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Catholic Newspaper Calls for Ordination of Women
AFP via Google ^ | 12/3/12 | Robert MacPherson

Posted on 12/04/2012 12:16:47 PM PST by marshmallow

WASHINGTON — An independent Roman Catholic newspaper in the United States called Monday for a campaign to reverse the Vatican's refusal to allow women to become priests.

"Barring women from ordination to the priesthood is an injustice that cannot be allowed to stand," the National Catholic Reporter said, waving a red flag in front of the Vatican over one of its most strongly held teachings.

The call to the priesthood "is a gift from God," it said, and excluding women from responding to that call "has no strong basis in Scripture or any other compelling rationale."

With bishops and theologians on record as opposing women's ordination, the Missouri-based biweekly -- a respected voice of the Church's reformist wing -- said it now fell upon the faith's rank and file to press for change.

"We must speak up in every forum available to us: in parish council meetings, faith-sharing groups, diocesan convocations and academic seminars," it said. "We should write letters to our bishops, to the editors of our local papers and television news channels."

There was no immediate reaction from the US Conference of Catholic Bishops, which toes a conservative line on other hot-button issues such as abortion, contraception and gay marriage.

The United States has the largest Catholic population of any rich country, with a quarter of its 310 million people belonging to the faith -- a proportion sustained by Latino immigration.

The editorial was prompted by last month's excommunication and expulsion of Father Roy Bourgeois from the Maryknoll order for his role in a women's ordination ceremony in Kentucky in 2008.

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With bishops and theologians on record as opposing women's ordination, the Missouri-based biweekly -- a respected shrill voice of the Church's reformist dissenting, heretical wing.....

Ahem...

1 posted on 12/04/2012 12:16:51 PM PST by marshmallow
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To: marshmallow

Jesus chose only men as his Apostles. Are they saying Jesus was wrong?


2 posted on 12/04/2012 12:20:00 PM PST by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: marshmallow

Jesus chose only men as his Apostles. Are they saying Jesus was wrong?


3 posted on 12/04/2012 12:20:24 PM PST by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: marshmallow
Celibate priesthood could change; that is a discipline.
Male priesthood is a doctrine; it cannot be changed.
4 posted on 12/04/2012 12:23:38 PM PST by jobim (.)
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To: marshmallow
National Catholic Distorter, put out by bitter dissenters and hippies who never grew up. The only reason they’re still printing is some kind of windfall deal. I forget what.
5 posted on 12/04/2012 12:23:59 PM PST by Missouri gal
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To: marshmallow
NCR has been puching that line for at least 30 years. How is that news?

Oh, and putting Catholic in the name of your paper doesn't make you Catholic.
6 posted on 12/04/2012 12:27:30 PM PST by Dr. Sivana (There is no salvation in politics.)
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To: marshmallow
Paging Cardinal Dolan. Please pick up the white phone in the lobby!

Demand that the National "Catholic" Reporter cease and desist from using the word "Catholic". They have not been Catholic since 1968 (or earlier). Your 'flock' needs clarification on what it means to be Catholic.

7 posted on 12/04/2012 12:29:18 PM PST by Servant of the Cross (the Truth will set you free)
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To: massgopguy
If women were ordained by the RNC they would be technically priestesses—but then that conjures up images of pagan harlots steeped in black magic...

...so the Leftist PC crowd wants the Catholic Church to not only dump holy doctrine but put male genitalia on a a new class of progressive parish predators out to divorce Christ from Christendom.

8 posted on 12/04/2012 12:36:40 PM PST by Happy Rain ("Obama, like Satan, would rather rule in (fascist) Hell than serve in (constitutional) Heaven.")
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To: Happy Rain

I meant the RCC not the RNC


9 posted on 12/04/2012 12:38:11 PM PST by Happy Rain ("Obama, like Satan, would rather rule in (fascist) Hell than serve in (constitutional) Heaven.")
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The United States has the largest Catholic population of any rich country, with a quarter of its 310 million people belonging to the faith....

Once you extract all of the Cafeteria Catholics, all of the self-professed Catholics, and all of the Catholics who voted for Obama, you arrive at the realization that maybe two percent of the American population is actually Catholic.

