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A Question for Israel About Their Messiah
The Ignorant Fishermen.com ^ | November 30, 2012 | DJP I.F.

Posted on 12/02/2012 5:10:34 AM PST by kindred

Sadly today the sons of Israel are OBLIVIOUS to the promises made to Abraham and the world by Almighty G-d about the very One who would come in his line, his SEED (single)? G-d's promise to the whole world is found in Abraham , "In your SEED shall ALL nations be blessed" (Gen. 18:18, 22:18, 26:4, 28:14, Gal. 3:6-14)! That SEED is referring to the Lamb of G-d that TAKES AWAY the transgressions of the ENTIRE world (Isa. 9:6-7, 53, Dan. 9:26, Micah 5:2, Gal. 3:6-14). The Messiah of Israel IS Almighty G-d the Son (Ps. 110:1, Prov. 30:4, Isa. 9:6-7, Mic. 5:2), the Lamb of G-d (Isa. 53, Dan. 9:26) and the RIGHTEOUS Branch of Almighty G-d (Jer. 23:5; 33:1)!

The Messiah of Israel IS Almighty G-d the Son, the Lamb of G-d and the RIGHTEOUS Branch of Almighty G-d!

Sadly the children of Abraham have been unbelievers and rejecters of Almighty G-d, the Torah and Pentitude and the RIGHTEOUS absolutes of Almighty G-d since day one as the Torah FULLY testifie. Their oppressed past has been a perpetual witness continual against them throughout the last 26 centuries (Ex. 32:9, Lev. 26, Deut. 9:6,-7; 31:27, Ezek. 39:22-27). In a lot of ways the nation of Israel has been no different then the gentile nations born of Babel (Gen. 11) and as a matter of fact according to Almighty G-d's Word, they at times have been far worse (2 Chron. 33:9, Ezek. 5:7). If ONLY the sons of Abraham fully comprehended Israel’s HOLY calling as Scripture dictates and had not put aside His Holy Word for vain traditions, fables and vain mitzvahs that can NEVER deliver a man's soul from his violations of the HOLY and PERFECT Law of Almighty G-d. Tragically - as the Holy Scripture teaches there has ONLY ever been but a remnant in Israel that has truly EVER possessed a heart for the G-d of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, Moses and David (Isa 1:9, 10:21-22, Jeremiah 23:3, 42:2, Micah 2:12, 7:18). Well did Isaiah say.

“Who hath believed our report? and to whom is the arm of the LORD revealed?” (Isaiah 53:1)

“And he said, Go, and tell this people, Hear ye indeed, but understand not; and see ye indeed, but perceive not. Make the heart of this people fat, and make their ears heavy, and shut their eyes; lest they see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and understand with their heart, and convert, and be healed." (Isa. 6:9-10)

"For though your people Israel be as the sand of the sea, yet a remnant of them shall return: the destruction decreed shall overflow with righteousness." (Isa. 10:22)

My beloved Jewish friend, may I ask you these very personal questions?

Where is YOUR atonement for your transgressions against the Holy Law of Almighty G-d (Lev. 17:11, Isa. 53)?

Where is YOUR sin-offering for your cleansing of transgressions against the Holy Law of Almighty G-d (Lev. 4, 17:11, Isa. 53)? , Where is YOUR lamb to offer in your place for your transgressions (Lev. 17:11, Isa. 53)?

Where is YOUR propitiation that FULLY satisfies the PERFECT RIGHTEOUS DEMANDS OF THE HOLY LAW OF G-D (Isa. 53:10-11, Zech. 12:8-14)?

Have you PERFECTLY kept the LAW of Moses with your whole HEART, SOUL and MIND (Deut. 6:5)?

