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THE IMPOSSIBLE GOSPEL OF MORMONISM: PLAN OF SALVATION
Mormon Infographics ^ | November 27, 2012

Posted on 11/27/2012 4:05:51 PM PST by greyfoxx39

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1 posted on 11/27/2012 4:05:56 PM PST by greyfoxx39
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To: Colofornian; Elsie; svcw; Zakeet; Tennessee Nana; aMorePerfectUnion; Godzilla; fishtank; metmom; ..

Ping


2 posted on 11/27/2012 4:07:44 PM PST by greyfoxx39 (We told you Mitt couldn't win.)
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To: greyfoxx39; All
Wow!

The Mormon god, who was...
...once a sinner,
...died,
...and was picked by a "council of gods" to get the god job of this planet...and a planet near the star Kolob...
...and then appeared to Joseph Smith without ever claiming to be God (search Joseph Smith History in Pearl of Great Price ... you'll never see Smith id'ing this entity as a "god")...
...concocted this false "gospel"...
...which 55,000 Lds missionaries now peddle worldwide...

3 posted on 11/27/2012 4:25:07 PM PST by Colofornian
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To: greyfoxx39

It looks kind of like the organizational chart for Obama Care, and, no doubt, works just as effectively.


4 posted on 11/27/2012 4:27:16 PM PST by Belteshazzar (We are not justified by our works but by faith - De Jacob et vita beata 2 +Ambrose of Milan)
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To: greyfoxx39

lolz

Christianity is so much simpler


5 posted on 11/27/2012 4:27:16 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: Colofornian

And the fact that so many of the bamboozled are Catholics turns my stomach.


6 posted on 11/27/2012 4:30:44 PM PST by caldera599
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To: Belteshazzar

This makes it sound like Scientology


7 posted on 11/27/2012 4:31:03 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: greyfoxx39

I do not care what Mormons believe.


8 posted on 11/27/2012 4:31:17 PM PST by Hound of the Baskervilles ("Nonsense in the intellect draws evil after it." C.S. Lewiscrate)
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To: Colofornian
...which 55,000 Lds missionaries now peddle worldwide...

And the man who tried to become POTUS has stated that he believes every word.....

Mitt Romney speaking about mormon faith

9 posted on 11/27/2012 4:31:45 PM PST by greyfoxx39 (We told you Mitt couldn't win.)
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To: Hound of the Baskervilles

Well, how very special.
This is the religion forum, this is a religious discussion......sorry it perturbs you.


10 posted on 11/27/2012 4:43:22 PM PST by svcw (Why is one cell on another planet considered life, and in the womb it is not.)
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To: greyfoxx39
“But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtlety, so your minds should be corrupted from THE SIMPLICITY THAT IS IN CHRIST. For if he that cometh preacheth ANOTHER JESUS, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive ANOTHER SPIRIT, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him. --- For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ. And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works. “

2 Corinthians 11:3-4; 13-15.

11 posted on 11/27/2012 4:51:51 PM PST by aMorePerfectUnion (Gone rogue, gone Galt, gone international. Gone.)
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To: greyfoxx39

“Do Not Pass Go, Do Not Collect $200”


12 posted on 11/27/2012 4:57:18 PM PST by Alex Murphy ("If you are not firm in faith, you will not be firm at all" - Isaiah 7:9)
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To: greyfoxx39

Let it go. Mitt will no longer impact your life or your beliefs in any way.


13 posted on 11/27/2012 5:00:43 PM PST by jtonn
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To: Alex Murphy

;0)


14 posted on 11/27/2012 5:01:07 PM PST by greyfoxx39 (We told you Mitt couldn't win.)
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To: jtonn
Let it go. Mitt will no longer impact your life or your beliefs in any way.

