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Man says prayer group leader told him to kill wife
yahoo ^ | 12/1./2012 | BILL DRAPER

Posted on 12/01/2012 7:49:38 PM PST by Morgana

KANSAS CITY, Mo. (AP) — Less than three months after he stood as a groomsman in the wedding of two friends he had known since college in Texas, Micah Moore walked into a suburban Kansas City police department and unloaded a dark secret: He had taken the woman's life at the request of her new husband, a charismatic prayer group leader.

Police said Bethany Deaton's death initially appeared to be a suicide. Officers found a note and empty bottle of over-the-counter pain medication along with her body in a minivan parked by a lake on Oct. 30.

It wasn't until Moore confessed nearly two weeks later that police announced she had been killed. He is scheduled for a preliminary hearing on a first-degree murder charge Wednesday.

In the criminal complaint filed in support of the charge, police detailed a stunning series of allegations that Moore made as part of his confession.

Moore, 23, lived with Deaton and her husband, Tyler, in a communal home shared by male members of their prayer group. He told police that several members had sexually assaulted Bethany Deaton and that they were worried she would tell someone. Moore said that's when Tyler Deaton ordered him to kill Bethany Deaton, according to a criminal complaint.

(Excerpt) Read more at news.yahoo.com ...


TOPICS: Charismatic Christian; General Discusssion
KEYWORDS: crime; murder
creepy
1 posted on 12/01/2012 7:49:46 PM PST by Morgana
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To: Morgana

Just wait. They’ll try to link him with some Christian group and say “See that! They’re just like Muslims”


2 posted on 12/01/2012 7:52:15 PM PST by SkyDancer (Live your life in such a way that the Westboro church will want to picket your funeral.)
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To: Morgana; SkyDancer

A cult that lived in a “communal home”....

shocking


3 posted on 12/01/2012 7:56:50 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: GeronL

Well that explains that. But you watch, the MSM will try to equate them to/with radical Islam. Muslim honor killings and all that.


4 posted on 12/01/2012 7:59:48 PM PST by SkyDancer (Live your life in such a way that the Westboro church will want to picket your funeral.)
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To: Morgana

Anything like a commune.... stay away

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2964820/posts?page=12

Fair Shares for Everyone


5 posted on 12/01/2012 8:06:45 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: Morgana

ALWAYS do what your prayer group leader says, no matter how crazy it sounds.


6 posted on 12/01/2012 8:20:57 PM PST by nickcarraway
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To: Morgana

This is so sad for this poor woman. I hope the confessor is lying and all those other horrible things didn’t really happen to her. If he’s telling the truth, what a bunch of sickos!


7 posted on 12/01/2012 8:27:35 PM PST by Tired of Taxes
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To: SkyDancer
They’ll try to link him with some Christian group and say “See that! They’re just like Muslims”

Oh no. they are much worse.

8 posted on 12/01/2012 8:29:26 PM PST by nickcarraway
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To: nickcarraway

lol


9 posted on 12/01/2012 8:30:00 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: SkyDancer

They members of IHOP. That is already known.


10 posted on 12/01/2012 8:30:23 PM PST by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, 5:13; John 3:17-18, 6:69, 11:25, 14:6, 20:31; Rom10:8-11; 1 Tim 2:5; Titus 3:4-5)
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To: F15Eagle

Radical group they are too. Or the other IHOP?


11 posted on 12/01/2012 8:43:51 PM PST by SkyDancer (Live your life in such a way that the Westboro church will want to picket your funeral.)
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To: nickcarraway

The IHOP group or the Muslims?


12 posted on 12/01/2012 8:44:58 PM PST by SkyDancer (Live your life in such a way that the Westboro church will want to picket your funeral.)
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To: nickcarraway
ALWAYS do what your prayer group leader says, no matter how crazy it sounds.

Say what?

13 posted on 12/01/2012 8:53:48 PM PST by Bullish (The stench from this amateur regime stinks all the way to Kenya.)
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To: Morgana

it’s either a horrific crime, or it’s a crazy guy making up a story. A confession isn’t always accurate.

What did the autopsy say? Is there any “hard evidence” at the scene of the crime? What about the therapist? (if she was killed or committed suicide, it’s a potential lawsuit against the therapist). Was she pregnant? Was there sperm or other evidence to connect her with others?


