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Was John Lennon a Genius?
Living Waters Ministries ^ | Dec. 5, 2012 | Ray Comfort

Posted on 12/06/2012 12:23:27 PM PST by Jan_Sobieski

Was John Lennon a Genius?

You make the call!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o7pe3_VQbUM


TOPICS: Apologetics; History; Ministry/Outreach; Religion & Culture
KEYWORDS: beatles; fannonsense; imagine; jesus; lennon; lowculture
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1 posted on 12/06/2012 12:23:38 PM PST by Jan_Sobieski
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To: Jan_Sobieski
Here is the link:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o7pe3_VQbUM
2 posted on 12/06/2012 12:29:01 PM PST by Jan_Sobieski (Sanctification)
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To: Jan_Sobieski

yeah... at writing three and a half minute toe tappers....


3 posted on 12/06/2012 12:29:39 PM PST by stevecmd
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To: Jan_Sobieski

Lennon was brilliant like Lenin was brilliant. Nothing more dangerous than a smart evil person.


4 posted on 12/06/2012 12:30:24 PM PST by Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America (IMPEACH OBAMA)
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To: Jan_Sobieski

Imagine.....No Liberals.........

I’ve got the tee shirt.


5 posted on 12/06/2012 12:31:15 PM PST by Trapped Behind Enemy Lines
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To: Jan_Sobieski

He married Yoko Ono.....


6 posted on 12/06/2012 12:33:59 PM PST by Brett66 (Where government advances, and it advances relentlessly , freedom is imperiled -Janice Rogers Brown)
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To: Jan_Sobieski

He was an above average pop song writer.


7 posted on 12/06/2012 12:37:00 PM PST by discostu (Not a part of anyone's well oiled machine.)
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To: Jan_Sobieski

“For no particular reason, somebody shot that young man ... “


8 posted on 12/06/2012 12:37:00 PM PST by meadsjn
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To: Jan_Sobieski

I guess he was smart enough to go from being a punk in Liverpool to being bigger than Jesus.

Is that Genius?

Well, if in 2313 we are still humming his music—and everyone knows the tune, then I guess we will know the answer.

I can whistle “A Little Night Music” in the local middle school and a lot of the kids could finish the bar. Not so much with “Why don’t we do it in the road.”


9 posted on 12/06/2012 12:39:01 PM PST by Vermont Lt (We are so screwed.)
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To: Jan_Sobieski

I still think “Imagine” is Communism set to music. It should rank there with the “Internationale.”


10 posted on 12/06/2012 12:42:03 PM PST by Stepan12
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To: Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America
Oooops. Perhaps I shouldn't refer to him as 'evil'. That's a bit harsh and by no means should I have equated him to Lenin. I was trying to be 'cute'. Anyway, I remember reading how Lennon might have been a Republican. I would rate him as an excellent song writer though.. 'Strawberry Fields Forever' is a cool song.
11 posted on 12/06/2012 12:42:54 PM PST by Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America (IMPEACH OBAMA)
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12 posted on 12/06/2012 12:44:46 PM PST by Olog-hai
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To: Vermont Lt
I can whistle “A Little Night Music” in the local middle school and a lot of the kids could finish the bar. Not so much with “Why don’t we do it in the road.”

Lennon's name might be in the credits for "Why Don't We Do It In The Road," but at that point in the Beatles' career a songwriting credit of "Lennon & McCartney" was more accurately "Lennon OR McCartney." I'm pretty sure that Paul deserves all the credit (or blame) for that one.

13 posted on 12/06/2012 12:47:26 PM PST by ZirconEncrustedTweezers (Democrats are evil. Republicans are stupid.)
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To: Jan_Sobieski

He was genius enough to still be a subject of heated debate 25 years after his death.


14 posted on 12/06/2012 12:49:36 PM PST by GSWarrior (Click HERE to read entire tagline.)
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To: Jan_Sobieski
John Lennon impersonator on the National Lampoon song, “Genius Is Pain.”