We find it hilarious that you mormonism defenders get your underwear in a knot about the posting of factual mormon doctrine from mormon sources by a few dozen FReepers at the same time that mormon leaders are bragging about the following:

We are grateful for the 52,225 full-time missionaries serving in more than 150 countries.16 The sun never sets on righteous missionaries testifying of the Savior mormon church. Think of the spiritual power of 52,000 missionaries, endowed with the Spirit of the Lord Joseph Smith, boldly declaring that there is “no other name given nor any other way nor means whereby salvation can come … , only in and through the name of Christ. mormon church temple rituals

"My young brethren of the priesthood, I testify of the majesty, but most of all, of the certainty of this magnificent event. The Savior lives. He will return to the earth (the Second Coming) . And whether on this side of the veil or the other, you and I will rejoice in His coming and thank the Lord that He sent us to earth at this time to fulfill our sacred duty of helping prepare the world for His return the mormon theocracy

."other people, who may not yield full obedience to his laws, nor be fully instructed in his covenants, will, nevertheless, have to yield full obedience to his government. For it will be the reign of God upon the earth, and he will enforce his laws, and command that obedience from the nations of the world which is legitimately his right” (Teachings of Presidents of the Church: John Taylor [2001], 225).

Preparing the World for the Second Coming-LDS.org, April 2011


15 posted on 11/27/2012 5:08:23 PM PST by greyfoxx39 (We told you Mitt couldn't win.)
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To: jtonn

Mormonism and Mitt are devoted to defeating Christianity, please tolerate Christians speaking about it.


16 posted on 11/27/2012 5:09:01 PM PST by ansel12 (The only Senate seat GOP pick up was the Palin endorsed Deb Fischer's successful run in Nebraska)
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To: greyfoxx39

Ooh ooh! Let’s make one for every religion!


17 posted on 11/27/2012 5:10:17 PM PST by Phinneous
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To: Hound of the Baskervilles; svcw; All
I do not care what Mormons believe.

This is where there's just an overwhelming disconnect between what some FREEPERs allege vs. the gaping gaps we see.

The Hound of the Baskervilles was Sir Arthur Conan Doyle's third of his Sherlock Holmes series titles.

Yet what was his first Sherlock Holmes' work...and what part did Mormonism play in that book?

Answer? The book was entitled: A Study in Scarlet...and Part II of the book delved heavily into Mormonism:

Yet despite Doyle's interest in Mormonism, enough to place it front & center in his lead Sherlock Holmes book, a FREEPER who portends to even derive his FREEPER "id" from yet another Doyle book comes on and claims a contrasting disinterest...e'en tho Doyle was hardly disinterested in Mormonism!!!!

Such irony!

From the above link: Part II: "The Country of the Saints"
The Mormon Nauvoo Legion, considerably overlapping with the Danites. The story flashes back to the Utah Territory in 1847, where John Ferrier and a little girl named Lucy, the only survivors of a large party of pioneers, lie down near a boulder to die from dehydration and hunger. They are discovered, however, by a large party of Mormons led by Brigham Young. The Mormons rescue Ferrier and Lucy on the condition that they adopt and live under their faith. Ferrier, who has proven himself an able hunter, is given a generous land grant with which to build his farm after the party constructs Salt Lake City. Years later, a now-grown Lucy befriends and falls in love with a man named Jefferson Hope. Lucy and Hope become engaged to be married, scheduled after Hope's return from a three-month long journey for his job. However, Ferrier is visited by Young, who reveals that it is against the religion for Lucy to marry Hope, a non-Mormon. He states that Lucy should marry Joseph Stangerson or Enoch Drebber—both members of the Mormon Church's Council of Four—though Lucy may choose which one. Ferrier and Lucy are given a month to decide. Ferrier, who has sworn to never marry his daughter to a Mormon, immediately sends out word to Hope for help. When he is visited by Stangerson and Drebber, Ferrier is angered by their arguments over Lucy and throws them out. Every day, however, the number of days Ferrier has left to marry off Lucy is painted somewhere on his farm in the middle of the night. Hope finally arrives on the eve of the last day, and sneaks his love and her adoptive father out of their farm and away from Salt Lake City. However, while he is hunting for food, Hope returns to a horrific sight; a makeshift grave for the elder Ferrier. Lucy is nowhere to be seen. Determined to devote his life to revenge, Hope sneaks back into Salt Lake City, learning that Lucy was forcibly married to Drebber and that Stangerson murdered Ferrier. Lucy dies a month later from a broken heart; Drebber, who inherited Ferrier's farm, is indifferent to her death. Hope then breaks into Drebber's house the night before Lucy's funeral to kiss her body and remove her wedding ring. Swearing vengeance, Hope stalks the town, coming close to killing Drebber and Stangerson on numerous occasions. Hope begins to suffer from an aortic aneurysm, causing him to leave the mountains to earn money and recuperate. When he returns about a year later, he learns that Drebber and Stangerson have fled Salt Lake City out of fear for their lives...