My dear Jewish friend, ALL (Jew and Gentile) crucially need Almighty God's FULL SATISFYING propitiation which all the lambs of sacrifice pointed to but could NEVER take away (Ps. 40:6-8, Isa. 40:16). ETERNAL redemption is ONLY found in the PERFECT life, death and resurrection of the Messiah of Israel, the Branch of RIGHTEOUSNESS (Psalm 110:1, Isa 9:6-7, 53, Jer. 33:15, Zech. 12:10). The Messiah was born of the seed of woman and of the line of Abraham (Gen. 3:15, 12:3, Isa. 7:14, 9:6-7, Micah 5:2). He laid down His life and shed His Blood for the transgressions of the world and was rejected by both Jew and Gentile (Isa. 53:1-10, Dan. 9:26, Zech. 12:10). He was buried (Ps. 16:10, Isa 53:9) and triumphantly AROSE from the dead for our justification and now sits at the RIGHT HAND of ALMIGHTY G-D in Heaven (Psalm 16:10,110:1, Isa. 52:13, 53:12, 9:6-7). He will come again to redeem Israel and will establish His Kingdom from Israel (Psalm 110:1, Isa. 11:1-10, Dan. 2:44-45, 7:13-14, Micah 4:1-4, Zech. 12-14).

ETERNAL redemption is ONLY found in the PERFECT life, death and resurrection of the Messiah of Israel, the Branch of RIGHTEOUSNESS.

It is our sincere desire that you would come to know the Messiah of Israel and let the Word of the Lord open your eyes and heart to the realities of time and ETERNITY. Tragically Israel's WORST DAYS are not very far away and tragically they will NOT listen to Moses and Elijah who Almighty God will send to them in that Day (Mal. 4, Rev. 11:3-12). After a great and decisive victory over Israel's border enemies Israel will achieve a temporal peace and will become very prosperous (Ezek. 38:8). It will be at this time that Israel will enter into a treaty with a man on behalf of their defeated enemies for seven years (Dan. 9:27, Rev. 6:1-2). In the middle of that treaty - as the world is undergoing great war, pestilence and famine (Rev. 6-9) - this man will break His covenant with Israel (Dan. 7, Rev. 11:7, 13) and he will lead the world to FULLY seek to eradicate Israel from being a people (Deut. 4:30, Dan. 12, Jer. 30:4-7, Zech. 13:8-9, Rev. 12). It will take this GREAT TRIBULATION AND THE BATTLE OF ARMAGEDDON that will case Israel to FINALLY cry out to the LORD as He returns from Heaven's glory and they will greatly repent and be mightily converted (Isa. 63:1-4, 66:7-9, Zech. 12:1-4, :8-14, 13:1-2,6, 14:1-4, Rev. 1:7, 19:11-21).

It will FINALLY take this GREAT TRIBULATION AND THE BATTLE OF ARMAGEDDON that Israel will FINALLY cry out to the Lord as He returns from Heaven's glory and the will greatly repent and be mightily converted.

We are not far away from these days. My dear Jewish friend may you have an ear to hear today The Gospel call of the Messiah of Israel. May you by faith ask Almighty G-d to reveal to you through His Holy Word the Messiah of Israel and may you receive Him as your Lord and Savior (Ps.110:1, Isa. 53). Almighty G-d states in His precious Word, "For I know the thoughts that I think toward you, saith the LORD, thoughts of peace, and not of evil, to give you an expected end. Then shall ye call upon me, and ye shall go and pray unto me, and I will hearken unto you. And ye shall seek me, and find me, when ye shall search for me with all your heart." (Jer. 29:11-13).

Beloved, the Kingdom of Heaven is at hand!


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Israel is back in the land in unbeleif and yet are under the sovereign hand of God by Christ Jesus who is their and ours Savior,Prophet,Priest,and King and who will return to Israel after defeating all the enemies of His anointed Christ on the mountains of Zion at the end of the 7 year tribulation. He shall reign on the earth for 1000 years and then create a new heavens and earth after reaping His hosts of saved sinners, a.k.a. Saints in the Scriptures.

Zechariah 14

14:1 Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee.

14:2 For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.

14:3 Then shall the LORD go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle.

14:4 And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.

14:5 And ye shall flee to the valley of the mountains; for the valley of the mountains shall reach unto Azal: yea, ye shall flee, like as ye fled from before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah: and the LORD my God shall come, and all the saints with thee.

14:6 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the light shall not be clear, nor dark:

14:7 But it shall be one day which shall be known to the LORD, not day, nor night: but it shall come to pass, that at evening time it shall be light.

14:8 And it shall be in that day, that living waters shall go out from Jerusalem; half of them toward the former sea, and half of them toward the hinder sea: in summer and in winter shall it be.