14 posted on 12/01/2012 9:13:00 PM PST by LadyDoc
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To: Morgana
One reason I am suspicious:

Police said Bethany Deaton's death initially appeared to be a suicide. Officers found a note and empty bottle of over-the-counter pain medication along with her body in a minivan parked by a lake on Oct. 30.

over the counter pain medicines are not easily fatal. Tylenol can kill you, but usually after a few days when your liver fails. Aspirin and NSAIDS (e.g. advil) can kill you but usually if you overdose you throw up blood. Painkillers with benadryl (i.e. tylenol pm) could kill you but usually it makes you hallucinate when you overdose, and again there would be signs of anti histamine (in this case anticholinergic) overdose.

so why did the cops assume it was a suicide?

if she took narcotics, again there are both positive toxicology and evidence of death from anoxia.

15 posted on 12/01/2012 9:20:25 PM PST by LadyDoc
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To: SkyDancer

No need to link him. The leader was running what purported to be a “Christian” prayer group.

I think there’s an important distinction here. If Muslims anywhere in the world do something similar, a lot of freepers make snide comments about the ROP.

Well, this appears to be a murder committed by (people who claim to be) Christians. So should we make the same remarks about Christianity?

Here’s the distinction. Some murders committed by Muslims are (they claim, with a great deal of evidence that it is the case) justified and required by their religion. The Koran and other Muslim scriptures specifically call for the killings.

You just can’t say that about the Bible or other Christian scriptures. Christians comment crimes all the time, but it’s not because they’re carrying out Christ’s instructions, in fact they are violating them when they do so.

Some of the crimes Muslims commit really are required by their faith.


16 posted on 12/01/2012 9:29:20 PM PST by Sherman Logan
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To: SkyDancer

Certainly not the restaurant but then I don’t agree with Mike Bickle if what I have read about his “Egypt experience” is being accurately represented.


17 posted on 12/01/2012 10:41:27 PM PST by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, 5:13; John 3:17-18, 6:69, 11:25, 14:6, 20:31; Rom10:8-11; 1 Tim 2:5; Titus 3:4-5)
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To: Morgana

in oh so many ways


18 posted on 12/01/2012 11:24:02 PM PST by Nifster
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To: Morgana

From the link:

The Deatons’ prayer group had at least two houses, with women living in one and men in another. Bethany Deaton, 27, moved into the men’s house with Tyler Deaton after they married in August.

According to the criminal complaint, Moore told police that men in the house began drugging Bethany Deaton and sexually assaulting her soon after she moved in. He said she was seeing a therapist and group members became concerned she would tell the therapist about the assaults.

Moore and other men who lived in the house told police that several group members also were having sexual relations with Tyler Deaton, unbeknownst to his wife.


19 posted on 12/02/2012 1:59:10 AM PST by tired&retired
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To: Morgana

She was really pretty. Pic at this link: http://www.christianpost.com/news/bethany-deaton-death-prayer-group-leader-told-me-to-says-micah-moore-85782/


20 posted on 12/02/2012 2:01:29 AM PST by tired&retired
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To: Morgana

Here is an excellent Fox News Story about Bethany: http://sanctifiedchurchrevolution.blogspot.com/2012/11/murder-of-grandview-first-lady-bethany.html#.ULsnu1He_Kd

Her Obituary read:

Bethany Ann Leidlein Deaton, age 27, passed away on October 30, 2012 in Kansas City, Missouri.

Bethany was born on October 15, 1985 in San Antonio, Texas and was raised with her three sisters and brother in Arlington, Texas. Bethany was a delightful, inquisitive and precocious child and was home schooled until she entered Southwestern University in 2005. Upon graduating Magna Cum Laude with a BA in English and minor in Spanish in 2009, she moved to Kansas City, Missouri to intern at the International House of Prayer. She remained in community with a close association of friends during the following years. In August 2011, she enrolled in an accelerated nursing degree program and completed a BS in Nursing in August 2012. She married Tyler Deaton on August 18, 2012 and planned, along with her husband, to serve overseas as missionaries.

A brilliant, multi-faceted, and precious jewel, Bethany was a lover of books, writing, nature, deep conversations, dance, worship and most of all, Jesus. Her big blue eyes revealed a heart and soul full of love, tenderness, keen intelligence and passion for righteousness. Her strong, deeply reflective, and nurturing spirit ministered to all who knew her. She gently and quietly reached out to the lonely, the troubled and the hurting. She was fiercely loyal and brightened the lives of her family, friends and strangers with her radiant smile and life-affirming presence.