Re: Doyle's Depiction of Mormonism (same linked source above):
According to a Salt Lake City newspaper article, when Conan Doyle was asked about his depiction of the Latter-day Saints' organization as being steeped in kidnapping, murder and enslavement, he said: "all I said about the Danite Band and the murders is historical so I cannot withdraw that, though it is likely that in a work of fiction it is stated more luridly than in a work of history. It's best to let the matter rest".[4] However, Conan Doyle's daughter has stated: "You know, father would be the first to admit that his first Sherlock Holmes novel was full of errors about the Mormons."[4] Years after Conan Doyle's death, Levi Edgar Young, a descendant of Brigham Young and a Mormon general authority, claimed that Conan Doyle had privately apologised, saying that "He [Conan Doyle] said he had been misled by writings of the time about the Church."[4] However, in a preface to Volume II of The Complete Novels and Stories of Sherlock Holmes, Loren D. Estleman noted the implied criticism of the Mormon Church. He states that the story was not controversial at the time of the story's release, probably due to the recent memory of the Mountain Meadows massacre and the small membership of the church.

18 posted on 11/27/2012 5:12:27 PM PST by Colofornian
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To: jtonn; greyfoxx39; Elsie
Let it go. Mitt will no longer impact your life or your beliefs in any way.

GF, Elsie, I & others were posting about Mormonism well before Mitt announced his candidacy...and we were posting about it on FR well before that campaign officially kicked off in Jan of 07...

19 posted on 11/27/2012 5:14:35 PM PST by Colofornian
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To: greyfoxx39
And the man who tried to become POTUS has stated that he believes every word.....

he believes every word that he learned from childhood and is preached to him constantly.....as do protestants.

20 posted on 11/27/2012 5:17:33 PM PST by terycarl
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To: Colofornian

Well first of all I am not a he. Second I did read A Study in Scarlet. Third I like the Holmes stories by Doyle because Holmes was a genius and logical. Fourth the most handsome and amazing actor that ever lived was Jeremy Brett, now deceased. He played Sherlock Holmes in the long running English TV series and from time to time I like to feast my eyes on his noble chiseled features and be amazed that he was far and away the best Sherlock Holmes OF ALL TIME.

SO THERE!

,


21 posted on 11/27/2012 5:28:00 PM PST by Hound of the Baskervilles ("Nonsense in the intellect draws evil after it." C.S. Lewiscrate)
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To: jtonn

ah, In case you did not notice this is the religion forum and this is a religious discussion, posting about mormonISM has been going on on FR for more than a decade.....
get with the program.


22 posted on 11/27/2012 5:28:13 PM PST by svcw (Why is one cell on another planet considered life, and in the womb it is not.)
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To: terycarl

And your point is what?


23 posted on 11/27/2012 5:29:28 PM PST by svcw (Why is one cell on another planet considered life, and in the womb it is not.)
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To: jtonn; greyfoxx39; ansel12; All
Let it go. Mitt will no longer impact your life or your beliefs in any way.

Ya know, this is about the third similar kind of comment I've seen since the Election...and it's not like there's been an overwhelming # of Mormon threads...

What's interesting in these comments is that it shows the poster assumes they know the motivation of why these threads are posted.

Their assumption is tantamount to us...
...approaching Mormon missionaries everywhere in April of 2012...
...telling them that they could stop preaching that all Catholics are "apostates"...
...since Santorum, a Catholic, had just dropped out running vs. Romney...

See the parallel?

To think that we proclaim truth about Mormonism only as some political leverage -- and not for the sake of truth-telling itself -- would be the same error as assuming that 55,000 Lds missionaries were out and about 2011-2012 only to expose the Catholic "heresies" of Santorum & Gingrich...anytime they rang a Catholic doorbell...

24 posted on 11/27/2012 5:35:39 PM PST by Colofornian
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To: svcw

We can start with a box “where did we come from,” continue on to another box “Who/how did the creator reveal himself,” move to “what is required of me/others (and how to influence them.)” and finish with “Perfection.”

Do we influence with swords, verbal barbs, or living examples?

(and of course, my diagram will have a 613-commandment path and a parallel, essential 7-commandment path.... ;-)


25 posted on 11/27/2012 5:37:48 PM PST by Phinneous
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To: Hound of the Baskervilles

and yet you took the time to enter the thread you don’t care about and post to it. that’s just special.


26 posted on 11/27/2012 5:49:17 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: Phinneous; svcw
Do we influence with swords, verbal barbs, or living examples?

Well, we know Jesus opted out of the sword approach...hence, "he who lives by the sword, dies by it."

Barbs?

Well, I do wish some FREEPERs would quit trying to "outnice" Jesus, who verbally worked over the legalists of that time...the Pharisees & teachers of the law...

Calling them "children of Satan" (John 8)...vipers...whitewashed tombstones...etc (Matt 23) wasn't exactly encouragement via edification...

And a "living examples" ONLY approach could wind up glorifying an unidentified "god" in an era where people embrace multiple "gods."

27 posted on 11/27/2012 5:50:02 PM PST by Colofornian
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To: Hound of the Baskervilles; svcw; Secret Agent Man
...I did read A Study in Scarlet

Yes, but did you ever give a written or online critique of Doyle's A Study in Scarlet, dissing him for including a subject of no interest to you (Mormonism) in that book? (Yes? No?)

28 posted on 11/27/2012 5:52:51 PM PST by Colofornian
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To: GeronL
Christianity is so much simpler


 

John 6:28-29

Then they asked him, “What must we do to do the works God requires?”

Jesus answered, “The work of God is this: to believe in the one he has sent.”


1 John 3:21-24

Dear friends, if our hearts do not condemn us, we have confidence before God and receive from him anything we ask, because we keep his commands and do what pleases him. And this is his command: to believe in the name of his Son, Jesus Christ, and to love one another as he commanded us. The one who keeps God’s commands lives in him, and he in them. And this is how we know that he lives in us: We know it by the Spirit he gave us.


29 posted on 11/27/2012 5:53:49 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: terycarl
he believes every word that he learned from childhood and is preached to him constantly.....as do protestants.

And do Catholics, who tend to be even more rote and ritualistic about including a "religious" dimension of their lives...

30 posted on 11/27/2012 5:54:23 PM PST by Colofornian
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To: Hound of the Baskervilles
I do not care what Mormons believe.

Then why did you post this?

Why not just ignore the thread??

31 posted on 11/27/2012 5:55:00 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: jtonn
Let it go. Mitt will no longer impact your life or your beliefs in any way.

Sorry; but ol' Mitt is STILL a quite visible member of a hellish heresy and will do anything to promote it.


2 Corinthians 11:12

And I will keep on doing what I am doing

 in order to cut the ground from under those

who want an opportunity to be considered equal

with us in the things they boast about.

 

32 posted on 11/27/2012 5:56:54 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: terycarl
he believes every word that he learned from childhood and is preached to him constantly.....as do protestants.

Spoken like a True Catgholic.

33 posted on 11/27/2012 6:00:39 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: terycarl
he believes every word that he learned from childhood and is preached to him constantly.....as do protestants.

Spoken like a True Catholic.

34 posted on 11/27/2012 6:00:51 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Phinneous
Do we influence with swords, verbal barbs, or living examples?

Yes.

But mainly with TRUTH.

A LOT of it can be found here:

35 posted on 11/27/2012 6:04:58 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Colofornian

I still don’t care what Mormons believe.


36 posted on 11/27/2012 6:06:50 PM PST by Hound of the Baskervilles ("Nonsense in the intellect draws evil after it." C.S. Lewiscrate)
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To: Elsie

I’ll go ahead and start here https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQQgjdyCK1XbPBUdT1ECh8jGzzhwKjIIb1wFcSXjuKSBzzNNG7E

Here: http://www.algemeiner.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/talmud.jpg

and here:http://farm1.static.flickr.com/23/38223593_104e63254c.jpg

That’s about all a Jew needs...to start with anyway.


37 posted on 11/27/2012 6:15:51 PM PST by Phinneous
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To: Hound of the Baskervilles
I still don’t care what Mormons believe.

(Well Sir Arthur Conan Doyle did -- to a limited extent -- and based upon your FREEPname, that alone should be enough to satisfy you)

38 posted on 11/27/2012 6:16:32 PM PST by Colofornian
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To: greyfoxx39; All
From the original graphic posted: Have you done all you can do?

ALL: This is REALLY the bottom-line "upshot" of Mormonism...

This question asks all Mormons, based upon the Book of Mormon verse of being saved by grace only "AFTER ALL you can do." (2 Nephi 25:23)

Mormons...anyone...have you done ALL you can do?

spiritually?

physically?

emotionally?

relationally?

intellectually?

Yes?

No?

If "NO," per the Mormon gospel, then grace won't "kick in" for you...for ye will be saved by grace only AFTER all you can do.

You, Mormon, are therefore in a lost outer darkness state unless you can attain perfection in all dimensions of your life!!!

39 posted on 11/27/2012 6:21:05 PM PST by Colofornian
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To: greyfoxx39; All
ALL: Notice the 2nd "heading" of the graphic posted:

Spirit World

Did you know that Mormons believe that EVERYBODY intially goes to this very same "spirit world" -- that's supposedly not very far from us?

Here's a FR article posted from an official Lds church mag: The Spirit World, Our Next Home

Hence, Mormons teach:

1. The Mormon spirit world is "on this earth."

2. President Ezra Taft Benson declared that “the spirit world is not far away. Sometimes the veil between this life and the life beyond becomes very thin."

3. The wicked go to "spirit prison," which is not eternal hell.

4. Peter refers to the spirit world as “prison,” and it is for some. (1 Pet. 3:18–20, 1 Pet. 4:6.) However, to the Mormon, spirit prison is a "higher university" -- it chiefly being a place of learning and waiting, not a place of suffering. [Oh. First Mormons eliminate the eternality of hell. Then they redefine actually as a "school," which I suppose for some students of our public schools, the same thing as "hell."]

5. In short, the spirit world is the temporary home of the spirits of all mankind, whether they are good or evil. Thus Joseph Smith could declare that “the righteous and the wicked all go to the same world of spirits until the resurrection.” (Teachings, p. 310.) Yet some have wondered why Jesus promised the dying thief that after his death he would join the Savior in paradise. The Prophet Joseph taught: “King James’ translators make it out to say paradise. But what is paradise?

6. So, instead of teaching that the righteous go to heaven, or really any "degree of salvation," Mormonism actually emphasizes a "dumbing down" where "all mankind" originally goes to the same place, no matter what! And guess what? God isn't there: it is not the place where God the Father, the resurrected Lord, and other resurrected beings dwell. Rather, it is an intermediate condition or state where people await the resurrection—a sphere where disembodied spirits live in one of several conditions according to what their mortal lives have merited."

7. So, so far, trusting in Jesus Christ and relating to Jesus Christ amounts to what your life merits. You're just a cosmic Boy Scout.

