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Antinomianism: The Soft Heresy (How could Christians vote to outlaw their own religious values?)
American Thinker ^ | 12/09/2012 | Daniel Ciofani

Posted on 12/09/2012 5:08:51 PM PST by SeekAndFind

The election of 2012 fused principles of state and church demanding Americans follow one distinct path. The country chose to follow a path that is fiscally illogical, covetous of private property, dismissive to personal initiative, mythological towards freedom, repentant to a planet, subjugating of the religious to the secular, deadly to the unborn, disrespectful to the sick and aged, encouraging to the sexually deviant, and destructive to family.

So how could our nation, so strongly and freely steeped in Judeo-Christian principles, have chosen such a path willingly?

First, let us quickly address the Judeo portion of our heritage. Quite simply, there used to be twelve tribes of Israel. Now there are but two; Judah and Benjamin (and a sprinkling of Dan). So when and why did the other tribes evaporate? This I will leave to the more learned, but I have a hunch that they weren't doing something right.

Let's focus in on our good Christian friends.There are many makes, models, colors, and flavors of Christianity to freely choose from in our society. After five hundred years of reforming, reshaping, and reshaking Christianity, the truth is that there is not much difference among each of the varieties. Oh sure, on paper or parchment there are fundamental differences, but they are difficult for the average laity to describe without stumbling. Rarer yet are clergy who attempt to describe their branch's differences, for fear of losing half their flock.

This can be interpreted as a good thing. After all, Christianity started out as one Faith and the spirit of ecumenism fosters all to become one family again. Perhaps the old passage, "There is one Lord, one Faith, and one Baptism" rings truer than ever. Amidst all church rules and laws, maybe we can agree with Augustine, "Love, and do what you want!"

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TOPICS: Current Events; Moral Issues; Religion & Culture; Religion & Politics
KEYWORDS: 2012electionanalysis; 2012electionreligion; antinomianism; elections; moralabsolutes; moralvalues
THE BIG QUESTION:

So how could a Christian faith so unified with other denominations all across the country vote so consistently to outlaw its own historical and religious values?

1 posted on 12/09/2012 5:08:56 PM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind
So how could a Christian faith so unified with other denominations all across the country vote so consistently to outlaw its own historical and religious values?

I guess you'd have to ask the Catholic Church.

2 posted on 12/09/2012 5:14:18 PM PST by Alex Murphy ("If you are not firm in faith, you will not be firm at all" - Isaiah 7:9)
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To: Alex Murphy

RE: I guess you’d have to ask the Catholic Church.

I think the best people to ask would be Roman Catholics who voted for Obama, not the church itself.


3 posted on 12/09/2012 5:15:37 PM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind
I think the best people to ask would be Roman Catholics who voted for Obama, not the church itself.

The same could be said for the "other denominations" mentioned.

4 posted on 12/09/2012 5:17:21 PM PST by Alex Murphy ("If you are not firm in faith, you will not be firm at all" - Isaiah 7:9)
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To: SeekAndFind

Am I my brother’s keeper? Most of those who call themselves Christians or Jews or Moslems answer: Yes, we are our brothers’ keeper. That is the heresy.

Am I my brother’s keeper was asked by Cain, the first murderer in an attempt to distract God from his question.

I am not my brother’s keeper. I am my brother’s brother. There is a big difference.

Joshua said it best in reference to government:
Choose you this day whom you will serve. But as for me and my house, we will serve the Lord.

The essence of our society is that choosing Judaism, or Christianity, or any religion/value system is a free choice. We Judeo Christians are to set an example and spread the good news. But we are not to impose our Christian values on others and force them to practice the golden-rule or any other Christian teaching.


5 posted on 12/09/2012 5:18:34 PM PST by spintreebob
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6 posted on 12/09/2012 5:19:18 PM PST by narses
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7 posted on 12/09/2012 5:19:51 PM PST by narses
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8 posted on 12/09/2012 5:20:46 PM PST by narses
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To: SeekAndFind

Just because someone professes to be Christian doesn’t mean God is pleased with them. Just consider the Seven Churches of Asia described in the book of Revelation. God was/is only pleased with one.


9 posted on 12/09/2012 5:20:58 PM PST by fso301
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To: Alex Murphy

Why don’t you ban them, since they are responsible for all the evil in the world?


10 posted on 12/09/2012 5:25:51 PM PST by nickcarraway
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To: Alex Murphy

Why don’t you ban them, since they are responsible for all the evil in the world?


11 posted on 12/09/2012 5:25:53 PM PST by nickcarraway
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To: nickcarraway; annalex
Why don’t you ban them, since they are responsible for all the evil in the world?

Ironically, it was earlier today that we learned it was the Protestant heresies that shaped the modern world in Satan's image.

