Posted on 11/25/2012 7:29:09 AM PST by Errant
read Luke 24 to see that Jesus died on the sixth day of the week and rose on the first day of the week.
IT IS NOT SUNDAY !!! YHvH does not reckon days like the Pagans from midnight. Until you understand how YHvH reckons days, you will remain confused. Seek YHvH in His WORD. First Fruits is the day following YHvH's Sabbath after His Pesach.
shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach
YHvH spells out how to reckon days in Genesis 1
See: #63 above for your understanding
Read Rood with the discernment of YHvH's WORD.
shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach
>> “Read Rood with the discernment of YHvH’s WORD.” <<
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Always!
DAY (Hebrew, “yom”): In the Bible, the season of light (Gen. i. 5), lasting “from dawn [lit. “the rising of the morning”] to the coming forth of the stars” (Neh. iv. 15, 17). The term “day” is used also to denote a period of twenty-four hours (Ex. xxi. 21). In Jewish communal life part of a day is at times reckoned as one day; e.g., the day of the funeral, even when the latter takes place late in the afternoon, is counted as the first of the seven days of mourning; a short time in the morning of the seventh day is counted as the seventh day; circumcision takes place on the eighth day, even though of the first day only a few minutes remained after the birth of the child, these being counted as one day. Again, a man who hears of a vow made by his wife or his daughter, and desires to cancel the vow, must do so on the same day on which he hears of it, as otherwise the protest has no effect; even if the hearing takes place a little time before night, the annulment must be done within that little time. The day is reckoned from evening to evening—i.e., night and day—except in reference to sacrifices, where daytime and the night following constitute one day (Lev. vii. 15; see Calendar). “The day” denotes: (a) Day of the Lord; (b) the Day of Atonement; (c) the treatise of the Mishnah that contains the laws concerning the Day of Atonement (See Yoma and Sabbath).
E. G. H. M. F.
from the jewishencyclopedia.com
please read the above definition of a “day” according to the jewish faith.
ANY PART OF A DAY IS COUNTED AS ONE DAY.
so, if a baby is born 2 SECONDS before sundown and dies 2 SECONDS after sundown, how many days was the baby alive??
ask a rabbi, according to jewish law, the baby lived TWO DAYS ( even though it was only alive 4 seconds! )
if the baby lived another 24 hours, according to jewish law, it died ON THE THIRD DAY. ( even though it was alive a total of 24 hours and 4 seconds )
i notice no one took up my challenge on counting days in Acts 10, hmmmm, i wonder why?
the term “ 3 days and 3 nights” and “after 3 days” have the same meaning in the Bible as “on the third day”. they are all expressions meaning the same concept to a 1st century Jew.
so if Jesus died on 3:00pm Wednesday, sundown Wednesday evening would have been day one since He died, sundown Thursday evening would end day two, and He would have to have risen by sundown Friday evening in order to have risen on the third day.
THIS IS IMPOSSIBLE ACCORDING TO LUKE 24.
Luke 24 takes place on the first day of the week ( on the feast of firstfruits ), which was the THIRD DAY since Jesus died. Since Jesus said He would rise ON THE THIRD DAY ( Luke 9:22 ), we know He rose on the feast of firstfruits, the first day of the week. Applying the Biblical way to count days as found in Luke 13, Exodus 19:10-11 and Acts 10, we can easily see Jesus had to haved died on Friday at 3:00pm, in order for the first day of the week to be the THIRD DAY since the crucifixion.
i think many great men such as Augustine, Aquinas, Luther, Calvin and many others have studied the Scriptures hundreds of years before rood decided he found something NO ONE else discovered.
i guess it is easier to sell tapes to the gullible if you “find” something new in the Scriptures.
Orthodox Christianity is not a “hot” product these days, is it?
2 Timothy 4:3-4 seems to describe these days rather well.
You’ve reached the point where you’re making a fool of yourself.
This is painful to watch.
You needed to turn to Torah to find the facts that you foolishly sought in a volume of which you lack any understanding.
The term “Orthodox Christianity” is reserved for Christians, not worshipers of Ishtar/mary, or followers of Tammuz/Constantine/Jupiter, or takers of the Sun host.
This thread is about real Christianity, centered on Yeshua, and his word.
why don’t you refute me from the Scriptures, rather than launching into ad hominem attacks?
i think the reason you don’t is quite obvious for all to see.
please read the above definition of a “day” according to the jewish faith.
Calculating a day from an encyclopedia is not righteous. Calculating a day as commanded by YHvH is righteous. Seek YHvH in His WORD ! An encyclopedia has nothing to do with Faith.
shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach
“Calculating a day as commanded by YHvH is righteous”
Luke 13:32 “and he said to them, “go and tell that fox, ‘behold, I cast out demons and perform cures TODAY and TOMORROW and the THIRD DAY I finish my course”
today = day one
tomorrow = day two
third day = day three
Exodus 19:10-11 “ and the Lord said to Moses, “go to the people and consecrate them today and tomorrow, and let them wash their garments, and be ready by the third day”
today = day one
tomorrow = day two
third day = day three
Friday = day one
Saturday = day two
Sunday = day three
You are a MASTER of Eisegesis.
