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Reflections on Newtown Shooting
pastormatthew ^ | Matthew R. St. John

Posted on 12/14/2012 2:53:56 PM PST by Morgana

Three thoughts come to my mind, and if they can help you then please receive them as some contribution to your effort to deal with the unfolding trauma. First, we have to remember that God bears us up right now in the midst of it all. Psalm 68:19 declares, “Blessed be the Lord, who daily bears us up; God is our salvation.” In those simple words I am reminded that our Lord can carry us even today. He is with us and has not forgotten us. Moreover, he alone is our hope.

Secondly, it helps me to remember there is hope beyond the grave. Psalm 23:4 points out that even in Death’s valley, God is with us; we need not fear. Furthermore, as the psalmist points out in Psalm 23:6, he shall dwell with the Lord forever. This, of course, is the great promise for all of us who believe in Christ.

Lastly, I have to cling to the fact that God will deal with the injustices and terrors of our world. Romans 12:19 reminds us that vengeance belongs to the Lord; he will right all wrongs and judge those who inflict pain.

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TOPICS: Evangelical Christian; Moral Issues; Prayer
KEYWORDS: prayer; school; shooting

1 posted on 12/14/2012 2:54:04 PM PST by Morgana
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To: Morgana

EVIL...that’s what comes to mind.

One cannot stop an individual who’s heart if filled with evil


2 posted on 12/14/2012 3:04:22 PM PST by Ouderkirk (Obama has turned America into an aristocracy of the unaccomplished.)
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To: Ouderkirk

Yes—one CAN stop an individual who’s heart is filled with evil.

The way you stop a killer with a gun is to have a good guy with a gun in position to shoot the SOB.


3 posted on 12/14/2012 3:09:09 PM PST by basil (Second Amendment Sisters.org)
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To: Morgana

I was thinking about why these type of events seem to be happening more frequently.

If somehow we were able to magically remove all firearms from society, would the killers still kill?

When I was a kid , we used to transport .22 rifles on our bicycles to the hills at the edge of town for target practice & no one paid any attention. No one ever got hurt & we never dreamed of committing such acts of violence.

Something has changed. It’s not the guns.


4 posted on 12/14/2012 3:19:16 PM PST by jimbobfoster
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To: Morgana

Saying a prayer for the teachers there, they protected so many of those other children. Ordinary people in extraordinary circumstances. I have no other words.


5 posted on 12/14/2012 3:29:41 PM PST by SueRae (It isn't over. In God We Trust.)
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To: jimbobfoster

When America started to turn away from God the results we see today were determined. Pray for our country.Pray for these grieving families.


6 posted on 12/14/2012 3:31:13 PM PST by codder too
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To: Ouderkirk
"One cannot stop an individual who’s heart if filled with evil"

Really? When was the last time a lone gunman of some sort walked into a group of politicians and calmly gunned down a dozen or so of them? It doesn't happen, and it doesn't happen because there are always people around to guard our "precious" politicians.

If someone cared about protecting the kids half the teachers and all the administrators would have been both armed and trained in how best to defend the children in their care. Instead, they're unarmed and trained to lead the survivors out to the parking lot and hope the police show up before the gunman reloads and heads their way.

Actions speak louder than words and the actions say, "it's just some kids". We slaughter children by the millions with both abortion and contraceptives so what's the big deal?

At least, that's the way I see it. YMMV

7 posted on 12/14/2012 3:32:47 PM PST by Rashputin (Jesus Christ doesn't evacuate His troops, He leads them to victory.)
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To: Morgana

You know what? I’m more sick and tired of the drivel that’s published after events like this than I am of the events themselves.

The ENTIRE COUNTRY is NOT traumatized. Only the people who knew the victims are traumatized.

Events like this should not, and DO NOT, cause most believers to question their faith or their belief in God. It’s stupid for reporters to run to churches and interview “believers” about whether they still believe.

There is nothing we can learn, or do, “to make sure nothing like this ever happens again.” It is going to happen again.


8 posted on 12/14/2012 3:33:54 PM PST by Arthur McGowan (If you're FOR sticking scissors in a baby girl's neck and sucking out her brains, you are PRO-WOMAN!)
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To: basil

No, you cannot stop someone with evil in their heart.

guns or no guns.


9 posted on 12/14/2012 3:35:01 PM PST by Ouderkirk (Obama has turned America into an aristocracy of the unaccomplished.)
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To: Ouderkirk

You can’t stop evil but you can mitigate the damage it does. Huddling in corners is not a good idea when evil is intent on mass murder. God rest their souls and bless their loved ones who have to live with this act of evil.


10 posted on 12/14/2012 3:47:25 PM PST by jwalsh07
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To: Rashputin

The bottom line is that if someone gets it in their head that they are going to kill you, you’re as good as dead. The demented mind finds a way to make it happen. I could use a gun, bomb, fire, toxin, knife, drown, asphyxiate, or plain old misadventure.