21 posted on 12/02/2012 2:14:43 AM PST by tired&retired
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To: metmom
Just an FYI. See above. The line pasted below is what caught my attention about this young woman who is reported to have been a victim of the most horrific crimes:

Bethany was a delightful, inquisitive and precocious child and was home schooled until she entered Southwestern University in 2005.

22 posted on 12/02/2012 11:07:47 AM PST by Tired of Taxes
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To: LadyDoc

Don’t most people usually throw up if they take too many drugs at once like in a suicide attempt? I believe they convulse and barf, is that is?


23 posted on 12/02/2012 11:58:03 AM PST by Morgana (Time to play cowboys and muslims.)
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To: tired&retired

FYI: The “International House of Prayer” denomination, of which Mrs. Deaton and her husband and murderer was a part of, is considered by some to be verging into a cult...

Christian “cults” can be categorized as groups with more or less orthodox Christian teachings, but with strong central leaders, and a LOT of personal control over members, and often with writings or teachings outside of the Bible given equal (or greater) weight than the Bible itself. They also tend to be exclusivistic—(i.e. they believe that their little group alone are the ONLY Christians in the world...).

The (Boston)International Churches of Christ, and the 7th Day Adventists would both be groups which could be called “Christian cults”, that is groups where the gospel is still there.....but, are so eccentric and exclusivisitc, as to be considered fringe groups. Some independent fundamentalist-Baptists are the same way...(though most don’t fit the parameters above).

I know the International House of Prayer is to be found in inner city areas, and often has odd-looking cherubim statues out front. Other than that, I really don’t know all that much about that group.


24 posted on 12/02/2012 12:01:00 PM PST by AnalogReigns (because the real world is not digital...)
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To: Morgana; All

From: http://solasisters.blogspot.com/2011/06/former-ihop-member-explains-why-ihop.html

Former IHOP Member Explains Why IHOP (International House of Prayer) Is A Cult
Posted by Christine Pack, reprinted in full, with permission from the author
(formerly published on The Gospel Masquerade blog)

International House of Prayer (IHOP)
A cult? Strong word you might say...and you are correct. It is not a word I use lightly or carelessly to label anything. But much prayer, time and years of research and personal experience have brought me to the conclusion that I can say confidently that the root system—or foundation—that IHOP is built on follows the basic premises and signs of a cult religious group. When I first left IHOP, I went through a severe culture shock that is hard to put into words. When I began studying the signs of cult fallout and the things that cult members go through after leaving a cult, my eyes began to open to what I had been a part of and recently come out of.

Below I have listed some common signs of cult operation. Below them, I cite in RED text short examples of my personal experiences at IHOP which illustrates these particular signs in action. After 5 years of being out of IHOP, I still hold to my position that it is a dangerous place for people’s hearts and have seen much destruction of families, relationships and marriages of those who have been involved with this movement.

I appreciate your taking the time to read and prayerfully consider the research and personal testimony I’ve included below.

1. A destructive cult tends to be totalitarian in its control of its members’ behavior. Cults are likely to dictate in great detail not only what members believe, but also what members wear and eat, when and where members work, sleep, and bathe, and how members think, speak, and conduct familial, marital, or sexual relationships.

Mike Bickle
As an intern at IHOP, our day to day lives were closely monitored and dictated. I was not allowed to go anywhere or leave IHOP premises without express verbal permission from a community leader except on our one day off. Our schedules started early in the morning with hours in the prayer room, then classes, then back to the prayer room. Our nights often ran late with required attendance at EGS (Encounter God Services) or any other special event Mike Bickle spoke at that we were required to attend. Sometimes we had to attend worship sets that ended at 10 pm or midnight. Sleep was minimal and was often un-restful when I did get it. Sleep deprivation is a commonly used tactic in many cult groups to weaken the mind and make a person more susceptible to the embracing of the doctrines taught by that cult. There are many biological and psychological effects of sleep deprivation on the mind.

2. A destructive cult tends to have an ethical double standard. Members are urged to be obedient to the cult, to carefully follow cult rules. They are also encouraged to be revealing and open in the group, confessing all to the leaders. On the other hand, outside the group they are encouraged to act unethically, manipulating outsiders or nonmembers, and either deceiving them or simply revealing very little about themselves or the group. In contrast to destructive cults, honorable groups teach members to abide by one set of ethics and act ethically and truthfully to all people in all situations.

