Skip to comments.Was John Lennon a Genius?
Posted on 12/06/2012 12:23:27 PM PST by Jan_Sobieski
Was John Lennon a Genius?
You make the call!
yeah... at writing three and a half minute toe tappers....
Lennon was brilliant like Lenin was brilliant. Nothing more dangerous than a smart evil person.
I’ve got the tee shirt.
He married Yoko Ono.....
He was an above average pop song writer.
“For no particular reason, somebody shot that young man ... “
I guess he was smart enough to go from being a punk in Liverpool to being bigger than Jesus.
Is that Genius?
Well, if in 2313 we are still humming his music—and everyone knows the tune, then I guess we will know the answer.
I can whistle “A Little Night Music” in the local middle school and a lot of the kids could finish the bar. Not so much with “Why don’t we do it in the road.”
I still think “Imagine” is Communism set to music. It should rank there with the “Internationale.”
Lennon's name might be in the credits for "Why Don't We Do It In The Road," but at that point in the Beatles' career a songwriting credit of "Lennon & McCartney" was more accurately "Lennon OR McCartney." I'm pretty sure that Paul deserves all the credit (or blame) for that one.
He was genius enough to still be a subject of heated debate 25 years after his death.
“I reject you F-ers what the F do you know!?!?
A bunch of middle class faggots with long hair and trendy cloths,
Look, I'm not your F-ing parents and I'm sick of uptight hippies knocking at my door with the F-ing peace symbol I don't owe you F-ers anything and all I've got to say is F youuuuuuu,
The sky is bluuuuuuuuuue.”
That's only the first verse but the song ends with a final chorus:
“Genius is pain,
genius is paiiiiiiiin.
Genius is pain...ARRRRRGH AHHHHH...genius is pain...”
So I guess he was;)
I presume you don't mean Mozart.
McCartney was closed to genius than Lennon was.
McCartney was closer to genius than Lennon was.
Almost all of the Lennon-McCartney songs were one or the other. Let’s Do It In The Road was all Lennon though it still carried the Lennon-McCartney credit.
Paul was arguably the best musician in the group, and IMO he had the best singing voice.
I love pointing out to people that there is only one Beatles song which includes a drum solo, and that it isn’t Ringo playing it.
Paul was also a better guitarist than George....listen to the solos on “The End”, Paul’s was heaviest of the three.
Paul played all the instruments on “Maybe I’m Amazed”.
In a perfect world . . .
Actually he was more a genius of stealing melodies or parts of melodies from songs other people wrote. George Harrison himself said that, said he could name a song that every Lennon song ever came from. “Please Please me” comes from “Lend me your comb” and “Cathies clown” “Do you want to know a secret” comes from “Till there was you” “I should have known better” comes from “Hey baby” on and on and on. He even ripped off George Harrison, came up with “Sun King” from “Something”.
Another interesting note: Mark David Chapman wife said, "He was angry that Lennon would preach love and peace but yet have millions [of dollars]" which in my opinion is a hard core leftist.
Chapman was gunning for Limousine leftists he had a list he had to kill.
Very few people are a genius. Some people just get more attention than others. John Lennon was the later. With that said, I marvel out how people like Lennon are able to grab our attention. The Beatles music was always optimistic with a lonly under current or visa versa depending on the song) and some how that got us to give it up for him. Still, I don’t think that’s genius any more than I think I guy who knows how to talk woman into the sack is genius. In fact, you could make a better arguement that people who seek the stage (or sleep around) are simply desperate people.
Not ure where I’m going with this but, I came up with this saying years ago when I was a kid. It takes two things to achieve anything in life: The confidence to know you can do something and the insecurity to think you have to prove it. That’s John Lennon in a nut shell...a confident man that was so depserate and insecure he had to prove his worth to a bunch of strangers. Politicians are the same way.
The Beatles opened the door to the US so British crap could be passed off here as music.
I have a preference for pre 1964 music.
From an article on Hot Air:
“In new documentary Beatles Stories, Seaman tells filmmaker Seth Swirsky Lennon wasnt the peace-loving militant fans thought he was while he was his assistant.
He says, John, basically, made it very clear that if he were an American he would vote for Reagan because he was really sour on (Democrat) Jimmy Carter.”
Maybe he wasn’t a genius, but he was smart enough to vote for Reagan.
The great classical compeers were just as guilt of melody theft, as well as other forms. Of course they had much, much more on their plates than 3 or 4 minute ditties by guys who couldn’t even read music and had someone else arrange the stuff they couldn’t hammer out haphazardly for them.
The great classical composers were just as guilt of melody theft, as well as other forms. Of course they had much, much more on their plates than 3 or 4 minute ditties by guys who couldn’t even read music and had someone else arrange the stuff they couldn’t hammer out haphazardly for them.
No. He was a noise making druggie.
When we start equating songwriting and singing to genius, you realize just how shallow we have become as a society.
but what do I do know...
Well, Paul only became the Beatles’ bassist because Stu Sutcliffe didn’t want to leave Hamburg. Before that, Paul played a six-string.
He was a very troubled boy and young man (absent father, slutty mother, who he basically saw killed when hit by a bus, brought up by Auntie, horribly near sighted, not good at school) who managed to take all that adolescent angst and turn it into lyrics, melody, humor, a unique vocal style, and combined that with a natural bent for leadership.
Genius? In the eye of the beholder. Mistakes in his own life? Beyond question. More accomplished than probably anyone who would comment on this topic? Definitely.
simple answer....no.... he was a doped up loon
"I worry that drugs have made us more creative than we really are." - Lilly Tomlin
Yoko singing Memphis with John and Chuck Berry (at 1:20)
It was in the basement under a Chemical Bank and the only way in was a simple brown door with the tiny word TRAX stenciled on it.
I would hang out there two or three times a month. Lennon lived down the block and was in almost every time I was. I never saw him on the street or in the park but I saw him often enough at TRAX that we'd nod to each other. Never said a word to him...just a kind of "hey...how you doing".
My brother-in-law was a beatles nut...it used to drive him crazy that I'd never take him to the spot...but he would have effed it all up being so close to Lennon.
Kim Fowley is the genius. He didn’t do drugs. He kept the publishing on the songs he wrote. He produced many musicians recording, and was a card carrying Republican (at least in the 1970s).
Then again, it was his idea to invite John (and Yoko) to Toronto to play an oldies show with Gene Vincent, Chuck Berry, Little Richard, and Jerry Lee Lewis.
John Lennon was a genius as a Beatle. What they had and did together was a kind of magic.