10 posted on 12/04/2012 12:42:14 PM PST by Alex Murphy ("If you are not firm in faith, you will not be firm at all" - Isaiah 7:9)
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To: jobim

Well as a purely practical matter the choices are coming down to:

Married Priests
or
Women Priests
or
No Priests

At the Parishes around me the priests all range in age from 70-85.


11 posted on 12/04/2012 12:44:24 PM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Servant of the Cross

Unfortunately, the word “Catholic” is not a trademark. They avoid lawsuits by emphasizing the word, “independent” in their masthead, but unfortunately, most people believe that means independent of corporations, not the church


12 posted on 12/04/2012 12:56:16 PM PST by dangus
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To: Buckeye McFrog
Married Priests mean legitimate claims to an inheritance by their offspring...

...the Vatican is not gilded in gold and dripping with jewels through sharing the wealth...

...social security has nothing on the RCC when it comes to keeping capital in the pockets of bureaucrats.

13 posted on 12/04/2012 1:00:01 PM PST by Happy Rain ("Obama, like Satan, would rather rule in (fascist) Hell than serve in (constitutional) Heaven.")
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To: marshmallow

14 posted on 12/04/2012 1:22:15 PM PST by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Buckeye McFrog

Completely false. Human nature does not change. The Catholic Church has produced countless vocations over the centuries with celibate men. The cause for the drop in vocations is the loss of faith. Those diocese and religious orders that have a strong commitment to the traditional and orthodox Catholic faith have no shortage of vocations.


15 posted on 12/04/2012 1:40:23 PM PST by Petrosius
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To: Alex Murphy

I came up with 8% at one point but I’ll have to dig around and see if I still have the things I used to arrive at that number.

Nonetheless, it’s no where near a quarter of the population.


16 posted on 12/04/2012 1:41:39 PM PST by Rashputin (Jesus Christ doesn't evacuate His troops, He leads them to victory.)
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To: marshmallow
Just a little bit of history:

Back in the middle ages, whenever the Church needed some sweeping out, a celibate abbott or monk known for holiness and competent leadership would be elected as Pope and would effect the needed changes. Monasteries were known to provide such men. And if it was good for the papacy it was considered good for the entire Church. As a result celibacy became the established norm for the Latin Church.

17 posted on 12/04/2012 1:58:55 PM PST by Slyfox (The key to Marxism is medicine - V. Lenin)
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To: Rashputin
I came up with 8% at one point but I’ll have to dig around and see if I still have the things I used to arrive at that number. Nonetheless, it’s no where near a quarter of the population.

I'd love to hear how you got to 8% (which sounds reasonable to me), if you can find your notes. FWIW, I think a similar "real Christian" reduction can and should be applied to Protestants and Evangelicals. We can argue later about whose reduced numbers should come out the largest :)

18 posted on 12/04/2012 2:17:39 PM PST by Alex Murphy ("If you are not firm in faith, you will not be firm at all" - Isaiah 7:9)
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To: Happy Rain

“Married Priests mean legitimate claims to an inheritance by their offspring...
...the Vatican is not gilded in gold and dripping with jewels through sharing the wealth...

...social security has nothing on the RCC when it comes to keeping capital in the pockets of bureaucrats.”

Most of the Eastern Catholic Churches have married priests; they haven’t taken the Vatican’s wealth yet.


19 posted on 12/04/2012 2:27:16 PM PST by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic war against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: marshmallow
I abhor this rag that only provides fodder for the Enemy. But I'm glad some take the time to take them to task on their on pages. I went to the link to see what the responses were.

I liked seeing this reply there to the editorial:

>>"Barring women from ordination to the priesthood is an injustice that cannot be allowed to stand."

You do not determine what is good and evil, what is true and false,what is just and injust. When the individual becomes the judge over Christ and His Church, you have willingly given up communion with Him and Her.

Not ordaining women as priests is no more an injustice than not allowing men to be nuns. Or mothers. There are different but equally valuable roles; having one and not the other is not an injustice. It is not less than. Is the Blessed Virgin Mary less than St.Peter?