“I reject you F-ers what the F do you know!?!?
A bunch of middle class faggots with long hair and trendy cloths,
Look, I'm not your F-ing parents and I'm sick of uptight hippies knocking at my door with the F-ing peace symbol I don't owe you F-ers anything and all I've got to say is F youuuuuuu,
The sky is bluuuuuuuuuue.”

That's only the first verse but the song ends with a final chorus:

“Genius is pain,
genius is paiiiiiiiin.
Genius is pain...ARRRRRGH AHHHHH...genius is pain...”

So I guess he was;)

15 posted on 12/06/2012 12:51:00 PM PST by Happy Rain ("Obama, like Satan, would rather rule in (fascist) Hell than serve in (constitutional) Heaven.")
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To: Vermont Lt
I can whistle “A Little Night Music” in the local middle school and a lot of the kids could finish the bar.

I presume you don't mean Mozart.

16 posted on 12/06/2012 12:54:03 PM PST by Erasmus (Zwischen des Teufels und des tiefen, blauen Meers)
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To: Jan_Sobieski

McCartney was closed to genius than Lennon was.


17 posted on 12/06/2012 12:54:37 PM PST by dfwgator
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To: Jan_Sobieski

McCartney was closer to genius than Lennon was.


18 posted on 12/06/2012 12:54:37 PM PST by dfwgator
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To: ZirconEncrustedTweezers

Almost all of the Lennon-McCartney songs were one or the other. Let’s Do It In The Road was all Lennon though it still carried the Lennon-McCartney credit.


19 posted on 12/06/2012 12:54:56 PM PST by packrat35 (Admit it! We are almost ready to be called a police state!)
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To: dfwgator

Paul was arguably the best musician in the group, and IMO he had the best singing voice.

I love pointing out to people that there is only one Beatles song which includes a drum solo, and that it isn’t Ringo playing it.


20 posted on 12/06/2012 12:58:58 PM PST by ZirconEncrustedTweezers (Democrats are evil. Republicans are stupid.)
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To: discostu
He was an above average pop song writer.

Exactly.

21 posted on 12/06/2012 12:59:18 PM PST by Jeff Chandler (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tpAOwJvTOio)
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To: ZirconEncrustedTweezers

Paul was also a better guitarist than George....listen to the solos on “The End”, Paul’s was heaviest of the three.

Paul played all the instruments on “Maybe I’m Amazed”.


22 posted on 12/06/2012 1:00:41 PM PST by dfwgator
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To: meadsjn

In a perfect world . . .


23 posted on 12/06/2012 1:02:09 PM PST by Jeff Chandler (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tpAOwJvTOio)
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To: Jan_Sobieski

Actually he was more a genius of stealing melodies or parts of melodies from songs other people wrote. George Harrison himself said that, said he could name a song that every Lennon song ever came from. “Please Please me” comes from “Lend me your comb” and “Cathies clown” “Do you want to know a secret” comes from “Till there was you” “I should have known better” comes from “Hey baby” on and on and on. He even ripped off George Harrison, came up with “Sun King” from “Something”.


24 posted on 12/06/2012 1:02:31 PM PST by GrandJediMasterYoda (Someday our schools we will teach the difference between "lose" and "loose")
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To: GSWarrior
He was genius enough to still be a subject of heated debate 25 years after his death.

Is this the ‘heated’ debate you refer to? Looks like a dozen or so rational conservatives basically labeling him an overrated, communist, turd. Not to mention unequivocally the worst ever taste in women. Bill Clinton would be a close second.
25 posted on 12/06/2012 1:02:31 PM PST by bramps (Sarah Palin got more votes in 2008 than Romney did in 2012)
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To: Jan_Sobieski
I understand before he died he was becoming a conservative.
Lennon said something about how foolish he was for writing the song imagine.

Another interesting note: Mark David Chapman wife said, "He was angry that Lennon would preach love and peace but yet have millions [of dollars]" which in my opinion is a hard core leftist.

Chapman was gunning for Limousine leftists he had a list he had to kill.