Anyone who rebelled against IHOP’s rules went through a strict disciplinarian process. At its most minimal level of discipline, for an intern, this meant the loss of having a day off and having to do manual labor. Everyone was kept on a short leash. We also had weekly groups as interns that we were required to participate in where everyone was “interrogated” and pressured to open up and share their personal struggles, etc and answer personal questions about their lives, struggles, thoughts, fears, and walks with G-d. It often felt like going to some kind of confession (as in Catholicism) and some interns out and out refused to be so vulnerable and disclosing in front of people they did not know. We were all given journals and told that we had mandatory writing assignments to complete. We were to record details of our IHOP prayer room times, things God spoke to us, dreams, visions, or whatever else that happened in us spiritually and then had to turn in our journals weekly to have an internship leader review/read them. In the last month or so I was at IHOP, I paid particularly close attention to the fact that internship leaders ironically prayed things over me in prayer times or at the altar in the prayer room that related directly to things I had put in my journals. So what often might have seemed prophetic was the result of the information about me they already had access to.

3. A destructive cult has only two basic purposes: recruiting new members and fund-raising. Altruistic movements, established religions, and other honorable groups also recruit and raise funds. However, these actions are incidental to an honorable group’s main purpose of improving the lives of its members and of humankind in general. Destructive cults may claim to make social contributions, but in actuality such claims are superficial and only serve as gestures or fronts for recruiting and fund-raising. A cult’s real goal is to increase the prestige and often the wealth of the leader.

There was always an underlying pressure to bring people into IHOP. We were encouraged to invite others and get them to join what we were doing. IHOP campaigns big time to recruit new interns. At every conference, advertising and marketing videos are used to this day to promote the internships. They are played on large TV screens like presidential campaigns and are just part of the propaganda used to “sell” young people on this new version of what walking with God is supposed to look like.

Each intern paid $4,500 to attend a 6 month internship. This covered some books/teaching material we were given as well as food, lodging etc. Check this out though: Every intern lived in the Hernhutt apartments (located next door) which IHOP owned anyway so the only expense was utilities and general upkeep. There was no rent. Plus when there was a mandatory fasting day, weekend, week, etc. no meals were served. So those who didn’t choose to fast had to go out and buy food and no interns were not allowed to have jobs so this got to be a big expense since there wasn’t extra money to live on.

I lived in a 2-bedroom apartment. It housed 6 girls from the ages of 20-23. 4 of us shared one room and 2 shared another. The prayer room costs nothing to attend and is free and open to the public. So hmmm….$4,500 for meals, my electric bill and some IHOP books. I currently live in my own apartment, pay all of my own bills including rent, food, gasoline, renter’s insurance, credit card bills, student loans, electric, cell phone, etc etc and ALL of that costs me approximately $1,500 a month. So basic math says that someone was getting a big paycheck because my expenses would have never cost that in an internship program where we were given so little.

4. A destructive cult appears to be innovative and exclusive. The leader claims to be breaking with tradition, offering something novel, and instituting the ONLY viable system for change that will solve life’s problems or the world’s ills. But these claims are empty and only used to recruit members who are then surreptitiously subjected to mind control to inhibit their ability to examine the actual validity of the claims of the leader and the cult.

In the time I was there Mike often used “them and us” types of statements when referring to “the church” or those outside of IHOP. We were given a sense of being on the “cutting edge” because we were ahead of the church and were doing something new & innovative that was going to sweep the world. It all sounded good so everyone wanted to be in on it as a “forerunner” and liked the label of being on the front lines. So no one dared questioned it.

5. A destructive cult is authoritarian in its power structure. The leader is regarded as the supreme authority. He or she may delegate certain power to a few subordinates for the purpose of seeing that members adhere to the leader’s wishes. There is no appeal outside his or her system to a greater system of justice. For example, if a schoolteacher feels unjustly treated by a principal, an appeal can be made to the superintendent. In a destructive cult, the leader claims to have the only and final ruling on all matters.