You've succumbed to political correctness and wanting to be 'of the modern age' more than you wish to be Catholic. And you value your own authority above that of the Church.

Those who are with you took a wrong turn at the Reformation, you should have gone with them and become multiple churches, then more churches, then split churches, then unchurched.

Your way leads to the schisms and splits and eventually dissolution that we see now going on in Mainstream Protestant churches. One need only be able to read the daily paper to see where you wish to lead us - and it is not one, holy, universal.

May God grant you wisdom to see the injury to the Body of Christ that promote in your unCatholic Reporter, independent and separated from Christ's Church.


20 posted on 12/04/2012 3:01:22 PM PST by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: marshmallow

Is my Bible misprinted? I thought Jesus chose 12 apostles and I don’t recall any of them being called Rebecca, Ruth, Mary, Caroline, Shawanda, (On and on and on). Is it my Bibles fault or am I just misreading the names?


21 posted on 12/04/2012 3:55:40 PM PST by johnd201 (johnd201)
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To: marshmallow

Speaking of hypocrisy, why doesn’t this crazy nun become a member of the Methodist Church. They ordain women. Her dogma certainly fits that of the Methodist Church better.


22 posted on 12/04/2012 4:36:14 PM PST by RobbyS (Christus rex.)
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To: Petrosius

Back in the early ‘70s, the defection of so many clergy caused a morale crisis among priests. Formerly, priests recruited new seminarians with the zeal of a Marine recruiter. After the “spirit of Vatican II” did its work, they stopped doing this.


23 posted on 12/04/2012 4:43:08 PM PST by RobbyS (Christus rex.)
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To: D-fendr

Perfect response! I’m happy to see that someone told it like it is.

My next wish would be that the bishop of the diocese formally forbid the editors from receiving the Eucharist, for leading so many astray.


24 posted on 12/04/2012 4:46:17 PM PST by FamiliarFace
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To: johnd201
Is my Bible misprinted? I thought Jesus chose 12 apostles and I don’t recall any of them being called Rebecca, Ruth, Mary, Caroline, Shawanda, (On and on and on). Is it my Bibles fault or am I just misreading the names?

All of a sudden you Catholics are Sola Scripture fanatics???

25 posted on 12/04/2012 4:58:02 PM PST by Iscool (You mess with me, you mess with the WHOLE trailerpark...)
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To: marshmallow
Didn't they take this position 40 years ago? No, really. I'm sure the hive was buzzing this same tune back in '72 or so.
26 posted on 12/04/2012 5:08:13 PM PST by Mrs. Don-o ("The first duty of intelligent men of our day is the restatement of the obvious." George Orwell)
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To: Happy Rain
Ah, the fabled Vatican riches...

I once researched and posted here on FR some relevant statistics on that score. The Vatican's annual budget comes to about the same amount, IIRC, as the annual budget for the Oakland, CA Transit System. Their total income-producing endowments are less than those of Harvard University. Their accumulated wealth is mainly in the form of properties held in trust for worshippers, the general public, or future generations (e.g. cathedrals, vessels and vestments, art works) which can not readily, or ethically, be converted into cash.

The idea that usually accompanies the myth of "Vatican wealth" ---that the Vatican could "loosen up its purse strings" to pay for the indigent around the world --- is a real eye-roller. Since most of its money is already in charitable works, the suggestion of selling of real estate is like "Sell off some of those multi-million dollar hospitals and then do somethin' for the sick for a change, why don'cha?"

(Wish I had a smiley that rolled its eyes.)

27 posted on 12/04/2012 5:23:07 PM PST by Mrs. Don-o ("The first duty of intelligent men of our day is the restatement of the obvious." George Orwell)
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To: Iscool
Naw. You've got that covered, buddy.

(Dang! I gotta find me an animated smiley that rolls its eyes!)

28 posted on 12/04/2012 5:27:47 PM PST by Mrs. Don-o ("The first duty of intelligent men of our day is the restatement of the obvious." George Orwell)
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To: marshmallow

** National Catholic Reporter**

The Fish Wrap — as we call it.