We’ve given you a massive amount of scripture, including the scriptures that you claim supported your view, and of course they do not.
The day is defined in Genesis, and redefined the same way in Exodus and Leviticus. The Lord said that he didn’t come to add to or take away from Torah, and he said himself that he would be 3 days and 3 nights in the Earth, but you call him a liar, and hold up your self and the rest of the “good friday” Dagon worship caucus as superior to Christ.
Luke 24 states clearly that early in the morning on the first day Christ had already left the tomb, so he had obviously not spent any of the first day in the tomb, he had arisen at the end of the sabbath as prophecied. This perfectly supports the rest of scripture that has him in the tomb the entire 5th 6th and 7th days (3 days and 3 nights) from beginning of passover to the end of the sabbath.
God’s days do not go by the pagan catholic/Babylonian/Ashur calendar. His days are numbered, not named after pagan gods. Good Friday is the ancient celebration of Dagon, not a feast of the Lord; the Lords feasts have never changed from creation to the present.
Best regards,
Amen! And Amen!
The Lord was not in the tomb any part of “sunday.”
He arose at sundown at the end of the regular sabbath, which is 6 hours before your pagan “sunday” begins.
ok, i listened to disk #4 from approx the 29 minute mark until 65 minutes later and can only draw the following conclusion, rood is a:
1. deceiver
2. ignorant
3. or both, since they are not mutually exclusive
let’s start where rood and i agree, namely Jesus rose from the dead ON THE THIRD DAY.
the question then must be asked, the THIRD DAY from what?
again, rood and i would both agree the THIRD DAY from his death.
we further agree that the Scriptures tell us on what day Jesus rose from the dead.
so much for agreement, let’s look at where rood is WRONG and Christianity has been correct for close to 2,000 years.
let me stop for a second and say that since using the names our society uses for the days of the week offends the religious sensibilities of some on here ( although i am sure the hypocrites use terms like thursday and sunday every day of their life! ), i will use the numerical names for days from now on.
rood claims that when Jesus said he would be in the grave 3 days and 3 nights, just as Jonah was in the belly of the whale, this must mean a literal 3 days and 3 nights. fair enough. the problem he has, is when you listen to him, he claims Jesus died on the fourth day and He rose on the 7th day! ladies and gentlemen, this means Jesus would have been in the grave 4 days and 3 nights, which VIOLATES rood’s own literal standard of Matthew 12:40.
again, either the man is ignorant or a deceiver. rood claims a fourth day death and burial, but ignores the fourth day altogether and starts counting the 3 day and 3 nights with the 5th, 6th and 7th days.
IGNORE THAT FOURTH DAY, PAY NO ATTENTION TO IT! ( btw, editor-surveyor also seems to ignore the 4th day, whoops! )
rood is either too ignorant or wants to deceive you on how days are counted in the Bible.
i already showed that in Exodus 19 and Luke 13, the counting starts with the event itself, so day one is always the day of the event you are counting from.
not convinced?
well, isn’t is wonderful that the Holy Spirit inspired Luke to write not only his gospel, but also the book of Acts.
Acts 10 is irrefutable in showing how days are to be counted in the Scriptures.
in Acts 10:30, Cornelius says four days ago this hour, he was praying. if rood was counting, he would say it was three days ago, but does rood agree with the Scriptures?
let’s see how Cornelius can say it was four days since his prayer.
Acts 10:3 Cornelius has the vision of the angel - day one
Acts 10:9 Peter has his vision - day two
Acts 10:23 Peter journeys - day three
Acts 10:24 Peter arrives at Cornelius’s house - day four
Conclusive proof from Luke that when you start counting days from an event, the day of the event is DAY ONE.
rood completely ignores this, i wonder why??
The Scriptures absolutely tell us on what day Jesus rose from the dead, and from that day, we can absolutely determine on which day He died.
THE KEY IS TO REMEMBER THE NUMEROUS SCRIPTURE VERSES WHICH SAY JESUS ROSE ON “THE THIRD DAY”
THE SECOND KEY IS TO REMEMBER HOW DAYS ARE COUNTED IN THE SCRIPTURES ( Exodus 19, Luke 13 and Acts 10 )
Luke 24 takes place on the first day of the week. The two disciples were walking to Emmaus when they encountered the risen Christ, THAT VERY DAY (v13 ) and they recounted to Him how Jesus was condemned to death and was crucified and then came v21........yes, and besides all this, IT IS NOW THE THIRD DAY SINCE THESE THINGS HAPPENED”
THERE YOU HAVE IT, THE FIRST DAY OF THE WEEK WAS THE THIRD DAY SINCE THE DEATH OF JESUS.