14:9 And the LORD shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one LORD, and his name one.

14:10 All the land shall be turned as a plain from Geba to Rimmon south of Jerusalem: and it shall be lifted up, and inhabited in her place, from Benjamin's gate unto the place of the first gate, unto the corner gate, and from the tower of Hananeel unto the king's winepresses.

14:11 And men shall dwell in it, and there shall be no more utter destruction; but Jerusalem shall be safely inhabited.

14:12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the LORD will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.

14:13 And it shall come to pass in that day, that a great tumult from the LORD shall be among them; and they shall lay hold every one on the hand of his neighbour, and his hand shall rise up against the hand of his neighbour.

14:14 And Judah also shall fight at Jerusalem; and the wealth of all the heathen round about shall be gathered together, gold, and silver, and apparel, in great abundance.

14:15 And so shall be the plague of the horse, of the mule, of the camel, and of the ass, and of all the beasts that shall be in these tents, as this plague.

14:16 And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.

14:17 And it shall be, that whoso will not come up of all the families of the earth unto Jerusalem to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, even upon them shall be no rain.

14:18 And if the family of Egypt go not up, and come not, that have no rain; there shall be the plague, wherewith the LORD will smite the heathen that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.

14:19 This shall be the punishment of Egypt, and the punishment of all nations that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.

14:20 In that day shall there be upon the bells of the horses, HOLINESS UNTO THE LORD; and the pots in the LORD's house shall be like the bowls before the altar.

14:21 Yea, every pot in Jerusalem and in Judah shall be holiness unto the LORD of hosts: and all they that sacrifice shall come and take of them, and seethe therein: and in that day there shall be no more the Canaanite in the house of the LORD of hosts.

1 posted on 12/02/2012 5:10:41 AM PST by kindred
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To: kindred

Bible Babble


2 posted on 12/02/2012 5:16:35 AM PST by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 .....The fairest Deduction to be reduced is the Standard Deduction)
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To: kindred

Sobering prophecy, kindred.


3 posted on 12/02/2012 5:29:57 AM PST by stilloftyhenight
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To: kindred

Dear Ignorant Fisherman, You would not know Jesus if you tripped over Him.


4 posted on 12/02/2012 5:47:23 AM PST by HChampagne
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To: HChampagne; The Ignorant Fisherman

I know the Ignorant Fisherman personally, and have for 15 years or more, knew him as a brand new Christian and now as an adult parent of some darling kids

Yes, he knows Christ.

I wonder who YOUR father is?


5 posted on 12/02/2012 6:18:33 AM PST by RaceBannon (When Chuck Norris goes to bed, he checks under it for Clint Eastwood!)
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To: kindred
“And he said, Go, and tell this people, Hear ye indeed, but understand not; and see ye indeed, but perceive not. Make the heart of this people fat, and make their ears heavy, and shut their eyes; lest they see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and understand with their heart, and convert, and be healed." (Isa. 6:9-10)

Jeremiah 23:

22 But if they had stood in my counsel, and had caused my people to hear my words, then they should have turned them from their evil way, and from the evil of their doings. . .

6 posted on 12/02/2012 6:21:08 AM PST by conserv8
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To: kindred

The answer is that Paulism was a religion for gentiles, desinged to bring the Word to the gentiles, that the Jews already had. Unfortunately, under the name of your messiah, Jews were slaughtered for at least a thousand years. When the MESSIAH actually arrives, all that will stop.


7 posted on 12/02/2012 6:39:34 AM PST by Daveinyork (."Trusting government with power and money is like trusting teenaged boys with whiskey and car keys,)
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To: kindred

They’ve been reading Hebrew writings about 3500 years longer than you have. I’ll go with the experience. But thanx.


8 posted on 12/02/2012 6:40:07 AM PST by Invincibly Ignorant
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To: Invincibly Ignorant

The Torah is eternal. A “disciple” in biblical times can only mean one thing: one who studies and observes the Torah, under the guiding hand of a Rebbe or teacher. Are YOU a disciple? You certainly can quote passages from the bible, but if you are a disciple then you DO what your master does. How did your master live? By the “New Testament” record he lived a totally Torah observant life. Do you?