29 posted on 12/04/2012 5:30:41 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Buckeye McFrog

The seminaries are brimming full of young men who want to be priests. Each year ordinartions in each and every diocese of the U. S. — well almost — there’s still a couple with dissident Bishops — the problem being that the number of ordinands has not overtaken the number of retirees.

Be patient.


30 posted on 12/04/2012 5:34:08 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Buckeye McFrog

And these are straight young men WANTING and WILLING to serve the Lord.


31 posted on 12/04/2012 5:35:07 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Iscool
All of a sudden you Catholics are Sola Scripture fanatics???

Scripture is God-breathed, completely trustworthy and utterly authoritative.

Your own personal understanding of Scripture ... is not.

32 posted on 12/04/2012 6:48:15 PM PST by Campion ("Social justice" begins in the womb)
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To: RobbyS

They are returning.


33 posted on 12/04/2012 7:20:27 PM PST by Petrosius
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To: Slyfox
A little bit of real history:

Celibacy has been the rule in the Latin West since apostolic times. See:


34 posted on 12/04/2012 7:24:21 PM PST by Petrosius
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To: marshmallow

I’m a firm Protestant but here’s a radical suggestion for the author and those who share the same viewpoint: don’t like the Roman Catholic Church’s position on this issue? Leave and either join a religion that agrees with you or start a new one.

I agree with Rome on this per 1 Timothy 2:12-

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1%20Timothy%202:12&version=AMP

“I allow no woman to teach or to have authority over men; she is to remain in quietness and keep silence [in religious assemblies].”


35 posted on 12/04/2012 7:38:02 PM PST by ReformationFan
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To: Buckeye McFrog

You wrote:

“Well as a purely practical matter the choices are coming down to: Married Priests or Women Priests or No Priests”

There are two others choices:

Traditional Religious Orders (all of which are overflowing with vocations).

Priests from overseas.

The real answer is orthodoxy. People forget that vocations fell through the floor in early 16th century Europe because of the Protestant Revolution. Then the Church entered one of its greatest eras in terms of vocations.


36 posted on 12/04/2012 7:54:29 PM PST by vladimir998
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To: Servant of the Cross
The bishops of Kansas City told the National Heretical Fishwrap to stop calling itself "Catholic" decades ago.

They were ignored.

37 posted on 12/04/2012 7:55:38 PM PST by Campion ("Social justice" begins in the womb)
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To: Slyfox

Actually, no. That is not what happened. Celibacy was always the ideal. Celibacy was not supported because “if it was good for the papacy it was considered good for the entire Church. As a result celibacy became the established norm for the Latin Church.”


38 posted on 12/04/2012 7:57:47 PM PST by vladimir998
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To: FamiliarFace

October 16, 1968
Following is the text of a statement issued by Bishop Charles H. Helmsing of Kansas City - St. Joseph (Mo) Diocese.

As the editors of the National Catholic Reporter know, I have tried as their pastor, responsible for their eternal welfare, and that of those whom they influence, to guide them on a responsible course in harmony with Catholic teachings. When private conferences were of no avail, as is well known, I had to issue a public reprimand for their policy of crusading against the Church’s teachings on the transmission of human life, and against the Gospel values of sacred virginity and dedicated celibacy as taught by the Church.

NOW, AS a last resort, I am forced as bishop to issue a condemnation of the National Catholic Reporter for its disregard and denial of the most sacred values of our Catholic faith. Within recent months the National Catholic Reporter has expressed itself in belittling the basic truths expressed in the Creed of Pope Paul VI; it has made itself a platform for the airing of heretical views on the Church and its divinely constituted structure, as taught by the First and Second Vatican Councils. Vehemently to be reprobated was the airing in recent editions of an attack on the perpetual virginity of the Blessed Virgin Mary and the virgin birth of Christ, by one of its contributors.
Finally, it has given lengthy space to a blasphemous and heretical attack on the Vicar of Christ. It is difficult to see how well instructed writers who deliberately deny and ridicule dogmas of our Catholic faith can possibly escape the guilt of the crime defined in Canon 1325 on heresy, and how they can escape the penalties of automatic excommunication entailed thereby...


