

NIV John 20:30-31
30. Jesus did many other miraculous signs in the presence of his disciples, which are not recorded in this book.
31. But these are written that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that by believing you may have life in his name.

NIV Acts 1:20
"For," said Peter, "it is written in the book of Psalms, "`May his place be deserted; let there be no one to dwell in it,' and, "`May another take his place of leadership.'

NIV Acts 7:42
But God turned away and gave them over to the worship of the heavenly bodies. This agrees with what is written in the book of the prophets: "`Did you bring me sacrifices and offerings forty years in the desert, O house of Israel?

NIV Acts 13:29
When they had carried out all that was written about him, they took him down from the tree and laid him in a tomb.

NIV Acts 13:32-33
32. "We tell you the good news: What God promised our fathers
33. he has fulfilled for us, their children, by raising up Jesus. As it is written in the second Psalm: "`You are my Son; today I have become your Father. '

NIV Acts 15:15-18
15. The words of the prophets are in agreement with this, as it is written:
16. "`After this I will return and rebuild David's fallen tent. Its ruins I will rebuild, and I will restore it,
17. that the remnant of men may seek the Lord, and all the Gentiles who bear my name, says the Lord, who does these things'
18. that have been known for ages.

NIV Acts 23:5
Paul replied, "Brothers, I did not realize that he was the high priest; for it is written: `Do not speak evil about the ruler of your people.' "

NIV Acts 24:14
However, I admit that I worship the God of our fathers as a follower of the Way, which they call a sect. I believe everything that agrees with the Law and that is written in the Prophets,
and I have the same hope in God as these men, that there will be a resurrection of both the righteous and the wicked.

NIV Romans 1:17
For in the gospel a righteousness from God is revealed, a righteousness that is by faith from first to last, just as it is written: "The righteous will live by faith."

NIV Romans 2:24
As it is written: "God's name is blasphemed among the Gentiles because of you."

NIV Romans 3:4
Not at all! Let God be true, and every man a liar. As it is written: "So that you may be proved right when you speak and prevail when you judge."

NIV Romans 3:10-12
10. As it is written: "There is no one righteous, not even one;
11. there is no one who understands, no one who seeks God.
12. All have turned away, they have together become worthless; there is no one who does good, not even one."

NIV Romans 4:17
As it is written: "I have made you a father of many nations." He is our father in the sight of God, in whom he believed--the God who gives life to the dead and calls things that are not as though they were.

NIV Romans 4:23-24
23. The words "it was credited to him" were written not for him alone,
24. but also for us, to whom God will credit righteousness--for us who believe in him who raised Jesus our Lord from the dead.

NIV Romans 8:36
As it is written: "For your sake we face death all day long; we are considered as sheep to be slaughtered."

NIV Romans 9:13
Just as it is written: "Jacob I loved, but Esau I hated."

NIV Romans 9:33
As it is written: "See, I lay in Zion a stone that causes men to stumble and a rock that makes them fall, and the one who trusts in him will never be put to shame."

NIV Romans 10:15
And how can they preach unless they are sent? As it is written, "How beautiful are the feet of those who bring good news!"

NIV Romans 11:7-10
7. What then? What Israel sought so earnestly it did not obtain, but the elect did. The others were hardened,
8. as it is written: "God gave them a spirit of stupor, eyes so that they could not see and ears so that they could not hear, to this very day."
9. And David says: "May their table become a snare and a trap, a stumbling block and a retribution for them.
10. May their eyes be darkened so they cannot see, and their backs be bent forever."

NIV Romans 11:26-27
26. And so all Israel will be saved, as it is written: "The deliverer will come from Zion; he will turn godlessness away from Jacob.
27. And this is my covenant with them when I take away their sins."

NIV Romans 12:19
Do not take revenge, my friends, but leave room for God's wrath, for it is written: "It is mine to avenge; I will repay," says the Lord.

NIV Romans 14:11
It is written: "`As surely as I live,' says the Lord, `every knee will bow before me; every tongue will confess to God.'"

NIV Romans 15:3-4
3. For even Christ did not please himself but, as it is written: "The insults of those who insult you have fallen on me."
4. For everything that was written in the past was written to teach us, so that through endurance and the encouragement of the Scriptures we might have hope.

NIV Romans 15:7-12
7. Accept one another, then, just as Christ accepted you, in order to bring praise to God.
8. For I tell you that Christ has become a servant of the Jews on behalf of God's truth, to confirm the promises made to the patriarchs
9. so that the Gentiles may glorify God for his mercy, as it is written: "Therefore I will praise you among the Gentiles; I will sing hymns to your name."
10. Again, it says, "Rejoice, O Gentiles, with his people."
11. And again, "Praise the Lord, all you Gentiles, and sing praises to him, all you peoples."
12. And again, Isaiah says, "The Root of Jesse will spring up, one who will arise to rule over the nations; the Gentiles will hope in him."