9 posted on 12/02/2012 7:24:42 AM PST by Torahman (Remember the Maccabees!)
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To: kindred

Jesus of Nazareth is just one of the aspirants to being the Mashiach. In his lifetime, a much better claimant was Sabbatai Zevi in the 17th Century, who convinced the vast majority of Jews in Europe that he was Mashiach, before being forcibly converted to Islam by the Sultan.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_messiah_claimants


10 posted on 12/02/2012 7:35:26 AM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy (Pennies and Nickels will NO LONGER be Minted as of 1/1/13 - Tim Geithner, US Treasury Sect)
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To: HChampagne

It is easy to recognize Jesus. It is spelled out in the Bible, if you read it.


11 posted on 12/02/2012 7:41:18 AM PST by bmwcyle (Women reelected Obama)
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To: Invincibly Ignorant

What about the the verse that says “The nations will be a light unto the Jews” and “Ten Jews will grab hold of a gentile and say ‘God is with you’”?

Oh wait, it actually says the other way around. Nevermind.


12 posted on 12/02/2012 7:46:34 AM PST by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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To: kindred
As a Christian who has served in Israel in Ministry for about 10 years, I might mention the lack of love and the accusatory tone of this screed is very offensive. This is made up of a collection of Christian sect viewpoints mixed liberally with prophetic word and error.

Rather than guess at prophecy and accuse your elder brother Judah of things, perhaps time studying Romans 10, and Romans 11, the words about Pride and the words about how after the Masters Plan, Judah will be your elder brother and leader for eternity.

Perhaps a little contemplation about how if Judah had not suffered all the indignity's of the blinders, you would be doomed to hell fire for eternity.

Now contemplate a loving Father that subjected his Son to suffering for mankind's sake, and also subjected his people to the same for the same reason. And contemplate the Wrath of a Holy Father who just read this screed against Judah.

Mirror time...

13 posted on 12/02/2012 8:15:28 AM PST by American in Israel (A wise man's heart directs him to the right, but the foolish mans heart directs him toward the left.)
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To: kindred

Deuteronomy 4:19 & Malachi 1:11


14 posted on 12/02/2012 8:32:21 AM PST by onedoug
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To: kindred

BEHOLD THE LAMB OF GOD!!
BEHOLD THE LAMB!!


15 posted on 12/02/2012 9:47:07 AM PST by Twinkie (ABORTION is GENOCIDE.)
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To: kindred

Where is YOUR atonement for your transgressions against the Holy Law of Almighty G-d (Lev. 17:11, Isa. 53)?

—We atone twice daily in prayer, and on the Day of Atonement.

Where is YOUR sin-offering for your cleansing of transgressions against the Holy Law of Almighty G-d (Lev. 4, 17:11, Isa. 53)? , Where is YOUR lamb to offer in your place for your transgressions (Lev. 17:11, Isa. 53)?

—We pray, according to a sacred liturgy written by the men of the Great Assembly (Sanhedrin...which I’m sure troubles you) [”...We will render the prayer of our lips in place of the sacrafice of bullocks...” Hosea 14:3” EVERY orthodox Jew knows that our prayer takes the place of the sacrafices we will offer again when Moshiach comes and G-d rebuilds the Holy Temple....without us blowing up any mosques mind you....]

Where is YOUR propitiation that FULLY satisfies the PERFECT RIGHTEOUS DEMANDS OF THE HOLY LAW OF G-D (Isa. 53:10-11, Zech. 12:8-14)?

—Ask your local orthodox rabbi what “teshuva” means...

Have you PERFECTLY kept the LAW of Moses with your whole HEART, SOUL and MIND (Deut. 6:5)?

—We strive to be “perfect” and our philosophy, which trumps all others, is that G-d wants our struggle with the temptation to sin. One step back, two leaps forward my Christian friend. We have objective commandments that bring G-d into the world in an absolute and literal sense. Unheard of in Christianity, no?

Finally, remember your 7 commandments: www.noahide.org...


16 posted on 12/02/2012 10:13:28 AM PST by Phinneous
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To: Daveinyork
"Unfortunately, under the name of your messiah, Jews were slaughtered for at least a thousand years."

And Christians were slaughtered by Jews for three hundred years following the death of Christ until the time of Constantine. God's wrath is severe.