Maybe not today, or tomorrow, but if I got it in my head that I was going to kill you....you would die. You can say to me “bring it punk”, and that’s fine, but like I said...it doesn’t have to be today, tomorrow, next week, or next month. But on the other hand you’re assuming a frontal assault and the method of your demise would be my choice.

You get the point. Gun control is not the answer here. Neither is more security or any other of the myriad of things that will be floated to try to prevent this from happening again.

Evil is just evil, and evil must be addressed at the source.


11 posted on 12/14/2012 3:53:05 PM PST by Ouderkirk (Obama has turned America into an aristocracy of the unaccomplished.)
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To: Morgana

...and forgive us our trespasses as we forgive those who trespass against us and deliver us from evil. Amen.


12 posted on 12/14/2012 3:56:07 PM PST by mc5cents
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To: Rashputin
‘’Really? When was the last time a lone gunman of some sort walked into a group of politicians and calmly gunned down a dozen or so of them? It doesn't happen, and it doesn't happen because there are always people around to guard our “precious” politicians.””

Amen brother..!!

13 posted on 12/14/2012 3:59:14 PM PST by unread (Eagles don't eat flys...)
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To: Morgana

Our culture, our Society have brought forth at east two generations ( and possibly three) that have an abundance of members who have no conscience. If these young murderers ever knew right from wrong, they simply didn’t care about it. It is the conscience that needs to be taught, it is not innate. And belief in The Lord would go a long way in the teaching of it.


14 posted on 12/14/2012 4:06:12 PM PST by originalbuckeye
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To: Arthur McGowan
You are entirely correct. All this weeping and gnashing of teeth is driven by mass media given over to emoting and the purveying of demogoguery. I thought of this tonight driving home, as I listened to some Fox correspondent on Hugh Hewitt get all teary and starting to blubber up.

I didn't know anyone in Connecticut and I don't miss the perfect strangers who died. I know it really sucks for their families, and I would not want to be in their shoes. But my getting all emotional and sanctimonious about it half a continent away does no good for any of them.

15 posted on 12/14/2012 4:23:54 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: Morgana

Is it time to ask why so many men seem to be losing it? We look at every other group when a crime is committed (race, religion, political leanings) but never gender. Maybe it’s time to start having that discussion.


16 posted on 12/14/2012 4:36:47 PM PST by TwelveOfTwenty (Ho, ho, hey, hey, I'm BUYcotting Chick-Fil-A)
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To: Morgana

I’m no fan of my governor (Conn) Dannel Malloy, but I was very glad to hear him start one of his pressers with what this was. “Evil visited this community today.”


17 posted on 12/14/2012 4:46:08 PM PST by Betis70 ("Leading from Behind" gets your Ambassador killed)
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To: Morgana

This is my position, where did the guns come from?


18 posted on 12/14/2012 5:31:10 PM PST by Undecided 2012
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To: Morgana

17,000 + Connecticut mothers ended the lives of their unborn children according to the last available figures in 2009.

There was no outrage.


19 posted on 12/14/2012 5:45:20 PM PST by listenhillary (Courts, law enforcement, roads and national defense should be the extent of government)
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To: jimbobfoster
Something has changed. It’s not the guns.

In those days; our culture was still pro-life, and we had not turned our backs on G-d.

20 posted on 12/14/2012 5:52:42 PM PST by who knows what evil? (G-d saved more animals than people on the ark...www.siameserescue.org.)
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To: Morgana

Too much hype about the mayan 2012 prediction, the never ending nonstop “Fiscal Cliff” off the MSM, its a New Moon and last but not least Obama stole the election and nobody cares.

One could say none of this applied to the shooter but a single issue is on everyone’s mind and some people do indeed see all these issues together and just say to themselves, the hell with it all, the hell with everything and since they cannot target those that are causing the problem they look for targets of opportunity.


21 posted on 12/14/2012 6:03:44 PM PST by Eye of Unk (A Civil Cold War in America is here, its already been declared.)
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To: Undecided 2012

Bingo!

They were his mother’s guns. She allowed her mentally ill son have access to guns.


22 posted on 12/14/2012 6:57:50 PM PST by joshua c (Please dont feed the liberals)
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To: TwelveOfTwenty

Totally agree. Look at the mass shootings this year, namely the movie theater in July and the mall in Oregon this week. Young, early 20s, white male, seemingly ‘educated’ and having some type of family connection (not homeless/no one knew who they were).

I am in my 30s and see a huge difference between people my age and those in their early 20s. The Internet is probably the biggest change...bizarre, troubled, even criminal, behavior finds a home there. There seems to be a disconnect between human interaction and fantasy world.


23 posted on 12/14/2012 7:25:10 PM PST by AUJenn
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To: Ouderkirk
If schools can worry about whether or not a third grade boy who likes pink goes home with a black eye, they can sure as Hell be worry about whether or not all the children go home alive.