NIV Romans 15:21
Rather, as it is written: "Those who were not told about him will see, and those who have not heard will understand."

NIV 1 Corinthians 1:19
For it is written: "I will destroy the wisdom of the wise; the intelligence of the intelligent I will frustrate."

NIV 1 Corinthians 1:31
Therefore, as it is written: "Let him who boasts boast in the Lord."

NIV 1 Corinthians 2:9
However, as it is written: "No eye has seen, no ear has heard, no mind has conceived what God has prepared for those who love him" --

NIV 1 Corinthians 3:19-20
19. For the wisdom of this world is foolishness in God's sight. As it is written: "He catches the wise in their craftiness" ;
20. and again, "The Lord knows that the thoughts of the wise are futile."

NIV 1 Corinthians 4:6
Now, brothers, I have applied these things to myself and Apollos for your benefit, so that you may learn from us the meaning of the saying, "Do not go beyond what is written." Then you will not take pride in one man over against another.

NIV 1 Corinthians 9:9
For it is written in the Law of Moses: "Do not muzzle an ox while it is treading out the grain." Is it about oxen that God is concerned?

NIV 1 Corinthians 10:7
Do not be idolaters, as some of them were; as it is written: "The people sat down to eat and drink and got up to indulge in pagan revelry."

NIV 1 Corinthians 10:11
These things happened to them as examples and were written down as warnings for us, on whom the fulfillment of the ages has come.

NIV 1 Corinthians 14:21
In the Law it is written: "Through men of strange tongues and through the lips of foreigners I will speak to this people, but even then they will not listen to me," says the Lord.

NIV 1 Corinthians 15:45
So it is written: "The first man Adam became a living being" ; the last Adam, a life-giving spirit.

NIV 1 Corinthians 15:54
When the perishable has been clothed with the imperishable, and the mortal with immortality, then the saying that is written will come true: "Death has been swallowed up in victory."

NIV 2 Corinthians 1:13-14
13. For we do not write you anything you cannot read or understand. And I hope that,
14. as you have understood us in part, you will come to understand fully that you can boast of us just as we will boast of you in the day of the Lord Jesus.

NIV 2 Corinthians 4:13-14
13. it is written: "I believed; therefore I have spoken." With that same spirit of faith we also believe and therefore speak,
14. because we know that the one who raised the Lord Jesus from the dead will also raise us with Jesus and present us with you in his presence.

NIV 2 Corinthians 8:15
as it is written: "He who gathered much did not have too much, and he who gathered little did not have too little."

NIV Galatians 3:10
All who rely on observing the law are under a curse, for it is written: "Cursed is everyone who does not continue to do everything written in the Book of the Law."

NIV Galatians 3:13
Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us, for it is written: "Cursed is everyone who is hung on a tree."

NIV Galatians 4:22
For it is written that Abraham had two sons, one by the slave woman and the other by the free woman.

NIV Galatians 4:27
For it is written: "Be glad, O barren woman, who bears no children; break forth and cry aloud, you who have no labor pains; because more are the children of the desolate woman than of her who has a husband."

NIV Hebrews 10:7
Then I said, `Here I am-- it is written about me in the scroll-- I have come to do your will, O God.'"

NIV 1 Peter 1:15-16
But just as he who called you is holy, so be holy in all you do; for it is written: "Be holy, because I am holy."

NIV 2 Peter 3:16
He writes the same way in all his letters, speaking in them of these matters. His letters contain some things that are hard to understand, which ignorant and unstable people distort, as they do the other Scriptures, to their own destruction.

NIV 1 John 2:12-14
12. I write to you, dear children, because your sins have been forgiven on account of his name.
13. I write to you, fathers, because you have known him who is from the beginning. I write to you young men, because you have overcome the evil one. I write to you, dear children, because you have known the Father.
14. I write to you, fathers, because you have known him who is from the beginning. I write to you, young men, because you are strong, and the word of God lives in you, and you have overcome the evil one.

16 posted on 11/22/2012 3:20:19 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: DaveMSmith
You haven’t created a profile page to let me know where you are coming from.

Read the replies.

AMPU hides NOTHING!

17 posted on 11/22/2012 3:21:03 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: CatherineofAragon
Through His life and death on earth, Jesus restored the freedom to choose between good and evil, thus saving the human race.

BINGO!!!

MORMONism!!!

'Jesus' should have left well enough alone!