26 posted on 12/06/2012 1:02:49 PM PST by Steve Van Doorn (*in my best Eric Cartman voice* 'I love you, guys')
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To: Jan_Sobieski

Very few people are a genius. Some people just get more attention than others. John Lennon was the later. With that said, I marvel out how people like Lennon are able to grab our attention. The Beatles music was always optimistic with a lonly under current or visa versa depending on the song) and some how that got us to give it up for him. Still, I don’t think that’s genius any more than I think I guy who knows how to talk woman into the sack is genius. In fact, you could make a better arguement that people who seek the stage (or sleep around) are simply desperate people.

Not ure where I’m going with this but, I came up with this saying years ago when I was a kid. It takes two things to achieve anything in life: The confidence to know you can do something and the insecurity to think you have to prove it. That’s John Lennon in a nut shell...a confident man that was so depserate and insecure he had to prove his worth to a bunch of strangers. Politicians are the same way.


27 posted on 12/06/2012 1:09:06 PM PST by Mustangman (The GOP)
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To: Jan_Sobieski

The Beatles opened the door to the US so British crap could be passed off here as music.

I have a preference for pre 1964 music.


28 posted on 12/06/2012 1:09:51 PM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar (The parasites now outnumber the producers.)
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To: Jan_Sobieski

From an article on Hot Air:

“In new documentary Beatles Stories, Seaman tells filmmaker Seth Swirsky Lennon wasn’t the peace-loving militant fans thought he was while he was his assistant.

He says, “John, basically, made it very clear that if he were an American he would vote for Reagan because he was really sour on (Democrat) Jimmy Carter.”

http://hotair.com/archives/2011/06/29/john-lennon-reagan-republican/

Maybe he wasn’t a genius, but he was smart enough to vote for Reagan.


29 posted on 12/06/2012 1:16:03 PM PST by Patriot95
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To: GrandJediMasterYoda

The great classical compeers were just as guilt of melody theft, as well as other forms. Of course they had much, much more on their plates than 3 or 4 minute ditties by guys who couldn’t even read music and had someone else arrange the stuff they couldn’t hammer out haphazardly for them.


30 posted on 12/06/2012 1:19:08 PM PST by Tublecane
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To: GrandJediMasterYoda

The great classical composers were just as guilt of melody theft, as well as other forms. Of course they had much, much more on their plates than 3 or 4 minute ditties by guys who couldn’t even read music and had someone else arrange the stuff they couldn’t hammer out haphazardly for them.


31 posted on 12/06/2012 1:19:19 PM PST by Tublecane
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To: Jan_Sobieski

No. He was a noise making druggie.


32 posted on 12/06/2012 1:20:15 PM PST by BigCinBigD (...Was that okay?)
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To: Patriot95
“John, basically, made it very clear that if he were an American he would vote for Reagan because he was really sour on (Democrat) Jimmy Carter.”

Taxman

33 posted on 12/06/2012 1:22:24 PM PST by FatherofFive (Islam is evil and must be eradicated)
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To: Jan_Sobieski

No.


34 posted on 12/06/2012 1:25:42 PM PST by bgill (We've passed the point of no return. Welcome to Al Amerika.)
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To: Jan_Sobieski

When we start equating songwriting and singing to genius, you realize just how shallow we have become as a society.
but what do I do know...


35 posted on 12/06/2012 1:31:12 PM PST by ▀udda▀udd (>> F U B O << "What the hell kind of country is this if I can only hate a man if he's white?")
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To: dfwgator

Well, Paul only became the Beatles’ bassist because Stu Sutcliffe didn’t want to leave Hamburg. Before that, Paul played a six-string.


36 posted on 12/06/2012 1:34:46 PM PST by ZirconEncrustedTweezers (Democrats are evil. Republicans are stupid.)
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37 posted on 12/06/2012 1:35:51 PM PST by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious!)
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To: Jan_Sobieski
To do easily what is difficult for others is the mark of talent. To do what is impossible for talent is the mark of genius.