Our family became friends with a Jewish couple who were in KC for a conference. They were part of the Ethiopian Jewish congregation in Israel and were missionaries in the US. They had some grave concerns and red flags (regarding IHOP’s theology, the model that is used with everything IHOP related, etc) that they attempted to meet with Mike and discuss. After being brushed off by Mike multiple times in his refusal to meet with him…even though they were Jewish leaders from Israel and Mike knew of them, he finally told these friends of ours that “This is how we do things here. This is just how IHOP is. It’s not for everyone.” If there was something you didn’t like or didn’t agree with, you were basically told “IHOP wasn’t for everyone so if you couldn’t handle it, maybe you shouldn’t be here.” There was no actual accountability for anything deemed wrong/un-Biblical. We were told that IHOP has its own “culture” and you must assimilate into that culture and language to really understand it. If you had a problem with something, you were told that you just had not been around long enough to understand how they did things OR that you just weren’t a good fit. These were the answers I was given when I met with internship leaders right before leaving. There was never actual admittance of wrong doing or hurting anyone who was caught in the crossfire.

6. A destructive cult’s leader is a self-appointed messianic person claiming to have a special mission in life. For example, leaders of flying saucer cults claim that beings from outer space have commissioned them to lead people away from Earth, so that only the leaders can save them from impending doom.

Every intern was required to listen to the 12 hours of IHOP’s recorded history on CD footage. Much of this content was heavily edited before its publication. These tapes told of “prophetic words” and signs that were given to some of Mike’s mentors (Bob Jones, Paul Cain, etc)—who were all naming him as the leader of the next “big thing” God was doing. Over and over and over again I’ve heard it said (both directly by Mike as well as from others) that he (Mike) would be the leader of a movement that “changed the nature and expression of Christianity in the earth”. Every time, all recognition points to Mike. His “mission” to transform the church and capture the hearts of America’s youth has been his declared goal since the early 1980’s. One of the major dangers is that these grandious sounding claims and “prophetic” words are laden with flattery, narcissism, elitism and are a perfect guise under which anything Mike introduces through IHOP can fall under the heading of being a “new thing” God is doing.

This elitist teaching puts Mike on a pedestal and he has a Messianic-like devoted following of people who would do anything if he told them to without a moment of questioning or hesitation. From my observations and experiences on staff, IHOP members do not think for themselves or question Mike’s interpretation of scripture or the slant in the way he teaches it. At any conference, one will easily observe that if Mike recommends a book or promotes a teaching, a t-shirt or a speaker, at the next break, ALL of that item will be sold out in their bookstore. When I was on staff, I heard people continually sing Mike’s praises around the clock and quote more of what Mike says or thinks or teaches than actual scripture.

Mike has an alluring charisma and many seem to be instantly drawn to his convincing appearance of direction and purpose. He teaches with passion and emotion rather than truth and it’s that charisma that draws and hooks people causing many to blindly follow (and defend) his message.

I believe that the IHOP lifestyle by and large sets people up for disillusionment through the false hope that its deception provides. It is a pseudo, manufactured reality where people are told “you can live in Nirvana and enjoy the ‘high’ of being in God’s presence 24/7 and that can be ALL that you live for” so people sell all that they have, buy into a dream and move across the country to be a part of a ministry that makes captivating claims…and then their world often crumble to ashes when things aren’t as they seem once they arrive.

Mike’s primary target and focus is on the young people. His appeals from the pulpit and his well-polished speeches aim at capturing the hearts of America’s youth. Children and youth are not told or encouraged to respect or honor the parents G-d gave them. Instead, wedges are driven between families and a seed of pride, rebellion and elitism gets planted into the hearts of youth when they are told things like the following…

This is a very close paraphrase of what I’ve heard many, many times at One Thing, IHOP conferences and in teachings by leaders:

“YOU are called to be on the cutting edge. Come here and join a community of other people who are like you, called to what you’re called to. We understand you. You’ve been mis-understood in the church. You’ve had your wings clipped, your gifts misunderstood. Here you can fulfill your forerunner calling that your family just hasn’t understood about you. You might feel like you don’t fit back home, you’re on the outside, no one understands the fire in you. Well we get it. You are the leaders that G-d is raising up in these end times and you will be kings and queens on the earth—reigning with Him. You were made for this place. IHOP is an incubator for people like you.”

Narcissistic speeches like this instill a sense of pride, arrogance and elitism in the hearts of youth who hear it and it feeds their need for validation and identity. They run to IHOP, leave their families, join internships…hoping that what they’ve heard is true. They go to IHOP looking for identity…instead of finding it in Jesus.