18 posted on 11/22/2012 3:23:20 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: aMorePerfectUnion
Look at my posts.

GMTA

19 posted on 11/22/2012 3:23:57 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: CatherineofAragon
The church grew but, with time, it began to fall away from what it was originally intended to be. Once again, the people of earth were prey to spiritual darkness."

Any church that preaches this (or any person that believes this) is calling Jesus Christ a liar.

"I will build my church and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it."

20 posted on 11/22/2012 3:24:15 PM PST by mtg
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To: DaveMSmith
Many people read the Bible literally

Of course people read the Bible literally. I'm sure they are holding an actual, physical book in their hands.

However, whether they interpret it literally, is another matter.

I don't know of anyone or any organization which demands a LITERAL interpretation of every word of Scripture. Most people who are literate are savvy enough to understand that parables are not meant to be taken literally, nor songs (Psalms), poetry, clear allegory or metaphor, visions seen by the prophets, etc.

The charge that Christians take every word of Scripture literally is only a smear tactic to be always used to disparage and discredit them and their message. It's an avoidance technique used by those who do not wish to be accountable to God on HIS terms but rather want to have God on THEIR terms.

It doesn't work.

21 posted on 11/22/2012 3:46:11 PM PST by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: DaveMSmith; aMorePerfectUnion
I’m very up front about my beliefs. You haven’t created a profile page to let me know where you are coming from. Look at the number of threads I have started since I joined - hardly spam.

So are we and it doesn't take a profile page to see that. Just read our posting histories.

Hebrews 9:22 Indeed, under the law almost everything is purified with blood, and without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness of sins.

Jesus came to earth to die for our sins to pay for them so that He could give us eternal life as a free gift, without having to work for it.

Jesus Christ is the only one who saves. Following Swedenborg is going to result in you finding yourself damned for eternity when you die.

It's only by committing your life to Christ that you can and will find eternal life.

Turn to HIM, the founder and perfecter of our faith....

Hebrews 12:1-2 Therefore, since we are surrounded by so great a cloud of witnesses, let us also lay aside every weight, and sin which clings so closely, and let us run with endurance the race that is set before us, looking to Jesus, the founder and perfecter of our faith, who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is seated at the right hand of the throne of God.

22 posted on 11/22/2012 4:23:15 PM PST by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: mtg

You are exactly right. All of these “restoration churches” present a Christ who is not powerful enough to prevail against the evil one, one who basically lies...


23 posted on 11/22/2012 6:37:07 PM PST by ejonesie22 (8/30/10, the day Truth won.)
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To: mtg

You are exactly right. All of these “restoration churches” present a Christ who is not powerful enough to prevail against the evil one, one who basically lies...


24 posted on 11/22/2012 6:37:07 PM PST by ejonesie22 (8/30/10, the day Truth won.)
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To: DaveMSmith

I’m always curious as to why people join non-Christian cults.

Why did you join this one?


25 posted on 11/23/2012 12:05:29 AM PST by P-Marlowe (There can be no Victory without a fight and no battle without wounds.)
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To: metmom
It doesn't work.

They THINK it does; as they walk past the graveyard; whistling...

26 posted on 11/23/2012 3:37:42 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: P-Marlowe

2 Timothy 4:3

For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine.
Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear.


27 posted on 11/23/2012 3:39:42 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: greyfoxx39; All
I believe in spiritual freedom. I certainly would not want to put a gag order by classification of these threads to stifle speech. It's on the poster who is defiling a Bible Study on a forum where posts cannot be edited or deleted. I consider these posts un-Christian and anti-social - not fit for any society.

From Swedenborg's description of the meaning of Psalm 74:
PP 324. Psalm 74 title, 1-9 (H.B. 1-9) The church with all things appertaining to it has been utterly destroyed, and its holy things profaned, they saying in their heart that religion is not anything. 3 2, 10, 11 Prayer to the Lord to bring help. 11 12-15 Before this He has overthrown the hells, 8 16, 17 and before this, being protected, He has established a church; 11 18-21 let there therefore be compassion, that the church perish not 11 22, 23 through the uprising of evil. 3

And a recent inspirational reading:
More on the Dragon & Heavenly Doctrine
SD 5428 - 5429
When the dragons
looked upon those who were in heavenly doctrine,
they fell into fearful agonies,
and were tortured and tormented; inasmuch
as they cannot endure Divine Truth.

Michael, in the Apocalypse,
(Revelation 12:7)
are those who are in heavenly doctrine:
the blood of the Lamb,
(Revelation 12:117)
by which they conquered,
is the Divine Truth of that doctrine.

