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1 posted on 12/10/2012 12:55:34 PM PST by Morgana
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So true - I have sat in on many a relative’s AA meetings and their “award ceremonies.”

I find people who have (or had) great troubles, but each has done a great deal of prayer and self-introspection. They have a level of understanding of themselves and the failings of humanity that most people do not have.


2 posted on 12/10/2012 1:16:31 PM PST by PGR88
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Could post links to the other installments?


3 posted on 12/10/2012 1:18:45 PM PST by garjog (Heroes Died. Obama Lied.)
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4 posted on 12/10/2012 1:24:26 PM PST by GOP Poet
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Great article. I’m having a facebook biblical discussion about this exact thing. Sort of. He is a Jew for Jesus, discussing biblical lineage, and how it relates to modern times.

This is where we differ. (”Remember that Isaac had both Esau and Jacob. Esau was, also, a father of the Arabs. Most importantly, it was Jacob’s children that were the 12 tribes of Israel (since Jacob’s name was changed to Israel in Genesis).”)

(My response)
Abraham’s First son Ishmael, was the illigitimate son of a slave. Sarah, Abraham’s wife didn’t trust God could give her a child at 90. (We always get in trouble when we don’t trust God.) Sarah then had her promised son Isaac. Once Sarah concieved Isaac, the bad blood between the two children started with Sarah and her maid Hagar. Sarah wanted to get rid of Hagar. “Do not be so distressed about the boy and your maidservant. Listen to whatever Sarah tells you, because it is through Isaac that your offspring will be reckoned. I will make the son of the maidservant into a nation also, because he is your offspring” (21:12-13).

Ishmael and Isaac are patriarchs of two separate nations. Muslims have a servant-master relationship with God. Mohammed’s father was Abd Allah, (slave of Allah). Jews and Christians have a Father-son relationship with God.

Ishmael, son of Abraham and his maid, and ½ brother of Isaac inherited a nation, but was not part of Abraham’s covenant with God. Ishmael became father of the Arab nations. Isaac, Abraham’s legitimate son with his wife Sarah, inherited Abraham’s covenant with God.

Agreed, Jacob is the son of Isaac and the grandson of Abraham and God changed Jacob’s name to Israel. Jacob had 4 wives and 12 sons, who became the 12 tribes of Israel. So yes, Abraham, Isaac,Jacob father of the Jews.

Isaac, had twin sons, Esau and Jacob. Esau was in constant battle with Jacob since the womb. Esau also gave up/lost his inheritance for a bowl of lentils. Esau wanted to kill Jacob, who had temperance. Esau symbolized those “living in the flesh, and not putting God first”. Gen 25

The New Testament changed everything, but fulfilled Old Testament prophecy and gave all nations the opportunity for the Covenant with God. The Letter of Paul explained, (2:13); “You are no longer strangers and sojourners, but you are fellow citizens with the holy ones and members of the household of God” (2:19).

The New Testament explains that the differences among men are no longer in lineage, but in spirit, according to God’s word. Romans makes that association between good and evil referring back to Jacob.

Romans 9:11–14 though they were not yet born and had done nothing either good or bad—in order that God’s purpose of election might continue, not because of works but because of him who calls— 12 she was told, “The older will serve the younger.” 13 As it is written, “Jacob I loved, but Esau I hated.”

We are in a spiritual battle between good and evil, like Esau and Jacob who battled in the womb. Abraham’s inheritance is for those that don’t turn from God, for meaningless things (a bowl of lentils).


8 posted on 12/10/2012 3:32:06 PM PST by mgist
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11 posted on 12/10/2012 4:28:16 PM PST by Sergio (An object at rest cannot be stopped! - The Evil Midnight Bomber What Bombs at Midnight)
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