People are forced by law to have their kids in schools where those responsible should be responsible rather than fatalistic. When they talk about wanting to make sure some oddball kid isn't bullied, they talk being "proactive". When it comes to considering how to defend the lives of the children they are responsible for, though, everyone becomes fatalistic. Schools that are responsible for children who are there in compliance with the law should at least not be very clearly the easiest target for anyone who goes insane and wants to murder a crowd.

Your average nutcase might still target children on a playground as has been done or otherwise target a specific school for a reason. More often than not, though, these things are done by those are not in the same league as dedicated killers intent on doing whatever they have to in order to take out a specific target and who may even relish being confronted.

Even Columbine where there was advance planning would have required a much greater degree of dedication had the perps known they would be confronted by multiple armed adults who had been trained to protect rather than maybe trained how to evacuate.

There will always be people in groups in ways that make them an easy target but that in no way excuses the places where people are forced to leave their children being the easiest targets because those who are responsible forgo any means to resist an armed assailant.

24 posted on 12/14/2012 9:39:47 PM PST by Rashputin (Jesus Christ doesn't evacuate His troops, He leads them to victory.)
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To: hinckley buzzard

Obama: “I don’t want any woman punished with a Kindergartener.”


25 posted on 12/14/2012 10:45:00 PM PST by Arthur McGowan (If you're FOR sticking scissors in a baby girl's neck and sucking out her brains, you are PRO-WOMAN!)
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To: Rashputin

To me, this sort of thing is direct result of a debauching of the culture advocated by the very persons who will now seek to disarm us, to protect us from the very thing that they have created.

The answer to all of this is not a police state. The added security you point to in you post is just another step in the advancement of that. Adams and Jefferson were right. A free society is based in morality. Something that has been driven to the margins in the present day.

Think back to when you were in kindergarten, while for myself it was a half century ago, I do recall the openness of the school building in as much as the doors were unlocked
and unmonitored during the school day.

Fast forward 50 years and we need to have armed guards posted in our schools?

What has become of the morality of our nation?

Why is there this need for those who are unhappy to kill 20-30 people and then kill themselves? If you’re a miserable POS and you want to kill yourself, then you can have right at it. Why do you need to take others with you?

It goes back to the narcissistic culture that has been created by the leftards and the communists in the democRAT party. They have created a pressure cooker society where the weakest amongst us lash out to destroy others in their despair of their inability to navigate the world.

I fear that the communists have won. I don’t think that what once was is recoverable.


26 posted on 12/15/2012 12:01:07 AM PST by Ouderkirk (Obama has turned America into an aristocracy of the unaccomplished.)
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To: Ouderkirk
"i>"The added security you point to in you post is just another step in the advancement of that. "

What added security???

Either the people who are put in charge of and made responsible for the children the law requires we turn over to them accept that responsibility and are willing to defend those children, or they're not.

I don't propose adding a single individual who isn't already there, in place, and in theory responsible for our children when in reality they're not permitted to defend either the lives of the children or their own lives.

How is telling the Principal and others that if he/she isn't willing to arm themselves to defend the lives of students by shooting down an armed assailant in the school that they're not qualified to be responsible for the children adding anything to State power?

Do you really think the teachers in those one room school houses didn't have a Peacemaker in their desk drawer or a Winchester in a rack above the blackboard? How does returning to that same attitude do anything like what you're hung up on?

People being permitted to defend themselves and those who they're responsible for is returning power to individuals, not turning anything over to the increased government control.

27 posted on 12/15/2012 12:43:57 AM PST by Rashputin (Jesus Christ doesn't evacuate His troops, He leads them to victory.)
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To: Rashputin

The schools of Education would never allow for what you are suggesting. They would never add a course in firearms training to their curriculum either for teacher training or graduate administrators.

Without question these schools are the intellectual slums of every university. And with the Dewey/Marcuse mindset of egalitarian education what you are suggesting would never be allowed by the marxists running them.

I’m not disagreeing, with your assertion but my wife is a school principal and she has enough trouble with me owning guns and she refuses to even touch them.

Therein lies the only real problem with your assertion. I agree with you that this should be the responsibility of those whom we entrust our children, but there are not exactly a whole lot of men who work in these places. Lest of all the types who hunt/fish and are competent with a firearm.

The schools of education simply put into place coursework that would offend you and I. We would so adamantly disagree with the course content that there is no way that you can get a passing grade.

How could we mandate that a shivering pile of humanity provide the protection from a madman?

Like I poited out, 50 years ago the there were very few outside doors on the school building that were locked during school hours and there was no-one monitoring those doors.

The problem is the culture that the left has created and now seeks to remedy. Civility goes hand in hand with morality, and the later has been driven out of our society.

There is no morality anymore. there is no golden rule of doing unto others as you would have them do unto you. There is only; if it feels, good do it.

So if it feels good to shoot up a school and kill kindergarteners then that’s what happens.


28 posted on 12/15/2012 4:51:11 AM PST by Ouderkirk (Obama has turned America into an aristocracy of the unaccomplished.)
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