Free Republic
Browse · Search
Religion
Topics · Post Article

To: boatbums
So, it isn't that children and the mentally handicapped don't sin, they just do not have the awareness of sin and their need for a savior.

The stain of original sin isn't the same thing as a conscious choice to sin. A disabled person is baptized for the same reason all other Catholics are, because of the stain of original sin and for the benefit of the indwelling of the Holy Trinity imparted to us at baptism. A disabled person may or may not have the ability to consciously choose to commit sin. That's a different issue than original sin.

"As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one". Because Mary was a human being, she falls under the same category we all do.

Jesus had two natures, one human and one divine. As a human being, he would also be sinful based on the verse you cited. It's not like Christ or Mary were the first sinless beings. Adam and Eve were created sinless but chose to sin. Same goes with the angels. They were created sinless but some chose to rebel against God. Our belief is that just as the first Adam and Eve were created without sin, so were the New Adam and the New Eve.

Peace be with you.

30 posted on 12/07/2012 11:43:52 PM PST by PeevedPatriot
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 17 | View Replies ]


To: PeevedPatriot
The stain of original sin isn't the same thing as a conscious choice to sin. A disabled person is baptized for the same reason all other Catholics are, because of the stain of original sin and for the benefit of the indwelling of the Holy Trinity imparted to us at baptism. A disabled person may or may not have the ability to consciously choose to commit sin. That's a different issue than original sin.

Sin is "missing the mark" of God's perfection. Anyone who has raised kids knows that they fall short of God's perfection almost as soon as they learn the word, "NO"! So, we all sin because it is our nature to rebel against God. We have no choice, in reality, it is what we are - at enmity with God. Whether you call this propensity "original sin" or just our natural tendency, we sin because we are sinners, not we are sinners because we sin.

Jesus had two natures, one human and one divine. As a human being, he would also be sinful based on the verse you cited. It's not like Christ or Mary were the first sinless beings. Adam and Eve were created sinless but chose to sin. Same goes with the angels. They were created sinless but some chose to rebel against God. Our belief is that just as the first Adam and Eve were created without sin, so were the New Adam and the New Eve.

It was the humanity of Jesus - without a sin nature because he was born of a virgin by the Holy Spirit - as well as his Deity that he was NOT a sinner. The verses that state all mankind is under the curse of sin, doesn't apply to the God/Man. The only way Jesus could be our redeemer, is if he was without sin - NEVER having sinned, even once. His baptism by John was as a demonstration of the start of his ministry and the exhibition of the Holy Spirit and the Father recognizing Him before all the people there. It was a PUBLIC event. He did not need to be baptized in order to take away "original sin" nor to "get" the Holy Spirit. He WAS already God in the flesh.

There is a difference between a "sinless" person who has the free will to choose to sin such as Adam and Eve and those who came after them after the fall. The fall, the sin of Adam and Eve started the ball rolling and thereafter ALL mankind was under sin, born with the nature to sin. No one has to tempt us, we sin because we are sinners. By saying Christ and Mary are the "new" Adam and Eve, puts them both at the same level but Jesus is GOD, Mary will NEVER be God. Adam and Eve were equals. Jesus and Mary are not, she is the human, He is God.

There is no genuine need for Mary to be sinless. It did not affect the incarnation at all. The prophecy was the Messiah would be born of a virgin. He was. That Mary was of the House of David, passing the birthright to Jesus as well as his "Jewishness", that she be a virgin, are all the conditions placed upon the woman that would bear the Messiah. Nothing in the Old Testament makes any kind of prophecy that the mother of the savior had to be "sinless".

Have a good weekend!

36 posted on 12/08/2012 12:15:35 AM PST by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 30 | View Replies ]

Free Republic
Browse · Search
Religion
Topics · Post Article


FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson