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Crossing the Jordan into the Inner Meaning [New Church, Open]
Spirit and Life Bible Study ^ | Wed Nov 28, 2012 | Rev Dr Johnathon Rose

Posted on 11/29/2012 2:55:12 PM PST by DaveMSmith

Everything in the Old Testament history leads up to the crossing of the Jordan, and yet the way the story is told in Joshua 3 and 4 has major inconsistencies and problems. Is there another way to read it?

Can the Bible be taken literally?


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1 posted on 11/29/2012 2:55:18 PM PST by DaveMSmith
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2 posted on 11/29/2012 2:57:33 PM PST by DaveMSmith (Evil Comes from Falsity, So Share the Truth)
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To: DaveMSmith

Whut?

Before we play, what’s your game here? Is there a prize, a ribbon, or a free-for-all argument?


3 posted on 11/29/2012 3:01:57 PM PST by RitaOK ( VIVA CHRISTO REY / Public education is the farm team for more Marxists coming.)
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To: RitaOK

^5
4 posted on 11/29/2012 3:04:28 PM PST by onyx (FREE REPUBLIC IS HERE TO STAY! DONATE MONTHLY! IF YOU WANT ON SARAH PALIN''S PING LIST, LET ME KNOW)
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To: DaveMSmith

Ah, another study to purchase, a blog hit on FB? Come on.


5 posted on 11/29/2012 3:04:54 PM PST by RitaOK ( VIVA CHRISTO REY / Public education is the farm team for more Marxists coming.)
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To: RitaOK

Nothing to purchase. The USteam is free. No one is counting FB hits - I don’t even think that can be done.


6 posted on 11/29/2012 3:07:37 PM PST by DaveMSmith (Evil Comes from Falsity, So Share the Truth)
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To: onyx; humblegunner

Humblegunner has sharpened my bulbs that’s, for sure! LOL! The old poop smells blog hitting in the blink of an eye. ;.D


7 posted on 11/29/2012 3:08:53 PM PST by RitaOK ( VIVA CHRISTO REY / Public education is the farm team for more Marxists coming.)
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To: DaveMSmith

Yes, well now, back to the original question. ( envision fingers tapping) )


8 posted on 11/29/2012 3:13:51 PM PST by RitaOK ( VIVA CHRISTO REY / Public education is the farm team for more Marxists coming.)
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To: RitaOK

Just trying to raise the level of discussion here on the RF. Catholics claim the Bible is allegory with a lot of inconsistencies. Protestants did away with that and claim the literal meaning is sufficient. The New Church claims the entire Word is significative beginning to end - Genesis to Revelation and is totally consistent; water means truth or in it’s opposite sense, falsity.


9 posted on 11/29/2012 3:24:03 PM PST by DaveMSmith (Evil Comes from Falsity, So Share the Truth)
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To: DaveMSmith

Good luck there.


10 posted on 11/29/2012 3:29:05 PM PST by RitaOK ( VIVA CHRISTO REY / Public education is the farm team for more Marxists coming.)
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To: DaveMSmith; RitaOK; onyx
Can the Bible be taken literally?

Well, yea .... I take mine literally everywhere I go!

Speaking figuratively of course.

That's a lot of homework you've assigned there!

Will there be an end-of-course exam?

Pop-Quizzes?

A Diploma?

Will the grading be on a bell-curve?

My, my, I wonder: what would Jesus do? (or Paul, or Moses, or Joshua, etc., etc.)

11 posted on 11/29/2012 3:30:10 PM PST by Col Freeper (FR: A smorgasbord of Conservative Mindfood - dig in and enjoy it!)
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To: Col Freeper

;D.)


12 posted on 11/29/2012 3:43:59 PM PST by RitaOK ( VIVA CHRISTO REY / Public education is the farm team for more Marxists coming.)
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To: DaveMSmith
Mormonism is a wolf in sheep's clothing... SEARCH THE SCRIPTURES (John 5:39)

Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves ... For such are FALSE apostles, DECEITFUL workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ.” (Matthew 7:15; 2nd Corinthians 11:13).

 
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13 posted on 11/29/2012 3:46:29 PM PST by aMorePerfectUnion (Gone rogue, gone Galt, gone international. Gone.)
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

And that is your personal opinion. I’ve posted less than 50 threads in my nine years here... hardly spam. And nowhere does Swedenborg claim to be a prophet or does my Church recognize such, so your quote must be self projection...


14 posted on 11/29/2012 3:51:44 PM PST by DaveMSmith (Evil Comes from Falsity, So Share the Truth)
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To: DaveMSmith

None of that changes the cultic nature of Swedenborgianism.


15 posted on 11/29/2012 5:16:22 PM PST by aMorePerfectUnion (Gone rogue, gone Galt, gone international. Gone.)
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

What is main reason you would have this known as a cult?


16 posted on 11/29/2012 6:05:52 PM PST by veracious
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

Could you define the ‘cultic nature’ of my Church? What do we do to earn this classification? What’s your source?


17 posted on 11/29/2012 6:11:01 PM PST by DaveMSmith (Evil Comes from Falsity, So Share the Truth)
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To: DaveMSmith

Denies the Vicarious Atonement
Denies the Trinity
Denies the deity of the Holy Spirit
Teaches that All religions lead to God
Denies existence of Satan
Swedenborg stated that the Acts and Epistles were not inspired as are the four Gospels and the Book of Revelation
Denies a physical resurrection

Start there. All heresies condemned by the Church.


18 posted on 11/29/2012 7:11:42 PM PST by aMorePerfectUnion (Gone rogue, gone Galt, gone international. Gone.)
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swedenborgianism

Aghast!


19 posted on 11/29/2012 7:23:57 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: DaveMSmith
I am not a Bible-scholar (and shamefully do not read it as much as I should), but I see it this way:
The Old Testament is a collection of books, stories, prophecies, histories, etc... that are in a strict sense for the Israelites.
While it lays a foundation for Christianity, and is very important in understanding God & the Gospel of the New Testament - it's not a second capstone (Jesus is our salvation. Period.) A lot of people try to equate Judaism/Christianity/Islam by saying that they all spring from Abraham.
While Judaism does spring from Abraham, they stop before they get to Jesus. This is one of the reasons for the need of the Second Coming. The true Israelites & those that follow the God Abraham (all religious people who follow the Hebrew faith as compared to secular Jewish people) cannot deny Jesus the next time.
Islam is Satan's religious military arm and dark "reflection" of Christianity.
Of course Christianity is God's giving humanity a second chance by having a part of himself experience humanity & die as a perfect sacrifice to pay the price for humanities sin. He made the rules and then showed us that even He must obey his own law. (This is the pefection of God.)

So - while the Old Testament is important for those of the Hebrew faith as their covenant with the God of Abraham, it is merely a foundation for the more important Gospel of the New Testament.
As for the prophecies - believe 'em. There's a reason they are in there..

All that and a dollar will get you a cup of coffee. :-)

20 posted on 11/29/2012 7:35:18 PM PST by Hazelwood Redneck Brain Trust
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To: DaveMSmith

Before we begin discussing whether what you claim about Catholics v Protestant views of the Bible, we should settle the question of why Protestants don’t accept the entire Bible but only a subset.

If Luther had sufficient authority that a group of people would accept his throwing out portions of the Old Testament, why haven’t they also thrown out the portions of the New Testament he didn’t think should be there?

Either the Catholic Church has the authority to define the canon of the New Testament in spite of what Luther thought, they have the authority to define the canon of the Old Testament as well.

So, before getting into the little quiz you propose, how about we discuss just why it is that so many people refuse to accept the entire Bible rather than the Luther subset of the Old Testament and the complete Catholic New Testament?


21 posted on 11/29/2012 7:51:52 PM PST by Rashputin (Jesus Christ doesn't evacuate His troops, He leads them to victory.)
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To: Rashputin
But even Luther accepted the Catholic Bible!! He just wanted to do his own thing rather than God's thing.

Catholic Scripture Study Bible - RSV Large Print Edition


"We are compelled to concede to the Papists
that they have the Word of God,
that we received it from them,
and that without them
we should have no knowledge of it at all."

~ Martin Luther



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22 posted on 11/29/2012 8:11:19 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Salvation
Well, he threw out the parts of the Old Testament that he didn’t like and wanted to throw out Hebrews, James, Jude, and Revelation. Another book or two as well but I forget which ones. That’s one of the big things that jumped out at me when I went through and read everything Luther wrote. I couldn’t see how someone was being led by the Holy Spirit and start by throwing parts of the Bible in the trashcan.

I’m trying to see why someone who thinks Rolf Doofenshmirtz (long lost brother of Heinz Doofenschmirtz) would know more than the Apostles and those the Apostles personally taught and ordained, would believe that both Protestants and Catholics are in error. Step one seems to be finding out how Doofenschmirtz and his minions have determined what they accept as part of the Bible and what they may not accept.

Regards

23 posted on 11/29/2012 8:26:19 PM PST by Rashputin (Jesus Christ doesn't evacuate His troops, He leads them to victory.)
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To: Rashputin

**Doofenshmirtz**

Sound like you are doing some deep research.

Also don’t forget that Luther added words to the Bible — such as the word “alone” in faith alone when previously it only said faith.


24 posted on 11/29/2012 8:29:46 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Salvation
"**Doofenshmirtz**"

Hey, it's not like I called him, "Herr Platypus".

"Also don’t forget that Luther added words to the Bible . . . "

Yes, I've about decided that Luther would have totally run amok and ended up having far less influence were it not for his buddy Phil keeping him in check.

25 posted on 11/29/2012 8:41:57 PM PST by Rashputin (Jesus Christ doesn't evacuate His troops, He leads them to victory.)
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To: DaveMSmith
Put in context, the Bible has no inconsistencies. Men "find" the "inconsistencies" to make themselves and their religions conform to their sensibilities - else, why some 30,000+ sects of Christianity that all claim the same Bible?

Pretty amazing work - written over a few thousand years by some 150 authors and it does not contradict itself unless one decided to "translate" it outside of its context.

26 posted on 11/30/2012 3:46:26 AM PST by trebb (Allies no longer trust us. Enemies no longer fear us.)
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To: RitaOK

But sadly, when Christians fight each other, it only just provides more ammo for the non-believing folks who want to attack Christians.


27 posted on 11/30/2012 4:33:32 AM PST by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

Please see post number 27. Thank-you.


28 posted on 11/30/2012 4:37:58 AM PST by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: DaveMSmith

You have posted at least 3 very recently, and the object is obvious to us. And since one of your defenses is that your home page, replete with promotion of Thomas Paine, manifests what you are about, and as you are promoting a particular church, would you tell us which Swedenborgian denomination you belong to? Thanks


29 posted on 11/30/2012 7:47:33 AM PST by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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To: Biggirl
"But sadly, when Christians fight each other, it only just provides more ammo for the non-believing folks who want to attack Christians."

I don't fight any Christian. They are all family, regardless of denomination or tradition.

As to those who style them selves as Christians, while teaching heresies, well... I'll stand with the Apostle Paul. How about you?

"And I will keep on doing what I am doing in order to cut the ground from under those who want an opportunity to be considered equal with us in the things they boast about."

II Cor. 11:12


30 posted on 11/30/2012 8:32:49 AM PST by aMorePerfectUnion (Gone rogue, gone Galt, gone international. Gone.)
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To: aMorePerfectUnion; Col Freeper; RitaOK; Hazelwood Redneck Brain Trust; Rashputin; Salvation; ...

Indeed: See http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2962210/posts?page=70#70

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2962210/posts?page=86#86

http://peacebyjesus.tripod.com/swedenborg.html


31 posted on 11/30/2012 8:35:39 AM PST by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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To: DaveMSmith; aMorePerfectUnion
And nowhere does Swedenborg claim to be a prophet or does my Church recognize such

The Borg claimed exclusive interpretation of scripture - in that they cannot be understood apart from his interpretations. The Borg's works are regarded as revelatory by the New Church. Both of these are common claims by modern 'prophets'. However, not all borgs accept your denial Dave -

"Swedenborg: The Modern Prophet of the Lord" by Ragnar Boyesen states:
"That he prayed the Lord to belong to Him is a most significant step on the way, and we shall refer to this very point to show how our modern prophet differs from the prophets of old. "

From Swedenborg.org -
"Emanuel Swedenborg Prophet, Seer, and Revelator" by Bijhan Nasser-Faili - "Thus begins the prophetic career of one of the most remarkable individuals who has ever lived."

Simple google search turns up numerous Borg articles refering to Borg as a prophet.

More misinformation to deflect criticism?

32 posted on 11/30/2012 9:05:30 AM PST by Godzilla (3/7/77)
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To: daniel1212

daniel,
Great Links!