— Henri-Frédéric Amiel

38 posted on 12/06/2012 1:36:18 PM PST by mjp ((pro-{God, reality, reason, egoism, individualism, natural rights, limited government, capitalism}))
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To: Jan_Sobieski; a fool in paradise; Slings and Arrows
Freddie was a genius!


39 posted on 12/06/2012 1:38:59 PM PST by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious!)
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To: Revolting cat!; Slings and Arrows
He stayed with Yoko in spite of the herpes. You be the judge.


40 posted on 12/06/2012 1:42:24 PM PST by a fool in paradise (America 2013 - STUCK ON STUPID)
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To: Jan_Sobieski

He was a very troubled boy and young man (absent father, slutty mother, who he basically saw killed when hit by a bus, brought up by Auntie, horribly near sighted, not good at school) who managed to take all that adolescent angst and turn it into lyrics, melody, humor, a unique vocal style, and combined that with a natural bent for leadership.

Genius? In the eye of the beholder. Mistakes in his own life? Beyond question. More accomplished than probably anyone who would comment on this topic? Definitely.


41 posted on 12/06/2012 1:42:34 PM PST by 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten
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To: Jan_Sobieski
Maybe he was a genius,
but Pete was Best!


42 posted on 12/06/2012 1:42:34 PM PST by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious!)
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To: Jan_Sobieski

simple answer....no.... he was a doped up loon


43 posted on 12/06/2012 1:43:44 PM PST by Nifster
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To: BigCinBigD; Revolting cat!
No. He was a noise making druggie.

"I worry that drugs have made us more creative than we really are." - Lilly Tomlin

44 posted on 12/06/2012 1:51:32 PM PST by a fool in paradise (America 2013 - STUCK ON STUPID)
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To: Revolting cat!; Jan_Sobieski; a fool in paradise
Freddie and the Dreamers - "I'm Telling You Now"
45 posted on 12/06/2012 1:55:44 PM PST by Slings and Arrows (You can't have IngSoc without an Emmanuel Goldstein.)
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To: Jan_Sobieski

Yoko singing Memphis with John and Chuck Berry (at 1:20)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h9kgu71d81U


46 posted on 12/06/2012 1:56:46 PM PST by a fool in paradise (America 2013 - STUCK ON STUPID)
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To: 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten
I tended bar and bounced at an after-hours jazz spot on West 52nd back in the seventies and lived on West 70th. There was (probably still is) a semi-secret circuit of after hours spots and I was told about one near my apartment (two blocks away on west 72nd).

It was in the basement under a Chemical Bank and the only way in was a simple brown door with the tiny word TRAX stenciled on it.

I would hang out there two or three times a month. Lennon lived down the block and was in almost every time I was. I never saw him on the street or in the park but I saw him often enough at TRAX that we'd nod to each other. Never said a word to him...just a kind of "hey...how you doing".

My brother-in-law was a beatles nut...it used to drive him crazy that I'd never take him to the spot...but he would have effed it all up being so close to Lennon.

47 posted on 12/06/2012 2:05:18 PM PST by wtc911 (Amigo - you've been had.)
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To: wtc911

Nice.


48 posted on 12/06/2012 2:09:35 PM PST by 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten
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To: Slings and Arrows

Kim Fowley is the genius. He didn’t do drugs. He kept the publishing on the songs he wrote. He produced many musicians recording, and was a card carrying Republican (at least in the 1970s).

Then again, it was his idea to invite John (and Yoko) to Toronto to play an oldies show with Gene Vincent, Chuck Berry, Little Richard, and Jerry Lee Lewis.


49 posted on 12/06/2012 2:12:33 PM PST by a fool in paradise (America 2013 - STUCK ON STUPID)
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To: Jan_Sobieski

John Lennon was a genius as a Beatle. What they had and did together was a kind of magic.


50 posted on 12/06/2012 2:14:12 PM PST by equaviator (There's nothing like the universe to bring you down to earth.)
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