SD 5451
Those who are in any doctrine,
although not entirely true,
and are nevertheless in the good of life,
are in heaven;
for falsity of doctrine is not falsity
when there is good in it.
All in heaven differ as to truths;
but those who are not in any doctrine
cannot be in heaven.

28 posted on 11/23/2012 3:52:54 AM PST by DaveMSmith (Evil Comes from Falsity, So Share the Truth)
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To: DaveMSmith
And that's the problem with most religions - they all "find these hidden meanings in scripture" and end up discounting the plain text meaning that are there for everyone to see. If the Bible and the Word it is intended to convey, required theologians or other "interpreters" for someone to grasp the meanings, we would have no chance of being saved because of all the "hidden meanings" that such "experts" tend to find.

Folks who push this sludge are no different than the propagandists that have ruined Freedom in America by their constant "tweaking" of what the Constitution means and even making actual words in the dictionary verboten because they might be offensive to some mush mind. It's one of the reasons that so many sects of "Christianity" now allow/welcome female "priests/pastors/deacons, and why even open homosexuals achieve high positions such as what the Episcopal church has done.

Your post/ideas do not open new and wondrous doors - it tries to slam the door shut on the Truth of God's Word - God and those who wrote the Bible aren't/weren't Masons who put secret codes in everything - God WANTED the Word of the Gospel and the significance of Jesus' death to be known and understood - He would not allow it to be hidden "between the lines".

29 posted on 11/23/2012 4:46:50 AM PST by trebb (Allies no longer trust us. Enemies no longer fear us.)
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To: trebb

Bingo...


30 posted on 11/23/2012 4:54:52 AM PST by ejonesie22 (8/30/10, the day Truth won.)
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To: DaveMSmith
I believe in spiritual freedom.
I certainly would not want to put a gag order by classification of these threads to stifle speech.
It's on the poster who is defiling a Bible Study on a forum where posts cannot be edited or deleted.
I consider these posts un-Christian and anti-social - not fit for any society.
 
 
 
 
   Ignore the following statement !!!
 
 
Titus 1:11
They must be silenced, because they are ruining whole households by teaching things they ought not to teach--and that for the sake of dishonest gain.

31 posted on 11/23/2012 5:33:20 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: trebb
- God WANTED the Word of the Gospel and the significance of Jesus' death to be known and understood - He would not allow it to be hidden "between the lines".

2 Corinthians 1:13-14

For we do not write you anything you cannot read or understand. And I hope that, as you have understood us in part, you will come to understand fully that you can boast of us just as we will boast of you in the day of the Lord Jesus.

32 posted on 11/23/2012 5:36:13 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie

“It [is] impossible for any good to take root in man except in his freedom, for that which does not take root in freedom is dispelled at the first sign of evil and of temptation. ” - Arcana Coelestia 3854 Emanuel Swedenborg


33 posted on 11/23/2012 5:38:37 AM PST by DaveMSmith (Evil Comes from Falsity, So Share the Truth)
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To: Elsie

Thank you for an actual passage to make the point - God Bless


34 posted on 11/23/2012 5:45:58 AM PST by trebb (Allies no longer trust us. Enemies no longer fear us.)
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To: DaveMSmith
The legal name for our branch is The General Church of The New Jerusalem

How many stars does your branch claim?

Swedenborg rejected Ruth, Job, Chronicles, Nehemiah, Ezra, Esther, Proverbs, in the Old Testament, and all but the four Gospels and Revelation in the New. He did Martin Luther a few instances better. He also recommended following the ways of the flesh in rather vigourous fashion.

One may also enquire as to whether the branch of the New Church to be found in central Africa has actually been located.

However, simply on the act of promoting modalism, one may conclude rather simply that Swedenborg was a heretic and any followers of his theology are Christian heretics as well.

35 posted on 11/23/2012 7:20:36 AM PST by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel, if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: SENTINEL
Yah some threads are gone.
36 posted on 11/23/2012 9:06:36 AM PST by BlueMoose
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To: Elsie

16 They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work freprobate.


37 posted on 11/23/2012 10:18:15 AM PST by BlueMoose
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To: Godzilla

Not sure what you mean. Do they use the longer, 73-book Bible used in the first 1,000 years of Christianity, or the more recent, shortened, 66-book Bible?


38 posted on 11/23/2012 10:55:06 AM PST by Mrs. Don-o (Unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you. (John 6:53))
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To: mtg
"The church grew but, with time, it began to fall away from what it was originally intended to be. Once again, the people of earth were prey to spiritual darkness."