Once outside of the IHOP environment, they are terrified and overwhelmed by the “real” world and don’t know how to function in it when they’ve been in an intensive internship environment. There is a degree of re-acclimating to normal life that feels like an IHOP detox afterward. It’s a severe emotional drop because the hyped up services and conferences that were your manna are now gone and when there is no prayer room, your life in God feels empty and lifeless. Many simply don’t know how to engage with God in a real day-to-day basis once they’ve left. I experienced this and heard the exact same thing from a handful of my friends after they left IHOP and the internship. At that point when disillusionment sets in, I know many interns that walked away from God completely upon leaving the internship and went back into lifestyles worse than the ones they left when they came to IHOP originally.

7. A destructive cult’s leader centers the veneration of members upon himself or herself. Priests, rabbis, ministers, democratic leaders, and other leaders of genuinely altruistic movements focus the veneration of adherents on God or a set of ethical principles. Cult leaders, in contrast, keep the focus of love, devotion, and allegiance on themselves.

I believe my statements above illustrate this so I won’t be redundant.

8. A destructive cult’s leader tends to be determined, domineering, and charismatic. Such a leader effectively persuades followers to abandon or alter their families, friends, and careers to follow the cult. The leader then takes control over followers’ possessions, money, time, and lives.

Youth are pumped up at conferences and then go home to tell their parents they are moving to Kansas City to join IHOP, be part of an internship, etc. At the time, sadly, they don’t realize how much more they are giving up and leaving behind than just their families. I was hurled into a system that took control of my time, when I ate, slept, had time alone, etc. Picking up the pieces of my heart and rebuilding a Biblical view of God after getting outside of IHOP was quite a long process. I hope that by sharing all of this, I am able to spare others the heartache of what I went through.

Please don’t just take my word for it. Start doing your own research. Ask the Father to lead you as you pursue what is TRUTH. Don’t just stop at the facts—look deeper. Do Google searches on cults and ask the Lord to unveil deceptions.

Blessings to you on your journey of walking with Him.


25 posted on 12/02/2012 12:09:43 PM PST by AnalogReigns (because the real world is not digital...)
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To: AnalogReigns

I’m familiar with Christian Cult like groups. I’ve worked with and studied them for twenty+ years. I’m very familiar with the charismatic groups, the horse & buggy Amish & Mennonites, and the Messianic Jews.

Much of my research in mind control was based upon observing them first hand from inside the groups.

When sexual promiscuity is part of the group leader’s actions, you can bet it is trouble.


26 posted on 12/02/2012 2:54:58 PM PST by tired&retired
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To: AnalogReigns; 1000 silverlings; Alex Murphy; bkaycee; blue-duncan; boatbums; caww; ...

Of possible interest ping


27 posted on 12/02/2012 3:36:51 PM PST by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: tired&retired; Elsie; Colofornian; greyfoxx39
When sexual promiscuity is part of the group leader’s actions, you can bet it is trouble.

Like Traditional Mormonism!

28 posted on 12/02/2012 5:53:27 PM PST by Gamecock
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To: Gamecock

like David Koresh? Jim Jones?

all the above?


29 posted on 12/02/2012 5:59:24 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: AnalogReigns

IHOP is definitely a cult.

Just like the Children of God - whatever they call themselves now


30 posted on 12/02/2012 6:01:05 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: AnalogReigns; metmom; Larry Lucido
IHOP and IHOP.
Prayer and Pancakes.

Ya think the ubiquitous pancake restaurant is really a front for recruitment?

I've heard that in the past carpet-cleaners have tried this ploy.

31 posted on 12/02/2012 6:01:08 PM PST by Gamecock
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To: tired&retired

FReepmail.......


32 posted on 12/02/2012 6:47:57 PM PST by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: Gamecock

There is a pretty good group called “Beer & Bible” that meets frequently at a local tavern here in Raleigh NC.


33 posted on 12/02/2012 7:00:33 PM PST by tired&retired
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To: Sherman Logan
Well, this appears to be a murder committed by (people who claim to be) Christians. So should we make the same remarks about Christianity?

NO.

But the ONLY group, that I am aware of, that CLAIM to be 'christian' is MORMONism.

34 posted on 12/02/2012 7:43:43 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: tired&retired
When sexual promiscuity is part of the group leader’s actions, you can bet it is trouble.


