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The Demographic that Should Keep Rove Awake at Night
Religion Dispatches ^ | Nov. 26, 2012 | Katherine Stewart

Posted on 11/30/2012 9:15:36 PM PST by filbert00

Imagine a demographic that has doubled its share of the population over the past two decades, is up by 25 percent over the past four years, and now accounts for as many as one in five Americans. Imagine that this demographic votes disproportionately for one political party—to the tune of 70 percent for Obama versus 26 percent for Romney in the 2012 election. Sounds like a demographic that ought to be of interest to politicians, journalists, and activists, right?

That demographic consists of people who describe themselves as atheist, agnostic, or religiously unaffiliated—the “nones,” as they’re sometimes called. And it hasn’t attracted anywhere near the attention it deserves in the postgame analysis of the 2012 election.

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TOPICS: Current Events; General Discusssion; Religion & Culture; Religion & Politics
KEYWORDS: americancrossroads; karlrove; teaparty

1 posted on 11/30/2012 9:15:40 PM PST by filbert00
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To: filbert00

First you need a conscience.


2 posted on 11/30/2012 9:26:23 PM PST by MestaMachine (It's the !!!!TREASON!!!!, stupid!)
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To: MestaMachine

I agree they a a growing group, which will ultimately wield no influence over the course of human events.

Revelations 3:15-16 (KJV)” I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot. 16 So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth.”


3 posted on 11/30/2012 9:43:34 PM PST by One Name (Ultimately, the TRUTH is a razor's edge and no man can sit astride it.)
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To: filbert00

I’m sure that Rove fears the Conservative demographic the most. The last two wishy-washy candidates he’s backed have been trounced, largely because conservatives stayed home.


4 posted on 11/30/2012 9:44:56 PM PST by Washi
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To: One Name

The Catholic church is an anvil that has worn out many a hammer. Sandra Fluke, Katherine Sebilius and the phoney messiah will be footnotes long after the church is stll around.


5 posted on 11/30/2012 9:51:03 PM PST by Blackirish
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To: Washi

Conservatives stayed home to re-elect Pharoah Obama?

Nice work there.

Darwin was right.


6 posted on 11/30/2012 9:55:15 PM PST by quantim (Victory is not relative, it is absolute.)
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To: filbert00

Why would he fear them??? He’s part of them.


7 posted on 11/30/2012 10:02:08 PM PST by Uncle Chip
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To: Blackirish

I love your analogy.

I learned to shoe horses at a school in Memphis, Tennessee.

I worked in the “Blacksmith” shop- Forging and Heat Treating at Newport News Shipbuilding.

Many years ago I was a member of the Intl. Brotherhood of Iron Ship Builders, Blacksmiths, Forgers and Helpers. (AFL-CIO)

I still have my first anvil from the Memphis days; can’t count the number of hammers I’ve owned.


8 posted on 11/30/2012 10:05:06 PM PST by One Name (Ultimately, the TRUTH is a razor's edge and no man can sit astride it.)
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To: quantim

Will the man who first brought government healthcare and fines for falling to do something, as well as the one who implemented homosexuals calling themselves married please step forward? Enough of the bull. Romney has never proved himself to have the slightest inclination other than to forward the liberal agenda. Difference from Obama? Romney actually works for it.


9 posted on 11/30/2012 10:19:19 PM PST by kingu (Everything starts with slashing the size and scope of the federal government.)
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To: Blackirish

I think you’re being excessively generous with the ‘footnotes’ appellation.


10 posted on 11/30/2012 10:22:20 PM PST by steve86 (Acerbic by Nature, not NurtureĀ™)
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To: One Name

Yes if over 2000 years it has triumphed over the likes of the Romans, Stalin, Mao I’m not all that worried over the survival of the church. The US I am concerned about.


11 posted on 11/30/2012 10:24:31 PM PST by Blackirish
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To: Blackirish

The current clown administration could f_ck up a crowbar in a sandpile...


12 posted on 11/30/2012 10:30:33 PM PST by One Name (Ultimately, the TRUTH is a razor's edge and no man can sit astride it.)
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To: quantim
Conservatives stayed home to re-elect Pharoah Obama?

No, they didn't stay home to re-elect Obama, they stayed home because the candidate that Rove and the GOP elite forced on us was 2,000,000 votes less motivating than even McCain.

Stay tuned. Rove will do it again in 2016 with Jeb Bush.

13 posted on 11/30/2012 10:33:54 PM PST by Washi
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To: quantim
"Conservatives stayed home to re-elect Pharoah Obama?
Nice work there.
Darwin was right."

Are we missing something here?

As in "Evangelical Conservatives stayed home to re-elect Pharoah Obama...
Nice work there.
Darwin was right.

14 posted on 11/30/2012 10:34:31 PM PST by norton
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To: Blackirish
...And was spanked by the Corsican Napoleon.

No more Papal States. Did leave them Vatican City though.

15 posted on 11/30/2012 10:41:06 PM PST by BlueDragon (in essentials, unity; in doubtful matters, liberty; in all things, charity)
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To: BlueDragon

True but so far it’s held off what may be it’s biggest threat..Islam.

An aside did you know that the Vatican has a library that has 21 MILES of bookshelves? Many of the works are some of the oldest manuscripts in existence. It’s so vast that no one even the head curator knows all that it contains. They have a full time staff that all they do is restore day in and out. It’s only accessible to scholars and no one is allowed to leave with a book. Accept one person of course. They are putting much of it as they can online so you can read it from home.


16 posted on 11/30/2012 10:52:34 PM PST by Blackirish
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To: filbert00

Is this writer joking? It’s out that Rove is an atheist, even though he didn’t advertise it. Hitchens asked him about it.