Any church that preaches this (or any person that believes this) is calling Jesus Christ a liar.
Now that's interesting. Most Christian churches (with the exception of the Catholic, Orthodox, Oriental Orthodox, Syriac, etc.) can't name a single congregation of their church from before the 2nd millennium. Protestants, Baptists, Evangelicals, Non-denoms -- they all believe that the Church fell away or apostatized sometime during the 1st millennium of Christianity. Some say as early as Constantine, some say even earlier that. Or so they've often told me.
39 posted on 11/23/2012 11:22:27 AM PST by Mrs. Don-o (Unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you. (John 6:53))
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To: Mrs. Don-o

This is the list of book that they consider to be ‘scripture’ in addition to the writings of Swedenborg -

The five books of Moses, the book of Joshua, the book of Judges, the two books of Samuel, the two books of Kings, the Psalms of David, the Prophets Isaiah, Jeremiah, Lamentations, Ezekiel, Daniel, Hosea, Joel, Amos, Obadiah, Jonah, Micah, Nahum, Habakkuk, Zephaniah, Haggai, Zechariah, and Malachi; and in the New Testament the four Gospels, Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John, and the Revelation.

34 books in total - they reject the majority of the NT.


40 posted on 11/23/2012 12:46:56 PM PST by Godzilla (3/7/77)
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To: DaveMSmith
It's on the poster who is defiling a Bible Study on a forum where posts cannot be edited or deleted.

Defiling a bible study?????? For starters your 'church' rejects half of that same bible as scripture. Then you add the writings of an occultist as "scripture". That my FRiend is defilement.

41 posted on 11/23/2012 12:52:35 PM PST by Godzilla (3/7/77)
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To: Godzilla

Oh! Guess you could say they found Paul appalling!


42 posted on 11/23/2012 1:11:27 PM PST by Mrs. Don-o
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To: Godzilla

Our Church accepts all 66 books of the Bible as the Word. These Bible Studies teach from all 66 books.


43 posted on 11/23/2012 1:21:17 PM PST by DaveMSmith (Evil Comes from Falsity, So Share the Truth)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Hardly.


44 posted on 11/23/2012 1:25:19 PM PST by DaveMSmith (Evil Comes from Falsity, So Share the Truth)
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To: MarkBsnr

About half our members are located in Africa.


45 posted on 11/23/2012 1:29:42 PM PST by DaveMSmith (Evil Comes from Falsity, So Share the Truth)
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To: DaveMSmith
Whoops, I was giving credence to what was said at #40. If this isn't true, then my comment was incorrect. Sorry for the mistake.
46 posted on 11/23/2012 1:53:37 PM PST by Mrs. Don-o
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To: DaveMSmith
Our Church accepts all 66 books of the Bible as the Word. These Bible Studies teach from all 66 books.

Not according to the 'borg Dave.

"The five books of Moses, the book of Joshua, the book of Judges, the two books of Samuel, the two books of Kings, the Psalms of David, the Prophets Isaiah, Jeremiah, Lamentations, Ezekiel, Daniel, Hosea, Joel, Amos, Obadiah, Jonah, Micah, Nahum, Habakkuk, Zephaniah, Haggai, Zechariah, and Malachi; and in the New Testament the four Gospels, Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John, and the Revelation."
Borg rejected Paul's writings in that they " Emanuel Swedenborg, The Arcana Caelestia, vol. 12, trans. J. F. Potts, (New York: Swedenborg Foundation, 1978), para. 10325

you speak a falsehood according to your leader. Borg rejects Paul because his letters have "no conjunction with heaven by correspondences". (Swedenborg, Emanuel. The Spiritual Diary)

47 posted on 11/23/2012 2:21:18 PM PST by Godzilla (3/7/77)
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To: Godzilla
Swedenborg often quoted the Epistles in later works especially True Christianity.

Don't call me a liar.

48 posted on 11/23/2012 2:27:18 PM PST by DaveMSmith (Evil Comes from Falsity, So Share the Truth)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
Dave misrepresents his church's position regarding the bible - definitions. Borg choose only 33 out of the 66 books of the proven Word of GOD, the Bible, to be inspired; eliminating significant portions of the Old Testament, and everything past the 4 gospels of the New Testament except for Revelation. Borg rejects Paul and Peter's letters as well as chunks of the OT. Borg adds his own documents to be called scripture.
49 posted on 11/23/2012 2:34:15 PM PST by Godzilla (3/7/77)
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To: DaveMSmith
Swedenborg often quoted the Epistles in later works especially True Christianity.

You misrepresent Borg's attitude towards Paul as not being really inspired like his own writings were. As such he lowered them from his view of True scripture. Were he to accept them as scripture - it would gut his 'theology'.

50 posted on 11/23/2012 2:43:24 PM PST by Godzilla (3/7/77)
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