The Doctrine and Covenants

Section 132

Revelation given through Joseph Smith the Prophet, at Nauvoo, Illinois, recorded 12 July 1843, relating to the new and everlasting covenant, including the eternity of the marriage covenant, and also the plurality of wives (see History of the Church, 5:501–7). Although the revelation was recorded in 1843, it is evident from the historical records that the doctrines and principles involved in this revelation had been known by the Prophet since 1831.
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58–66, Laws governing the plurality of wives are set forth.


 

58 Now, as touching the law of the apriesthood, there are many things pertaining thereunto.

59 Verily, if a man be called of my Father, as was aAaron, by mine own voice, and by the voice of him that bsent me, and I have endowed him with the ckeys of the power of this priesthood, if he do anything in my name, and according to my law and by my word, he will not commit dsin, and I will justify him.

60 Let no one, therefore, set on my servant Joseph; for I will justify him; for he shall do the sacrifice which I require at his hands for his transgressions, saith the Lord your God.

61 And again, as pertaining to the law of the priesthood—if any man espouse a virgin, and desire to espouse aanother, and the first give her consent, and if he espouse the second, and they are virgins, and have vowed to no other man, then is he justified; he cannot commit adultery for they are given unto him; for he cannot commit adultery with that that belongeth unto him and to no one else.

62 And if he have aten virgins given unto him by this law, he cannot commit adultery, for they belong to him, and they are given unto him; therefore is he justified.

63 But if one or either of the ten virgins, after she is espoused, shall be with another man, she has committed adultery, and shall be destroyed; for they are given unto him to amultiply and replenish the earth, according to my commandment, and to fulfil the promise which was given by my Father before the foundation of the world, and for their exaltation in the eternal worlds, that they may bear the souls of men; for herein is the work of my Father continued, that he may be bglorified.

64 And again, verily, verily, I say unto you, if any man have a wife, who holds the keys of this power, and he teaches unto her the law of my priesthood, as pertaining to these things, then shall she believe and administer unto him, or she shall be destroyed, saith the Lord your God; for I will destroy her; for I will magnify my name upon all those who receive and abide in my law.

65 Therefore, it shall be lawful in me, if she receive not this law, for him to receive all things whatsoever I, the Lord his God, will give unto him, because she did not believe and administer unto him according to my word; and she then becomes the transgressor; and he is exempt from the law of Sarah, who administered unto Abraham according to the law when I commanded Abraham to take aHagar to wife.

66 And now, as pertaining to this law, verily, verily, I say unto you, I will reveal more unto you, hereafter; therefore, let this suffice for the present. Behold, I am Alpha and Omega. Amen.


35 posted on 12/02/2012 7:46:23 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: tired&retired
When sexual promiscuity is part of the group leader’s actions, you can bet it is trouble.


 

Polygamy: How it all got Started


 
 
 
Joe: Hey Emma!   Guess what!?
 
Emma: You KNOW I hate these guessing games! What is it, Dear?
 
Joe: I heard a voice, probably the Lord, tell me I must take other wives.
 
Emma: WHAT!?   You ding bat!  Don't you KNOW what our precious BOOK says?   After all; YOU are the one that translated it!
 
Joe: Books; schmooks.   All I know is I've been COMMANDED to take other wives and you are to OBEY ME!!!
 
 
Emma:      "Though shalt NOT commit ADULTERY!!!"
 
 
Joe: Silly Woman!  You KNOW better than to take things out of CONTEXT!!!
 
 
 
 
 

 
...and the rest is HISTORY...
 

 
 
 
 
 
THE BOOK OF JACOB
THE BROTHER OF NEPHI
CHAPTER 2
 
  24 Behold, David and Solomon truly had many wives and concubines, which thing was abominable before me, saith the Lord.
  25 Wherefore, thus saith the Lord, I have led this people forth out of the land of Jerusalem, by the power of mine arm, that I might raise up unto me a righteous branch from the fruit of the loins of Joseph.
  26 Wherefore, I the Lord God will not suffer that this people shall do like unto them of old.
  27 Wherefore, my brethren, hear me, and hearken to the word of the Lord: For there shall not any man among you have save it be one wife; and concubines he shall have none;
  28 For I, the Lord God, delight in the chastity of women. And whoredoms are an abomination before me; thus saith the Lord of Hosts.
  29 Wherefore, this people shall keep my commandments, saith the Lord of Hosts, or cursed be the land for their sakes.
  30 For if I will, saith the Lord of Hosts, raise up seed unto me, I will command my people; otherwise they shall hearken unto these things.
  31 For behold, I, the Lord, have seen the sorrow, and heard the mourning of the daughters of my people in the land of Jerusalem, yea, and in all the lands of my people, because of the wickedness and abominations of their husbands.
  32 And I will not suffer, saith the Lord of Hosts, that the cries of the fair daughters of this people, which I have led out of the land of Jerusalem, shall come up unto me against the men of my people, saith the Lord of Hosts.
 