17 posted on 12/02/2012 11:48:15 AM PST by circlecity
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To: circlecity

They were slaughtered by romans, who ruled the jews, and slaughtered them, too.


18 posted on 12/02/2012 11:53:32 AM PST by Daveinyork (."Trusting government with power and money is like trusting teenaged boys with whiskey and car keys,)
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To: Daveinyork

The Jews worked hand in hand with the Romans against the Christians. They turned in and informed on Christians throughout the great persecutions. Read Eusebius.


19 posted on 12/02/2012 11:56:03 AM PST by circlecity
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To: circlecity

Church propaganda, like the blood libel and the elders.


20 posted on 12/02/2012 11:57:56 AM PST by Daveinyork (."Trusting government with power and money is like trusting teenaged boys with whiskey and car keys,)
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To: circlecity

There were Jews who cooperated with Romans in killing other Jews, Like Flavius Josephus and Elisha ben Abuya. There are always evil indivuduals. Oppression of Jews was official Christian policy for at least a thousand years. When our Messiah comes, look out.


21 posted on 12/02/2012 12:01:27 PM PST by Daveinyork (."Trusting government with power and money is like trusting teenaged boys with whiskey and car keys,)
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To: Daveinyork
"Church propaganda, like the blood libel and the elders."

De-nile aint just a river. Sorry but there are too many witnesses. Polycarp is just one of the great early Christians turned in by the Jews. Every religion has plenty of baggage to carry.

22 posted on 12/02/2012 12:04:37 PM PST by circlecity
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To: circlecity

Witnesses? 2000 years ago? Believe what you want to believe.


23 posted on 12/02/2012 2:18:21 PM PST by Daveinyork (."Trusting government with power and money is like trusting teenaged boys with whiskey and car keys,)
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To: bert

A liberal wrote this post, trying to split freepers.


24 posted on 12/02/2012 2:19:19 PM PST by Daveinyork (."Trusting government with power and money is like trusting teenaged boys with whiskey and car keys,)
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To: Daveinyork
"Witnesses? 2000 years ago? Believe what you want to believe."

And I choose to believe that people could witness things 2000 years ago. And write about them. And people can still deny unpleasant realities today.

25 posted on 12/02/2012 3:46:01 PM PST by circlecity
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To: circlecity

Believe whatever mythology you want to believe. Jews had to be discredited for Paulism to spread.


26 posted on 12/02/2012 3:57:20 PM PST by Daveinyork (."Trusting government with power and money is like trusting teenaged boys with whiskey and car keys,)
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To: Daveinyork

You have no king but Caesar.....


27 posted on 12/02/2012 4:10:49 PM PST by circlecity
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To: circlecity

GOD is my King


28 posted on 12/03/2012 3:03:58 AM PST by Daveinyork (."Trusting government with power and money is like trusting teenaged boys with whiskey and car keys,)
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To: Torahman

Do you?


29 posted on 12/03/2012 11:45:13 AM PST by Invincibly Ignorant
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To: Torahman

I don’t find NT writings to be inspired. If you were other than a self proclaimed Torah, with a bit of Jesus sprinkled in, expert you’d probably realize the same. Carry on with the “replacement” exercises. I’ll observe while chuckling occasionally.


30 posted on 12/03/2012 11:52:56 AM PST by Invincibly Ignorant
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To: jjotto
What about the the verse that says “The nations will be a light unto the Jews” and “Ten Jews will grab hold of a gentile and say ‘God is with you’”?

Just another tortured out of context Christian interpretation. Nothing to see here.

31 posted on 12/03/2012 11:55:45 AM PST by Invincibly Ignorant
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy
Jesus of Nazareth is just one of the aspirants to being the Mashiach.

Now you're guessing. Dangerous stuff, especially when attempting to instruct those with knowledge AND wisdom. Care to re-examine your historical stab-in-the-dark?
32 posted on 12/03/2012 12:05:15 PM PST by Resettozero
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To: Resettozero

What guessing? Though there is no saying “who was right”, except by believers, there were lots of aspirants, and though the link I provided were some of the more prominent, human history is loaded with people who said they were special, endowed by God or gods, and were intended to be the saviors of their people.