12 posted on 12/09/2012 5:31:06 PM PST by Alex Murphy ("If you are not firm in faith, you will not be firm at all" - Isaiah 7:9)
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To: SeekAndFind

Galatians 3:1-10 teaches a strong law free gospel - You foolish Galatians, who has bewitched you, before whose eyes Jesus Christ was publicly portrayed as crucified? This is the only thing I want to find out from you: did you receive the Spirit by the works of the Law, or by hearing with faith? Are you so foolish? Having begun by the Spirit, are you now being perfected by the flesh? Did you suffer so many things in vain— if indeed it was in vain? Does He then, who provides you with the Spirit and works miracles among you, do it by the works of the Law, or by hearing with faith? Even so Abraham believed God, and it was reckoned to him as righteousness. Therefore, be sure that it is those who are of faith who are sons of Abraham. And the Scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, preached the gospel beforehand to Abraham, saying, “All the nations shall be blessed in you.” 9 So then those who are of faith are blessed with Abraham, the believer. For as many as are of the works of the Law are under a curse; for it is written, “Cursed is everyone who does not abide by all things written in the book of the law, to perform them.”


13 posted on 12/09/2012 5:40:06 PM PST by Olympiad Fisherman
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To: SeekAndFind

A: Many who consider themselves “Christians” are not at all.


14 posted on 12/09/2012 5:43:59 PM PST by WorkingClassFilth
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To: spintreebob

” But we are not to impose our Christian values on others and force them to practice the golden-rule or any other Christian teaching.”

But we are to call to task those who profess to be Christian and operate outside Christian values. See church discipline.


15 posted on 12/09/2012 5:46:09 PM PST by Blue Collar Christian (I hope we're ready to get a real candidate next time. C'mon GOP! <BCC><)
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Can't you just imagine the above was the scene with Obama and his Commie staff after stealing the election through voter fraud- while Conservatives blame Romney, argue, point fingers, blather on about who to run in four years, 'starting a new party', and try to figure out how to suck up to minorities the 'next time'?

Next time? What makes you think the massive voter fraud in this last farce of an election won't be repeated? If we don't clean up our voting system, there may not be a next time. We may not see another Republican president in our lifetime


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Map from Barack Obama Voter Fraud 2012


What most refuse to acknowledge is that it was unlikely that ANYBODY could have beaten the voter fraud planned and perpetrated by the Obama machine. They seem to prefer pointing fingers, blaming Romney and blathering on about who to run in 2016 and how to suck up to the minorities.

>Polls indicated that Romney was going to win the election.

>The economy is close to Great Depression era conditions, and unemployment is almost as high as when Obama entered office.

>Economic conditions became so dire after Obama took office it prompted the rise of an entire new movement, the Tea Party.

>Presidents rarely win reelection when the economy is in the tank.

>Mitt knew it too, when he was met by several thousand in that parking garage cheering him when he arrived unannounced at that airport, and he put his hand over his heart and said, 'This is how you know you've won'.

So how did Romney lose a race that numerous reputable polls and pundits predicted would be an easy win, based on historical patterns?

Massive voter fraud.

That and no other reason

Almost every major Conservative website has put out an article charging voter fraud- Breitbart, American Thinker, Atlas Shrugs, WND, The Blaze, Front Page Magazine, Fox News, The Daily Caller, Town Hall, Human Events, Canada Free Press...


We can not wait for 2014 and 2016 to regroup and figure out new strategies. By then it will be too late. The Marxist/Muslim usurper will have completed his planned distruction of America. That's what people fail to understand.

We must act NOW.

Start with the election. If we let the Rats get away with this massive voter fraud, we're no better than a bananna republic.

We must keep digging and pounding him every day, in every way we can- phony birth certificate, Benghazi, Fast and Furious, his hidden life, records....




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Col Allen West; "I don't want to see America become like Zimbabwe where people don’t trust their electoral process. If we cannot trust the integrity of the voting system then we are no longer a free republic".

Col West has opened the door.

We must fight election fraud.

It falls on ‘We the People’.

Silence is consent

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The website,'Barack Obama Vote Fraud 2012' is keeping a running account of cases of voter fraud and what to do about it:

Visit the site- Here

(Astonishing!)




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Believe it or not, there ARE patriots out there who are going to FIGHT Obama's reelection- unlike the spinless Republicans who remain silent!

Visit the website; 'The Competent Conservative'

Here

'These elections are NOT certified yet. The only way to get this investigated, much less recounted or overturned, is through the Secretary of State of each of the five key states: Florida, Virginia, Ohio, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin. EVEN IF YOU ARE IN ANOTHER STATE you can help. But it won’t do any good to dilute our effort to challenge California or Michigan or other states. Until a major group gets involved to do more, here is the plan: Contact the Secretary of State of the state in question. See contact information below... '





Visit the website, 'Halt Voter Fraud':

Here

'This election is not over - YET. Obama has not been elected by the Electoral College - YET. The Presidential election is being stolen from us with "Chicago Style" thuggery - and we can STOP the thieves in their tracks. But we do not have time on our side. This is our LAST chance. Don't give up. We must act now.

