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What the Pope Really Said About Christmas
First Things ^ | November 30, 2012 | Kevin M. Clarke

Posted on 11/30/2012 3:00:48 PM PST by NYer

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Kevin M. Clarke is an adjunct professor of New Testament Greek at John Paul the Great Catholic University in San Diego, California. He is the author of a chapter on Benedict XVI’s Mariology in De Maria Numquam Satis: The Significance of the Catholic Doctrines on the Blessed Virgin Mary for All People, and writes for Lay Witness and Zenit.
1 posted on 11/30/2012 3:00:55 PM PST by NYer
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To: netmilsmom; thefrankbaum; Tax-chick; GregB; saradippity; Berlin_Freeper; Litany; SumProVita; ...

Catholic ping!


2 posted on 11/30/2012 3:01:48 PM PST by NYer ("Before I formed you in the womb I knew you." --Jeremiah 1:5)
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To: NYer

Jesus was probably born in the summer.

Why is that a big deal? I thought everyone pretty much agreed to that.

Does it really matter when it is celebrated?


3 posted on 11/30/2012 3:03:05 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: NYer

It’s just another example of how hard the scum are working to spread divisions among Christians.


4 posted on 11/30/2012 3:12:03 PM PST by Rashputin (Jesus Christ doesn't evacuate His troops, He leads them to victory.)
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To: NYer

great analyst — and per the news, I also second the author’s point of view that the press should always be under “suspicion and doubt!”


5 posted on 11/30/2012 3:33:04 PM PST by BCW (http://babylonscovertwar.com/index.html)
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To: NYer

Great post.

And, in case I forget to send you this Christmas greeting,

“Gloria in excelsis Deo! Et in terra pax hominibus bonae voluntatis!


6 posted on 11/30/2012 3:51:08 PM PST by paterfamilias
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To: GeronL

For those without faith no explanation is possible to those with faith no explanation is necessary


7 posted on 11/30/2012 3:58:24 PM PST by longfellowsmuse (last of the living nomads)
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To: NYer

If journalists were slightly familiar with the bible, they would not that a manger is a place where feed is put for animals.


8 posted on 11/30/2012 3:58:24 PM PST by Raycpa
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To: NYer
These mischaracterizations of the Pope's words serve to underscore how the endless stream of deliberate dishonesty, deceit, distortion, and outright lies from the "mainstream media", (as well as from politicians like B.O., Biden, Sebelius, Clinton, Susan Rice, Pelosi, and the rest of this corrupt administration and their prevaricating partners), all share a common origin, as highlighted so masterfully by The Master:

   "You are of your father the devil, and your will is to do your father's desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, and has nothing to do with the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks according to his own nature, for he is a liar and the father of lies."    - John 8:44

9 posted on 11/30/2012 4:04:04 PM PST by Heart-Rest ("I have set before you life and death, blessing and curse; therefore choose life" Deuteronomy 30:19)
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To: Raycpa
If journalists were remotely familiar with farming they would also know what a manger is.

They are blinder - and uglier - than naked mole-rats.

10 posted on 11/30/2012 4:05:08 PM PST by agere_contra ("An unjust law ceases to be a law: it becomes an act of violence". Thomas Aquinas)
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To: BCW

Most of the press works overtime for the antichrist.


11 posted on 11/30/2012 4:06:29 PM PST by spudville
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To: NYer
Michael W. Smith "Gloria"GLORIA
12 posted on 11/30/2012 4:12:54 PM PST by dznutz
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To: BCW
the press should always be under “suspicion and doubt!”

As should the cabal of ignorant freepers who take the bait hook line and sinker whenever the media, that they usually reject, falsely reports on anything Catholic.

13 posted on 11/30/2012 4:53:40 PM PST by A.A. Cunningham (Barry Soetoro can't pass E-verify)
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To: GeronL

The birth of Christ on December 25 ?
A clear reading of the Holy Word of G-d would lead to another date.

A date commanded by YHvH with clear Biblical meaning and understanding.

Chanukah is a great time for followers of the Jewish Messiah to celebrate.
The eight day Feast of Chanukah echoes of the eight days of the Feast of Tabernacles
Chanukah was most likely when the "light of the world"
(John 8:12) entered human form and tabernacled among us.

Feast of Tabernacles is the birth day of Yah'shua.

This question is answered when you believe and trust
the Holy Word of Elohim in Luke 1.

Yah'shua's birth on Sukkot
(Sukkot is the Feast of Tabernacles or booths,
where we live in temporary shelters.
Sukkot is when YHvH took on a temporary
garment to be with His People
and to die as the Lamb of G-d on Pesach
in order to bring salvation to all
who would call on His Name:
(Romans 10:13 & Joel 2:32)
Yah'shua ( YHvH is become my salvation)).
Ps. 18:2, 46; 27:1; 35:9; 38:22; 88:1;
118:14; 119:174; 140:7; Isa. 12:2; 56:1;
61:10; Mic. 7:7; Hab. 3:18

Sukkot as the date is supported by Elizabeth's
pregnancy of John the Immerser.
The time sequence is outlined by the
Holy Word of Elohim in Luke 1 with Zacharias.

Zacharias served as a high priest and
based on his tribe, we know when he served
(1 Chronicles 24:7-18) and when he was
struck dumb and when John was conceived.

John would have been born on Pesach.
Most Jews believed that Elijah
would come at Pesach to announce
the coming of the Messiah (Malachi 4:5).

Factor in when Miriam visited her cousin Elizabeth,
Elizabeth was six months pregnant (Luke 1:26)
Thus the timing of Yah'shua's birth can be ascertained.

John (1:14) tells us that Yah'shua was made flesh
and tabernacled among us.

The word "dwelt" in the Koine Greek is:

σκηνόω Strong's G4637 - skēnoō
1) to fix one's tabernacle,
have one's tabernacle,
abide (or live) in a tabernacle (or tent),
tabernacle
2) to dwell

Eight days after the beginning of Sukkot is
another Holy Feast Day called Shemini Atzeret.

Eight days after a Jewish male is born he is circumcised.

After the Eighth day comes the the most Joyous day:
Simchat Torah or
the rejoicing in the Torah (The Word of Elohim).

Nine months back from Sukkot is Chanukah
where the light entered the temple.

Biblical Dates for the Birth of Yochanan the Immerser
and for the Conception and Birth of Yeshua HaMashiach

shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach
14 posted on 11/30/2012 5:47:05 PM PST by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your teaching is my delight.)
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To: GeronL

Scripture says the shepherds were in the fields outside Bethlehem. That means it was after the rains started and the grass was growing. The rainey season starts in November and the pastures are ready for grazing starting in December. Turns out December 25 could be correct.


15 posted on 11/30/2012 6:08:26 PM PST by Varda
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To: NYer

Reading comprehension must not be a strength for many journalists.


16 posted on 11/30/2012 6:28:01 PM PST by FamiliarFace
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To: Varda

I thought they normally collected their taxes/census in summer


17 posted on 11/30/2012 6:58:26 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: Varda; GeronL
Scripture says the shepherds were in the fields outside Bethlehem.

One of my instructors at the seminary stated that it is even possible/ likely that there were shepherds that maintained the temple flock which was used for the regular sacrifice.

Luk 2:22 And when the time came for their purification according to the Law of Moses, they brought him up to Jerusalem to present him to the Lord Luk 2:23 (as it is written in the Law of the Lord, "Every male who first opens the womb shall be called holy to the Lord") Luk 2:24 and to offer a sacrifice according to what is said in the Law of the Lord, "a pair of turtledoves, or two young pigeons."

Due to his station in life Joseph would have had to offer a smaller sacrifice as outlined in the OT. Wealthier people would have had to offer more or they could have been for the priestly sacrifices as well.

18 posted on 12/01/2012 3:15:00 AM PST by verga (A nation divided by Zero!)
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To: GeronL
Jesus was probably born in the summer. Why is that a big deal? I thought everyone pretty much agreed to that. Does it really matter when it is celebrated?

So true - far too many get so caught up in the minutia of details (verified or not) that they lose sight of the gist of the message - Jesus was born and walked the earth as 100% God and 100% Man to develop a personal relationship with us and then let Himself be tortured and murdered by sinners that sinners might know eternal salvation because of the spilling of His Holy Blood to wash away our sins.

I can't figure why folks let themselves get diverted from this message - I sat in a seat and tears ran down my face when I first heard and truly understood the message and that is the day i was saved.

19 posted on 12/01/2012 4:21:39 AM PST by trebb (Allies no longer trust us. Enemies no longer fear us.)
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that is the day i was saved.(sic)

You won't know that until your particular judgment, just as Scripture teaches.

20 posted on 12/01/2012 5:42:31 AM PST by A.A. Cunningham (Barry Soetoro can't pass E-verify)
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