39 posted on 12/04/2012 8:32:05 PM PST by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: vladimir998

The the holy monks and abbots reminded the Church that celibacy was preferred.


40 posted on 12/04/2012 9:21:10 PM PST by Slyfox (The key to Marxism is medicine - V. Lenin)
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To: vladimir998

The the holy monks and abbots reminded the Church that celibacy was preferred.


41 posted on 12/04/2012 9:21:20 PM PST by Slyfox (The key to Marxism is medicine - V. Lenin)
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To: Campion

The nutty nuns are liberal Protestants and don’t even know it.


42 posted on 12/04/2012 9:21:38 PM PST by RobbyS (Christus rex.)
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To: D-fendr

I take it that the NCR has an “angel..” One with bats wings.


43 posted on 12/04/2012 9:23:48 PM PST by RobbyS (Christus rex.)
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To: vladimir998

Since Our Lord was celibate as was Paul, and all the apostles save Peter. John the Baptist, of course. Among the Jews, the Essenes also practiced celibacy, so it has not unknown among the Jews. Jeremiah did not marry. The high priest was not supposed to enter the presence of the Lord unless he abstained form sexual relation for a time before.


44 posted on 12/04/2012 9:32:58 PM PST by RobbyS (Christus rex.)
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To: RobbyS

As they’ve progressed toward evil, their circulation has gone from 100,000 to 33,000. They won’t quit the name “Catholic” but Catholics are quitting them.

I wonder who is funding them?


45 posted on 12/04/2012 10:59:42 PM PST by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: D-fendr

no matter how little support they get in the Church, they are the darlings of the Left. This includes, I guess, the secretary of HHS, who also hates the Church.


46 posted on 12/04/2012 11:13:16 PM PST by RobbyS (Christus rex.)
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To: marshmallow
...independent Roman Catholic newspaper...

Okay, I put the 4 words together, and don't really see how the first doesn't negate the second and third leaving a "newspaper".

Either it is Catholic, or it is not. By their doctrinal stance, no.

47 posted on 12/04/2012 11:27:40 PM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: Alex Murphy
I don't have the links yet but have these notes :

Self identified as Catholic 78 million
On Church Directories as Catholic 66 million
Duplications and errors in Directories avg 3%
3% is around 2 million
24% attend weekly but best metric is actually "several times a month or more" 36% as opposed to 24%, 23 million.
Looking at consistent donation v regular attendance 40-45% depending on G'town or USCCB numbers - 9 million.
Eliminate church employees in charities and social services except for religious .6, use 1
Reduce by number under 16
Reduce by estmates of CINO services - 1.2
7 +/- mil equal TC group norm in the 50s
social .5 or 1.5?
NC social 14% - 6 mil? % of 78 or 66
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I remember I used studies done by Georgetown, ND, USCCB, the Vatican, and a study done in the fifties by a group of dioceses in the NE?. Maybe not the NE but a regional group of large dioceses. I also remember a study by a university or group in San Diego that I used but don't remember the specifics, it focused on when parents stopped making kids go and so on.

I'll see if I can get all those links but I thought this might be a start for you. My thought was to measure what number of folks now are equal to the norm in the fifties and that may or may not be a good benchmark. Seemed like a good idea at the time, as they say.

48 posted on 12/05/2012 1:46:24 AM PST by Rashputin (Jesus Christ doesn't evacuate His troops, He leads them to victory.)
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To: vladimir998

In other words, “conservative” Catholic faith.


49 posted on 12/05/2012 4:04:48 AM PST by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: Campion
Scripture is God-breathed, completely trustworthy and utterly authoritative.

I know it is...But you guys always tell us there is so much more...That it is NOT authoritative...It's just one little leg of the great big table

And now you have a Catholic appealing to Scripture ALONE to prove something...

Whatta ya do, change the rules to fit any given situation???

50 posted on 12/05/2012 4:58:55 AM PST by Iscool (You mess with me, you mess with the WHOLE trailerpark...)
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