If massive voter fraud has occured as alleged by so many, and if the state vote counts include these FRAUDULENT votes, then is it logical to say that the entire state vote is COMPROMISED and can't be trusted? 59,000,000 Americans might agree!

The state vote is used to determine the allocation of Electors in the Electoral College which actually elects the President and Vice President.

If the vote count is FRAUDULENT, FLAWED, and CAN'T BE TRUSTED - and if the Electors have been FRAUDULENTLY allocated based on FLAWED vote counts - then WE CANNOT ALLOW THE GOVERNORS TO SIGN THEIR CERTIFICATES of ASCERTAINMENT on December 17th. We can stop this if we ACT IMMEDIATELY.

***** CALL TO ARMS ***** FIVE STATE CAPITOLS ***** SEVEN DAYS *******

Patriots must rally NOW in the State Capitols of Harrisburg,PA - Richmond, VA - Tallahassee, FL - Columbus, OH, and Madison, WI ****** MASSIVE RALLIES ** *** PATRIOT LEADERS ORGANIZE YOUR LOCAL EFFORTS NOW, coordinate with the other PATRIOT groups as they also rally, let us know who you are and how you will respond, how we can help.

Remember the Battle of Trenton?

We can make HISTORY TODAY.'

More- Here

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Obama Voter Fraud on FaceBook- Here

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Sign this petition- almost 117,000 and counting -cards, email- Here

Sign the ‘We The People’ petition. It has 60,000 signatures and counting- Here

Click and sign the petition for a recount Here-

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CANADA FREE PRESS: Here

WND List of voter fraud reports Here
ATLAS SHRUGS voter fraud list. Here


Republican pole watchers; busloads of Somalians brought in Here
Another poll watcher observes voter fraud Here

Hannity and Col Allan West slam voter fraud Nov 12- Here

Photo of SOMALIANS brought to Ohio voting stations by the busload, 95% of whom did not speak English, and told to vote for Obama, straight Dem ticket- Here

'Human Events', report pollwatcher eyewitness to busload of Somalians at Ohio poll, spoke no English, told to vote Obama Here

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Must watch videos!

VIDEO-- Programmer Testifies About Rigging Elections With Vote Counting- Here

VIDEO- Illegal Aliens Caught Voting and Stealing Elections In Florida In Vast Numbers- Here

VIDEO- MICHAEL SAVAGE: How Obama fixed the 2012 election- Here

VIDEO- Massive voter fraud discovered in April- Here

VIDEO- Whistle blower speaks out about voter fraud- Here



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Voter fraud from Tea Party: Here

The American Dream- 22 Signs That Voter Fraud Is Wildly Out Of Control And The Election Was A Sham: Here

Town Hall : Obama Likely Won The Election Through Voter Fraud: Here

American Thinker: Was The Election Stolen:? Here

WSVN-TV Almost 1K Ballots Found In Broward Elections Warehouse: Here

Pundit Press; In Florida Obama Got Over 99% In Broward County Precincts: Here

Natural News.com: 19,605 to Zero IS Statistical Proof Of Outright Vote Fraud in 2012 Presidential Election: Here

Realville, USA: The Great Election Robbery of 2012? Here

WND: Here's How Touchscreens Killed Romney Votes: Here

The American Dream: Election Fraud? Obama Won More Than 99% Of The Vote in More Than 100 Ohio Precincrs: Here

WND: The Big List Of Voter Fraud Reports: Here

Nachum's List of Voter Fraud: Here

MORE:

Newt Gingrich 360: Here

Appalachian Forums: Here

Before It's News: Here

WND: Here

Political Outcast: Here

True The Vote: Here

Fox News Insider: Here

Human Events; Here

The Will County News: Here

Fox News: Here

WND: Here

Townhall: Here

Breitbart Here

Accuracy In Media The Left's national voter fraud strategy exposed: Here

Thousands of military votes uncounted or missing: Here

Human Events: Here

Front Page Magazine: Here

The Blaze Here

The Daily Caller: Here

Front Page Magazine Here

Military Voter Protection Project: Here

BreitBart Here

Townhall: Here

Fox News Here

The Blaze Here






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The best Obama Exposure site on the net, The Obama File: Here

The United StatesLibrary of Congress has selected TheObamaFile.com for inclusion in its historic collection of Internet materials Here





16 posted on 12/09/2012 5:56:27 PM PST by patriot08 (NATIVE TEXAN)
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To: SeekAndFind
Don't think we've used ANTINOMIANISM since the 1996 election. Big discussions on it then ~ but FR wasn't exactly the FR we know today ~ actually the internet wasn't the same as it is now.