33 posted on 11/30/2012 9:26:47 AM PST by aMorePerfectUnion (Gone rogue, gone Galt, gone international. Gone.)
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To: Salvation; Rashputin; Mr Rogers

Good translation is difficult work. It is easy to criticize but hard to do. While I am by no means an apologist for everything Luther, this particular subject is not an open and shut case of “adding words” to the Bible, as our own forum discussions have demonstrated in the past:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/2801154/posts

See post#28 in particular.

As one who has attempted amateur translation of both Hebrew and Greek into modern, informal English (purely for my own edification - I would not foist such feeble exercises on the public at large), I can tell you there are gaps between the languages that are sometimes not easy to fill without making somewhat risky decisions about the meaning of the text and how best to represent it. I remember hearing about one translator (Wycliffe group, I think) working in a language where there was no word for love. Every single place the word appeared in the original it had to be adorned with “added words” that gave it the meaning of love in that linguistic context, in that culture. To fail to add those words would have been to refrain from telling the whole of God’s truth.

Again, I’m not making an argument for or against any particular choice of Luther. He was a man and was as fallible as any pope ever was. We all make mistakes, and then we justify them. Only God has an accurate score card. I’m just saying that in translation, to make a sound accusation against a particular choice of words, you need to do more than jsut say “added words” = “wrong words.” It may be true, or it may not. It depends on the specifics, case by case.

Donning flame-retardant suit now ... There, I’m ready, flame away ...


34 posted on 11/30/2012 10:19:17 AM PST by Springfield Reformer (Winston Churchill: No Peace Till Victory!)
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To: Rashputin; metmom; boatbums; caww; presently no screen name; smvoice; HarleyD; ...


Before we begin discussing whether what you claim about Catholics v Protestant views of the Bible, we should settle the question of why Protestants don’t accept the entire Bible but only a subset.

If Luther had sufficient authority that a group of people would accept his throwing out portions of the Old Testament, why haven’t they also thrown out the portions of the New Testament he didn’t think should be there?

Either the Catholic Church has the authority to define the canon of the New Testament in spite of what Luther thought, they have the authority to define the canon of the Old Testament as well.

As has been often documented here, and referred to you before, Rome did not provide its infallible, indisputable canon until the year Luther died, and there was substantial dissent about books which Luther rejected down through the centuries and right into Trent - despite an overall acceptance reflecting decrees by early non-infallible councils such as Hippo, Carthage and Florence. See http://peacebyjesus.tripod.com/ancients_on_scripture.html#2 Thus Luther's rejection of books was not novel but he had scholarly company with others who also doubted some of the books.

As for what authority Protestantism has for its canon, the question must first be what is the basis (Scripture, etc.?) for your assurance that Rome is the One True Church® (and which thus can provide an infallible canon, even if it took over 1400+ years after the last book was written to do so)?

And why is it necessary to have an assuredly infallible magisterium in order to establish writings as Scripture?

Thanks.



35 posted on 11/30/2012 10:20:46 AM PST by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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To: daniel1212

As usual, Daniel, GOOD labor intensive WORK!


36 posted on 11/30/2012 10:26:02 AM PST by presently no screen name
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To: Springfield Reformer

Doesn’t Greek have 7? ways of saying love - depending on the depth of love and/or what it applies to? No flame from me. Surface readers (w/o the HS) are the ones critical, IMO. To be sure, they follow man-made teachings while saying they are followers of Jesus Christ/The Word.


37 posted on 11/30/2012 10:35:44 AM PST by presently no screen name
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To: aMorePerfectUnion
"And I will keep on doing what I am doing in order to cut the ground from under those who want an opportunity to be considered equal with us in the things they boast about." II Cor. 11:12

MAJOR BUMP! That SHOULD stop the 'let's play nice' theme.

38 posted on 11/30/2012 10:40:30 AM PST by presently no screen name
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To: daniel1212

The General Church of the New Jerusalem


39 posted on 11/30/2012 10:41:27 AM PST by DaveMSmith (Evil Comes from Falsity, So Share the Truth)
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To: Godzilla

swedenborg.org is another branch.


40 posted on 11/30/2012 10:42:49 AM PST by DaveMSmith (Evil Comes from Falsity, So Share the Truth)
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To: DaveMSmith
Catholics claim ... Protestants ... claim ...

A word of advise: Don't go prattling on about what other folks claim, particularly when you don't get it right. It just makes you look foolish.