WE KNOW HE WAS TO BE RAISED “ON THE THIRD DAY”, SO IT IS WITH 100% CERTITUDE WE CAN SAY JESUS ROSE ON THE FIRST DAY OF THE WEEK, ON THE FEAST OF FIRSTFRUITS.
Now, if we know with 100% certitude Jesus rose on the first day of the week, then we also know with absolute certitude that He died on the sixth day of the week. Counting days as the Bible counts days:
sixth day - day one
seventh day - day two
first day - the third day or day three
what about “three days and three nights”? this is an idiomatic expression that a first century Jew would know means the same as three days or after three days.
what about the high sabbath day? it is clear that the high sabbath day occurred on the 7th day, so it was the regular sabbath day and the high sabbath day ( probably 33ad )
rood tries to be slick and insert two sabbath days between Luke 23:54 and Luke 24:1, but the Scriptures NEVER say there were two sabbaths that week.
WHY DOES THIS MATTER?
It matters because cultists like rood, the way, mormons, seventh day adventists, herbert armstrong, jehovah witnesses, etc. use hard verses like Matthew 12:40 to attack the Church and make it easier for them to lead people astray with the following FALSE DOCTRINES:
denying the Divinity of Christ
denying the Trinity
keeping the 7th Day Sabbath
salvation by works and not grace
Don’t be fooled by these latter false prophets that Jesus told us would arise!
let me also add Paul, speaking of Jesus being raised from the dead says this in 1 Corinthians 15:20
“But in fact Christ has been raised from the dead, the FIRST FRUITS of those who have fallen asleep”
“FIRST FRUITS” is always on the FIRST DAY of the week, one more confirmation that the Scriptures support nearly 2,000 years of Apostolic Tradition, namely Jesus died on the sixth day and was raised on the FIRST DAY of the week.
challenge question to all the rood fans out there:
if Jesus died on day four as rood claims, how does the first day of the week become the third day since He died?
4th day = day one
5th day = day two
6th day = day three
7th day = day four
1st day = day five
oops, that doesn’t seem to work does it?
let’s try this:
5th day = day one
6th day = day two
7th day = day three
1st day = day four
oops again!
hmm, MATH IS HARD, ISN’T IT ROOD FANS???
if Jesus died on day four as rood claims, how does the first day of the week become the third day since He died?
Here's one back at you; what part of, "three days and three nights" do you not comprehend?
Certainly Christ used the example of Jonah (Jonah 1:17 - Now the Lord provided a huge fish to swallow Jonah, and Jonah was in the belly of the fish three days and three nights.) to emphasize that he would be in the earth "three days and three nights."
It seems to me that you have become so entrapped in false doctrine that you are unable or unwilling to see the truth no matter the amount of overwhelming evidence presented to you.
IMO it would prove fruitless to continue any further discussion with you on the matter.
“If this were not enough, we also have the testimony of Rabbi Eleazar ben Azariah from the first century who, while commenting upon Jonah 1:17 and its reference to three days and three nights, wrote that a day and a night are an Onah and the portion of an Onah is as the whole part of it (Jerusalem Talmud: Shabbath 9:3).”
posted from john stevenson, a presbyterian minister.
i understand Jesus to mean by “ three days and three nights” what He meant me to understand by that phrase and as every Jew who heard Him say it in the 1st century understood what He meant by it - the same as three days and the same as after three days. to the Jewish mind, ANY PART OF A DAY IS THE SAME AS THE WHOLE DAY.
Is that so hard to understand?
if someone was in the grave for five minutes, to a Jew, that person was in the grave a day, and it is the same to that Jew if the person was in the grave 24 hours, IT IS ALL ONE DAY.
The folly of rood is that he insists on a literal three days and three nights and then serves up FOUR DAYS and three nights and doesn’t expect anyone to notice his playing fast and loose with the fourth day, the actual crucifixion day according to his “discovery”!!
i can understand your not wanting to face Luke 24 and it’s implications to blowing up rood’s heresy.
Christians from 33ad on have been teaching a false doctrine, whereas some guy named rood has discovered the “truth” after 2,000 years???
what does the Bible say about the end times and false prophets arising......??
maybe you can write rood or call him and share my challenge with him..........but i am sure he is on to selling more tapes and cds and won’t have time to answer someone challenging his obvious nonsense!
In your ignorance, you've been unwittingly sucked into the man made religion and false doctrines of this man. Saint Constantine, who was Roman Emperor from 306 to 337 - NOT from 33ad as you put it.
You libel those who seek the truth and put words in the mouth's of the prophets and even the Messiah. You have been shown an abundance of evidence of what the real truth is. Accept the fact you've been deceived and make amends. The time you have remaining to do so is running short my FRiend.
A gold multiple of "Unconquered Constantine" with Sol Invictus, struck in 313. The use of Sol's image appealed to both the educated citizens of Gaul, who would recognize in it Apollo's patronage of Augustus and the arts; and to Christians, who found solar monotheism less objectionable than the traditional pagan pantheon.
For more on your doctrine's heritage, read about Sol Invictus
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