Or even HERE:
 

 1 Timothy 3:2-3
 2.  Now the overseer must be above reproach, the husband of but one wife, temperate, self-controlled, respectable, hospitable, able to teach,
 3.  not given to drunkenness, not violent but gentle, not quarrelsome, not a lover of money.
 
 
1 Timothy 3:12
   A deacon must be the husband of but one wife and must manage his children and his household well.
 
 
 Titus 1:6
   An elder must be blameless, the husband of but one wife, a man whose children believe and are not open to the charge of being wild and disobedient.



 
 
Emma: That's IT!   I'm LEAVING your sorry *!!!
 
Joe:  DARN you Emma; you were TOLD to accept this!!   Wait!!!   I hear a voice again!!!
 
 


 
THE
DOCTRINE AND COVENANTS
OF THE CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST OF LATTER-DAY SAINTS
SECTION 132
 
  51–57, Emma Smith is counseled (commanded) to be faithful and true; 58–66, Laws governing the plurality of wives are set forth.
 
 
  51 Verily, I say unto you: A commandment I give unto mine handmaid, Emma Smith, your wife, whom I have given unto you, that she stay herself and partake not of that which I commanded you to offer unto her; for I did it, saith the Lord, to aprove you all, as I did Abraham, and that I might require an offering at your hand, by covenant and sacrifice.
  52 And let mine handmaid, Emma Smith, areceive all those that have been given unto my servant Joseph, and who are virtuous and pure before me; and those who are not pure, and have said they were pure, shall be destroyed, saith the Lord God.
  53 For I am the Lord thy God, and ye shall obey my voice; and I give unto my servant Joseph that he shall be made ruler over many things; for he hath been afaithful over a few things, and from henceforth I will strengthen him.
  54 And I command mine handmaid, Emma Smith, to abide and acleave unto my servant Joseph, and to none else. But if she will not abide this commandment she shall be bdestroyed, saith the Lord; for I am the Lord thy God, and will destroy her if she abide not in my law.
  55 But if she will not abide this commandment, then shall my servant Joseph do all things for her, even as he hath said; and I will bless him and multiply him and give unto him an ahundredfold in this world, of fathers and mothers, brothers and sisters, houses and lands, wives and children, and crowns of beternal lives in the eternal worlds.
  56 And again, verily I say, let mine handmaid aforgive my servant Joseph his trespasses; and then shall she be forgiven her trespasses, wherein she has trespassed against me; and I, the Lord thy God, will bless her, and multiply her, and make her heart to brejoice.


36 posted on 12/02/2012 7:47:01 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Gamecock
Ya think the ubiquitous pancake restaurant is really a front for recruitment? I've heard that in the past carpet-cleaners have tried this ploy.

Where's a good spittake jpg when you really need one?

37 posted on 12/02/2012 7:47:34 PM PST by Alex Murphy ("If you are not firm in faith, you will not be firm at all" - Isaiah 7:9)
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To: tired&retired
When sexual promiscuity is part of the group leader’s actions, you can bet it is trouble.



38 posted on 12/02/2012 7:48:03 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Alex Murphy

39 posted on 12/02/2012 7:50:22 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie

When I say “claim to be Christian” I do so because I am not commenting on whether they are or are not Christians. In my opinion, people who do such a thing are by definition not really Christian.

Hang around here for a while and you can get into all sorts of discussions contrasting, for instance, Christians and Catholics.


40 posted on 12/02/2012 7:57:57 PM PST by Sherman Logan
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To: Morgana

do they throw up? Depends on the drugs, and if you take them all at once or a couple at a time.

Overdoses are common, but most fatal ones are from several sedative/narcotic/alcohol slowly putting a person to sleep.

The sad overdoses of tylenol are usually due to liver failure that doesn’t start for a couple of days, and there is an antidote if they come in and tell you about it. Aspirin overdoses usually cause folks to throw up.

Since narcotics are not over the counter, the scenerio made me wonder...


41 posted on 12/03/2012 1:04:20 AM PST by LadyDoc
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