41 posted on 11/30/2012 10:43:53 AM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: Springfield Reformer

Difficulty of translation doesn’t explain elimination of entire books from the Old and New Testaments.


42 posted on 11/30/2012 11:05:17 AM PST by Rashputin (Jesus Christ doesn't evacuate His troops, He leads them to victory.)
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To: daniel1212
Christ never once mentioned that anything in the Septuagint shouldn't be there.

Surely if the “Scripture Alone” scam were true Christ and the Apostles would have spelled out what should be thrown out of the Septuagint. Surely if the One Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic Church Jesus Christ Himself founded didn't have the authority to determine the canon the Apostles would have pointed that fact out rather than calling His Church the bulwark of the faith.

No matter how many people joined Luther's “Self Alone “ party to ingratiate themselves with the nobility, he was obviously wrong about throwing out portions of the New Testament. That alone is sufficient reason to ignore his claims about what should be in the Old Testament.

The need for a single infallible magisterium is due to the fact that Christ established that single infallible magisterium.

43 posted on 11/30/2012 11:42:46 AM PST by Rashputin (Jesus Christ doesn't evacuate His troops, He leads them to victory.)
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To: DaveMSmith

so the other is valid
is this ‘other branch’ views simlar
I’ll bet they are
why else would they rank Borg’s writings as equal to scripture.


44 posted on 11/30/2012 12:21:20 PM PST by Godzilla (3/7/77)
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To: DaveMSmith; daniel1212
What precisely do you find inconsistent about Joshua? It is a historical account of the Israelites moving into the territory prescribed by God. The problem the Israelites had was that a number of them still had not put away their idols.

The history of Israel is not unlike the Church. People still refuse to acknowledge or put away their idols. And, yes, the Israelites had all sorts of excuses as well. God allows our own cravings to be our own downfall.
45 posted on 11/30/2012 1:32:56 PM PST by HarleyD
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To: HarleyD

The Bible Study covers the literal account in Joshua 3 and 4 as indicated in the OP. It’s not even clear how many times they crossed the Jordan. Point is, is there another way to read it?


46 posted on 11/30/2012 2:50:27 PM PST by DaveMSmith (Evil Comes from Falsity, So Share the Truth)
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To: DaveMSmith

So you exclude the Swedenborgian Church of North America as being the one true church or part thereof, seeing as they support no less an unscriptural practice as ordination ordination of homosexuals?

As with liberal so-called Christian denoms, there is a range of views within the different New Church denominations, from making homosexual Swedenborgians members of congregations to ordaining them, to an apparent rejection and shunning of them.


47 posted on 11/30/2012 5:43:01 PM PST by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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To: DaveMSmith
This is a style of writing. The writer of Joshua 3 and 4 uses what is termed an “overlay” technique. In Joshua 3 he first explains the general crossing. In Joshua 4 the writer returns to various points in the event to emphasize details in the crossing such as the stones for a memorial, the successful crossing by all Israel, and the renewed flow of the water. This technique is used in several places in the Old Testament including Genesis 1 and 2 where, at the end of Genesis 1, God rested and at the beginning of Genesis 2 God is still creating.

It is simply a matter that the writer is emphasizing this major event. Not since the Red Sea, nor to my knowledge after this event, has God parted the waters. This was a significant and miraculous event and was deemed important enough by the writer to tell what happened and to explain significant events as it was happening.

48 posted on 11/30/2012 5:43:43 PM PST by HarleyD
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To: HarleyD; DaveMSmith

BTW-Those who don’t believe God parted the Red Sea probably find this event a little hard to believe as well. This is the hardness of our hearts. Even if we see someone raised from the dead, we still don’t believe.


49 posted on 11/30/2012 5:49:37 PM PST by HarleyD
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BTW (2) - If we want to know what alienate God from ourselves, it’s that we simply don’t believe God. God states in Genesis 6 how His Spirit “shall not strive with man”. And that’s our condition. God is perfect love, constantly reaching out to us. We are constantly rejecting that love. We are the ones to strive against God.

No better evidence of this striving can be than how people treat God’s word. God spends 2,000 years writing a book to us and we turn around and say we don’t believe it. We look for mistakes and errors rather than trying to understand what our loving Father is teaching us from it’s pages.


50 posted on 11/30/2012 6:16:49 PM PST by HarleyD
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