8. Thus, Mormons remain "missionaries" on the other side. It's no place of rest as the Bible describes the other side. Yup, for Mormons ...the spirit world is the place where disembodied spirits go. It is a tangible, substantial sphere incorporated with our earth, the focal point of a massive missionary effort in which we share.

Thus, they get to continue to earn their way to heaven by trying to bump up others along the way!

40 posted on 11/27/2012 6:30:29 PM PST by Colofornian
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To: caldera599

Do you mean Catholics becoming Mormons?

I had a couple in my store last year. The wife was converting to Catholicism.

They had been married for many years, he was Catholic, she was Mormon. Very interesting conversation.

Welcome home, I say.


41 posted on 11/27/2012 6:35:07 PM PST by Not gonna take it anymore (If Obama were twice as smart as he is, he would be a wit)
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To: Colofornian

Doyle believed fairies were real. He was a lapsed Catholic who conducted seances. What he wrote about any religion is not relevant to me.


42 posted on 11/27/2012 6:43:24 PM PST by Hound of the Baskervilles ("Nonsense in the intellect draws evil after it." C.S. Lewiscrate)
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To: terycarl

“he believes every word that he learned from childhood and is preached to him constantly.....as do protestants.”

Thank you for a really good post.

I was a Protestant. Thanks be to God, I became a Catholic.


43 posted on 11/27/2012 6:43:44 PM PST by Not gonna take it anymore (If Obama were twice as smart as he is, he would be a wit)
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To: Colofornian

“To think that we proclaim truth about Mormonism only as some political leverage — and not for the sake of truth-telling itself — would be the same error as assuming that 55,000 Lds missionaries were out and about 2011-2012 only to expose the Catholic “heresies” of Santorum & Gingrich...anytime they rang a Catholic doorbell...”

I have had Mormons at my door as well as Jehovah’s Witnesses.

I tell them all the same thing. I am Catholic.

Of course I was telling them that before I became Catholic, so now at least I am being truthful. LOL


44 posted on 11/27/2012 6:48:37 PM PST by Not gonna take it anymore (If Obama were twice as smart as he is, he would be a wit)
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To: svcw
And your point is what?

I wasn't trying to make a point, someone else was. They were condemning Romney for following a false religion that he had experienced since childhood....I merely pointed out that it is not that hard to do.....

45 posted on 11/27/2012 6:51:11 PM PST by terycarl
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To: Not gonna take it anymore
"I was a Protestant. Thanks be to God, I became a Catholic."

========================================================

I was a Catholic. Thanks be to God, I became a Christian.

46 posted on 11/27/2012 6:52:06 PM PST by Manic_Episode (Some days...it's just not worth chewing through the leather straps....)
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To: Colofornian
he believes every word that he learned from childhood and is preached to him constantly.....as do protestants. And do Catholics, who tend to be even more rote and ritualistic about including a "religious" dimension of their lives...

very true, but Catholics were there from the beginning....protestants came alng about 1,600 years later....big difference!!!

47 posted on 11/27/2012 6:55:22 PM PST by terycarl
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To: Manic_Episode

If you were baptized in the Catholic Church, you are still a Catholic.

Don’t know how to break this to you but, the very first Christians were Catholic and we still are!

You didn’t become a Christian, you gave up the Eucharist. You left Jesus.


48 posted on 11/27/2012 6:56:41 PM PST by Not gonna take it anymore (If Obama were twice as smart as he is, he would be a wit)
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To: Elsie
Spoken like a True Catgholic.

thank you....I'm intoxicated with the true Christian religion on earth....the others, churches of what's happening now, just don't measure up...

49 posted on 11/27/2012 6:58:59 PM PST by terycarl
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To: Not gonna take it anymore
Hmmmm...sprinkling when I was a baby and knew nothing vs full immersion and confession by decision?

"God is spirit, and his worshipers must worship in spirit and in truth."

50 posted on 11/27/2012 7:01:57 PM PST by Manic_Episode (Some days...it's just not worth chewing through the leather straps....)
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