Jesus is by far one of the best claimants, but that does not mean that he was the only one.


33 posted on 12/03/2012 1:08:50 PM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy (Pennies and Nickels will NO LONGER be Minted as of 1/1/13 - Tim Geithner, US Treasury Sect)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy

Science fiction can rot away your mind and soul. Historical fiction makes one just confused. But I understand what you are conveying to me. I’m headed in a different direction than you, in this matter. Maybe we’ll meet up one day.


34 posted on 12/03/2012 1:25:20 PM PST by Resettozero
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To: Phinneous

[Where is YOUR propitiation that FULLY satisfies the PERFECT DEMANDS OF THE HOLY LAW OF G-D (Isa. 53:10-11, Zech.12:8-14]

Hebrews

10:1 For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect.

10:2 For then would they not have ceased to be offered? because that the worshippers once purged should have had no more conscience of sins.

10:3 But in those sacrifices there is a remembrance again made of sins every year.

10:4 For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins.

10:5 Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:

10:6 In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin thou hast had no pleasure.

10:7 Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God.

10:8 Above when he said, Sacrifice and offering and burnt offerings and offering for sin thou wouldest not, neither hadst pleasure therein; which are offered by the law;

10:9 Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second.

10:10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.

10:11 And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins:

10:12 But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;

10:13 From henceforth expecting till his enemies be made his footstool.

10:14 For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.

10:15 Whereof the Holy Ghost also is a witness to us: for after that he had said before,

10:16 This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;

10:17 And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.

10:18 Now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin.

10:19 Having therefore, brethren, boldness to enter into the holiest by the blood of Jesus,

10:20 By a new and living way, which he hath consecrated for us, through the veil, that is to say, his flesh;

10:21 And having an high priest over the house of God;

10:22 Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience, and our bodies washed with pure water.

10:23 Let us hold fast the profession of our faith without wavering; (for he is faithful that promised;)

10:24 And let us consider one another to provoke unto love and to good works:

10:25 Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching.

10:26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,

10:27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.

10:28 He that despised Moses’ law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:

10:29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?

10:30 For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people.

10:31 It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.

10:32 But call to remembrance the former days, in which, after ye were illuminated, ye endured a great fight of afflictions;

10:33 Partly, whilst ye were made a gazingstock both by reproaches and afflictions; and partly, whilst ye became companions of them that were so used.

10:34 For ye had compassion of me in my bonds, and took joyfully the spoiling of your goods, knowing in yourselves that ye have in heaven a better and an enduring substance.

10:35 Cast not away therefore your confidence, which hath great recompence of reward.

10:36 For ye have need of patience, that, after ye have done the will of God, ye might receive the promise.

10:37 For yet a little while, and he that shall come will come, and will not tarry.

10:38 Now the just shall live by faith: but if any man draw back, my soul shall have no pleasure in him.

10:39 But we are not of them who draw back unto perdition; but of them that believe to the saving of the soul.

IS.
53:1 Who hath believed our report? and to whom is the arm of the LORD revealed?

53:2 For he shall grow up before him as a tender plant, and as a root out of a dry ground: he hath no form nor comeliness; and when we shall see him, there is no beauty that we should desire him.

53:3 He is despised and rejected of men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief: and we hid as it were our faces from him; he was despised, and we esteemed him not.

53:4 Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted.

53:5 But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.

53:6 All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.

53:7 He was oppressed, and he was afflicted, yet he opened not his mouth: he is brought as a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before her shearers is dumb, so he openeth not his mouth.

53:8 He was taken from prison and from judgment: and who shall declare his generation? for he was cut off out of the land of the living: for the transgression of my people was he stricken.

53:9 And he made his grave with the wicked, and with the rich in his death; because he had done no violence, neither was any deceit in his mouth.

53:10 Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the LORD shall prosper in his hand.

53:11 He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities.

53:12 Therefore will I divide him a portion with the great, and he shall divide the spoil with the strong; because he hath poured out his soul unto death: and he was numbered with the transgressors; and he bare the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors.


35 posted on 12/04/2012 4:28:24 PM PST by kindred (Jesus Christ is the Lord God Messiah of Israel, a present help in time of trouble.)
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To: HChampagne

[You would not know Jesus if you tripped over Him.]

The just shall live by faith.


36 posted on 12/04/2012 4:39:19 PM PST by kindred (Jesus Christ is the Lord God Messiah of Israel, a present help in time of trouble.)
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To: Torahman

[The Torah is eternal]

The Word of God, the Holy Scriptures, are eternal indeed. When the Torah disagrees with the Scriptures, the Torah is wrong. When Christians disagree with the Word of God, Christians are wrong. Heresy is disagreeing with what the Word of God teaches in both the Old and New Testaments, God will make this clear in His day. The day of the Lord will bring the Kingdom of God in Israel as King of the Jews and Gentiles worldwide and it will Jesus Christ who is King of all the World after the 7 year tribulation to bring in His kingdom for 1000 years as God states in His Word.


37 posted on 12/04/2012 4:49:19 PM PST by kindred (Jesus Christ is the Lord God Messiah of Israel, a present help in time of trouble.)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy

[Jesus of Nazareth is just one of the aspirants to being the Mashiach. In his lifetime, a much better claimant was Sabbatai Zevi in the 17th Century]

So you see that Zevi is not the Christ of God, but Jesus is as the Scriptures teach. His name is known world wide and one either loves or hates Him. Why is that do you think?


38 posted on 12/04/2012 4:53:15 PM PST by kindred (Jesus Christ is the Lord God Messiah of Israel, a present help in time of trouble.)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy

[Jesus is by far one of the best claimants, but that does not mean that he was the only one.]

There is no other name given under heaven by which we must be saved. There are three that bear witness in Heaven, and these three are one. ONE GOD, ONE FAITH, ONE BAPTISM FOR THE REMISSION OF SINS. Did not John the Baptist declare that he baptizes with water, but there was one standing among them who baptizes with the Holy Ghost? And when Jesus baptized, was it not John who said He that cometh after me is preferred before me, for He was before me. And when John baptized Jesus and He arose out of the water, did not the Father Himself declare “This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.” No man in all mans history has ever been as notorious as our Lord Jesus, the Messiah of Israel, yea, the Christ of God Almighty!


39 posted on 12/04/2012 5:07:45 PM PST by kindred (Jesus Christ is the Lord God Messiah of Israel, a present help in time of trouble.)
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To: kindred

Well, while Jesus conforms to what the Christian gospels demanded of the savior, he did not, from the Jewish point of view, do what the Mashiach is supposed to do. That he did is Christian extrapolation.

From the Jewish point of view, Zevi went a whole lot further on the path of Mashiach. He convinced the European Jews that he was Mashiach, and by doing this, he came close to being what Judism says the Mashiach should be.

None of this heavenly kingdom idea for the Jews. They want a Messiah that rules on Earth. If he rules, creating Jewish hegemony or at least a kingdom on Earth, he is the Messiah. If he does not, he is not.


40 posted on 12/04/2012 6:00:50 PM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy (Pennies and Nickels will NO LONGER be Minted as of 1/1/13 - Tim Geithner, US Treasury Sect)
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To: kindred

Jews don’t consider NT to be divine. Did you ask you local orthodox rabbi about teshuva? Anyway, we can’t possibly argue these points. I do Jew things and you don’t—nor should you. Just be a good person, be an example to others (even teach about monotheism....just not to Jews) and constantly refresh yourself on the 7 commandments G-d gave you directly: www.noahide.org. Seriously, has any Christian ever gone to the site the brazillian times I’ve posted it? G-d gave you seven commandments! It’s unbelievable! If a king, (or a good conservative president) gave you an order...even inconsequential, like, “dig a hole and fill it in!” (ok, let’s stick with the king analogy) you’d be thrilled to be acknowledged by the king! The King of kings gave you seven commandments that aren’t silly, they are life-changing. Take a look. www.noahide.org.


41 posted on 12/04/2012 6:23:13 PM PST by Phinneous
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To: kindred

Torah never disagrees with Jewish scripture. It’s an impossibility. If you have been taught or shown otherwise, it’s a lack of understanding Torah or the Jewish scripture (Prophets and Writings, Talmud, halachic (Jewish ritual law) authorities.


42 posted on 12/04/2012 6:30:48 PM PST by Phinneous
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