One of the corollaries of antinomianism is the view expressed by so many Catholic politicians that they are personally opposed to killing babies, but if that's your bag go to it.

Another common antinomianistic Catholic corollary is that they don't want to push Catholic morals and dogma in Protestant faces ~ BTW, they do that without even knowing any Protestants so how do they know what Protestants really believe anyway. That's possibly the most extreme form of antinomianism ~ to escape your own core beliefs by blaming it on the scornful glance of others.

It's my observation that many people ~ whether Catholic, Jewish or Protestant, or Buddhist or Hindu or Moslem IN THE USA seek to avoid conflict with friends and family by avoiding discussion of basic moral precepts ~ even those common to almost every civilized community on the planet!

Overseas the Moslems are willing to speak up and kill each other over these issues ~ many of them sexual or pork flavored in nature to be sure, but that's overseas ~ not here.

We have a country with people in it from every land, who believe every religion, and hold every political belief. The way we have been meeting our obligation to our posterity to pass on to them a moral code or set of standards that are both workable and useful is to pass the buck ~ which is the very essence of antinomianism.

In the long run that won't work. China with its 300 million body of Christians might figure it out ~ but so too might the Russian Orthodox church.

Frankly when I compare Nancy Pelosi to Putin I prefer Putin ~ and it's all over this issue of antinomianism. Pelosi's people are abominable ~ no value, no interest in values, they worship money and the basest sort of murders. The Russians, even after 70 years of Communist clap trap and BS, still feel guilty about it ~

17 posted on 12/09/2012 6:12:25 PM PST by muawiyah
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Simple. Study the Emergent church/Progressive ideology. The purpose driven/mystical movements and all of their many off springs.

Look at a Mega church and try not to see evil and idolatry.

The church has been infiltrated as well, and people who don’t know any better are full of teachings from enemies of God.

Look at the “Urban” movement out of Willow Creek, the Urban Bible- the voter fraud of of city Baptist and AME churches- and Zondervan publishing.


18 posted on 12/09/2012 6:13:16 PM PST by Truth2012
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To: SeekAndFind

Good article. Thanks for posting.


19 posted on 12/09/2012 6:19:34 PM PST by ReformationFan
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To: SeekAndFind

In the Religion forum, on a thread titled Antinomianism: The Soft Heresy (How could Christians vote to outlaw their own religious values?), SeekAndFind wrote:
THE BIG QUESTION:
So how could a Christian faith so unified with other denominations all across the country vote so consistently to outlaw its own historical and religious values?

The answer is quite simple....The political opposition with all of its venues available decided not to make it an issue

Why we lost...http://www.theusmat.com/


20 posted on 12/09/2012 6:23:11 PM PST by mosesdapoet ("A voice crying in the wilderness make streight for the way of the Lord")
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To: Alex Murphy

Yeah, it’s not like the U.S. Bishops helped the Dems pass ObamaCare, or push “comprehensive immigration reform”, or insist on higher taxes under the false doctrine of “social justice”.


21 posted on 12/09/2012 7:05:46 PM PST by SecondAmendment (Restoring our Republic at 9.8357x10^8 FPS)
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To: spintreebob

This does not prevent others from imposing their values on us. Fact is, many non-believers think our values are valueless, indeed harmful. It does matter WHAT you believe. What a society believes about what is good behavior is the basis of its laws. Nonbelievers are now trying to use the law to say what is good behavior and what is bad. Gays believe that saying that sodomy is bad behavior is wrong and should no more be tolerated than saying that blacks are inferior to whites.


22 posted on 12/09/2012 8:52:13 PM PST by RobbyS (Christus rex.)
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To: fso301
"Just consider the Seven Churches of Asia described in the book of Revelation. God was/is only pleased with one."

Actually there were two of the seven Churches that Jesus had nothing bad to say against: Smyrna and Philadelphia.

23 posted on 12/10/2012 1:18:52 AM PST by circlecity
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To: SeekAndFind
I am tired of people misunderstanding "Antinomianism."

It has been well said, that if you are not accused of being antinomian, then you are not preaching the Gospel.

We are free in Christ period but the question is, is what we do contingent on what we believe or the other way around?

I would be the first one to say that voting for Obama means you are not a Christian; but is that really true?

My feelings of revulsion and contempt for Obama are as strong as anybody on Free Republic, and I am not kidding.

But in truth and reality, you are free in Christ and what you do is between you and God. The blood of Christ does not leave you because you do something evil or do something boneheaded as voting for Obama. The blood of Christ is far more powerful than that. My tagline says it best.

24 posted on 12/10/2012 3:33:02 AM PST by Tolkien (Grace is the Essence of the Gospel; Gratitude is the Essence of Ethics.)
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