17 posted on 11/30/2012 11:21:48 PM PST by nickcarraway
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To: Blackirish

Well, President Obama successfully made Catholics not equal citizens of the Unites States. And so far the bishops can’t even decide if they are against it.


18 posted on 11/30/2012 11:31:49 PM PST by nickcarraway
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To: Blackirish
I thought of that library, and many other things, when considering what the 'ol half-pint did.

If memory serves, Napoleon gave orders to protect the place (though some damage to other documents may have occurred?)

later, Llorente spent some long months in the library researching his book on the history of the Inquisition.

19 posted on 11/30/2012 11:32:15 PM PST by BlueDragon (in essentials, unity; in doubtful matters, liberty; in all things, charity)
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To: nickcarraway
"Karl Rove refutes atheist Christopher Hitchens' claims" Source
20 posted on 11/30/2012 11:37:16 PM PST by filbert00
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To: filbert00

I don’t understand, he admitted it at one time, why is he so ashamed of it now? This has been over a whole lifetime, not just recently.


21 posted on 11/30/2012 11:44:49 PM PST by nickcarraway
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To: filbert00

Okay, in some places, Rove has called himself an agnostic, but it seems clear he was doing that for PR reasons.


22 posted on 11/30/2012 11:54:07 PM PST by nickcarraway
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To: Washi
"was 2,000,000 votes less motivating than even McCain."

Not true. 2012 2008

23 posted on 12/01/2012 12:07:56 AM PST by filbert00
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To: One Name

Revelation 3:15-16 is not addressed to atheists and agnostics, but rather to believers. Jesus just a few verses later (19) says “As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten. Therefore be zealous and repent.” And in Hebrews 12:6ff “Whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son he receiveth. If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not? But if ye be without chastisement, where of all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons.”

This 70% group that likes Obama are bastards, children of wrath not chastisement.


24 posted on 12/01/2012 2:59:54 AM PST by nonsporting
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To: Washi
Actually, the GOP vote has been increasing for 20 years:
1996   Dole     37,816,307
2000   Bush     50,459,211
2004   Bush     59,130,092
2008   McCain   59,948,323
2012   Romney   60,265,579

25 posted on 12/01/2012 3:21:30 AM PST by wildandcrazyrussian
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To: nickcarraway

The only thing Rove has an undying love for and attachment to is his bank account.


26 posted on 12/01/2012 3:34:49 AM PST by COBOL2Java (GOPe: Already prepping for their 2016 loss - Jeb Bush!)
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To: filbert00

A harvest of missionary opportunities for Christian missionaries.


27 posted on 12/01/2012 4:21:22 AM PST by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: wildandcrazyrussian; filbert00
I stand corrected, then.

My numbers came from this site:

Us election 2012: Republican recriminations as Romney gets fewer votes than McCain

With the final votes still being counted in Florida, Mr Romney had yesterday accrued 57.8 million votes to Mr Obama's 60.6 million, amid the lowest turnout in a decade.

In 2008, Mr McCain received 59.9 million votes while losing to Mr Obama. Mr Romney also attracted less support than John Kerry, who in 2004 received 59 million votes when he lost to Mr Bush.

The "With the final votes still being counted" part is likely why my numbers are wrong.

My assertion stands, however, that Rove is not conservative, he cultivates and promotes non-conservative candidates, and that those candidates will never engender enough conservative enthusiasm to win an election.

28 posted on 12/01/2012 8:28:14 AM PST by Washi
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To: filbert00

Lumping “religiously unaffiliated” with “atheist” is an incredibly dishonest ploy.

It’s like lumping all “independents” with “socialists”.

A person who is religiously unaffiliated would say he is an atheist if that is what he is.


29 posted on 12/01/2012 11:03:53 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True supporters of our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: filbert00

lying with statistics, of course.

First, she assumes everyone without a church doesn’t believe in a deity

Then she assumes that those who never thought about these things but watch all the trendy atheist type stuff are atheists

Then she assumes that all agnostics or people who have questions if God exists or those in a crisis of faith are atheists

Finally, she assumes that no one changes their mind.

Technically, the number of actual atheists hasn’t increased much: most are in the other categories.


30 posted on 12/01/2012 5:42:30 PM PST by LadyDoc
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To: Washi
Grow up. It's time to put away this foolishness. The GOP elite did not force Romney down anyone's throat and even if they did, Romney is far superior to Obama.

It is also false that Romney got 2,000,000 votes less than McCain. IIRC, at last count, Romney actually has more than McCain so be accurate.

Why do you fear Jeb Bush--just don't vote for him. No one is going to go into a voting booth and hold a gun to your head to made sure you vote Bush. This irrational behavior here on FR has got to stop. We have a job to do and that is to try to save our country BUT I fear it may be too late. Too many here on FR have more fun trying to be perpetual victims and whine, whine, whine.

Maybe it's time to start thinking about who you want next and don't worry about the GOPe because they're not a factor. You can support anyone you want.

31 posted on 12/01/2012 5:56:04 PM PST by Conservativegreatgrandma
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To: Washi
"According to the National Popular Vote Tracker, Governor Romney garnered 59,979,858 votes this election cycled compared to Senator McCain in 2008 who picked up 59,948,323 votes. President Barack Obama, on the other hand, dropped about 5.5 million votes behind his 2008 total to 64,005,851 this year. "

From the Washington TImes.

32 posted on 12/01/2012 6:00:28 PM PST by Conservativegreatgrandma
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; ...
Note: this topic is from 11/30/2012.
That demographic consists of people who describe themselves as atheist, agnostic, or religiously unaffiliated -- the "nones," as they’re sometimes called. And it hasn’t attracted anywhere near the attention it deserves in the postgame analysis of the 2012 election.
Thanks filbert00.

33 posted on 02/06/2013 7:15:18 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Romney would have been worse, if you're a dumb ass.)
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