Skip to comments.What if Mary had known about abortion?
Posted on 12/15/2012 5:20:33 AM PST by ReformationFan
Recently I saw a t-shirt that said, "The Virgin Mary was an Unwed Teenage Mother." That's true and it reminded me of an interruption that took place at a Quebec pro-life conference back in October of this year. LifeSiteNews.com says about a dozen pro-choice protestors descended upon an evangelical church where the conference was being held, chanting blasphemous slogans, one of which was a French pro-abortion sing-song against the Virgin Mary: Ah si Marie avait connu l'avortment, on n'aurait pas tous ces emmerdement.s. Translated this means, "Oh, If Mary had known about abortion, we wouldn't have to deal with all this nonsense." 
Mary was surely a remarkable young woman. When the angel Gabriel came to her and announced she would bear the Messiah as a virgin, Mary embraced the will of God knowing the sacrifices it would likely bring (Luke 1:26-38). The plans for her marriage would be scuttled. For when the news of her pregnancy reached her espoused husband, Joseph, he would seek to put her away privately. It was only after Joseph was confronted by an angel himself that he decided to follow through on the marriage (Matthew 1:18-20). Her pregnancy would also cast a shadow of scandal over her and her family. This was seen in a skirmish Jesus had with the religious leaders of his day, when he referred to them as children of the devil. They in turn viciously shot-back at Him with the intimation that He was a bastard child, born of fornication (John 8:41).
By today's standards in a culture of death, this teenage mother would have been urged to abort her child. But what if it had been possible for Mary to abort Jesus?
In his book, What if Jesus Had Never Been Born, the late Dr. D. James Kennedy writes
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"The Virgin Mary was an Unwed Teenage Mother."You have to really strain your neck to look past Mother of God.
I’ve always said I’m waiting for the day the Left tries to delegitimize Christianity by making the point Mary didn’t have a choice in the matter. (If they haven’t already.)
“Ah si Marie avait connu l’avortment, on n’aurait pas tous ces emmerdement.s.”
Unnecessary roughness. Stupid, immature and uncultured.
(who yesterday spotted a bumper sticker saying "Pro-Life" in the Coca-Cola font)
There were methods of abortion known at that time, look at the Roman culture and history. And no doubt those methods were known among the Jews of Israel. It is that Mary believed God’s message to her that has been a blessing to all of us today. For faithful Jews, they then as today reject abortion.
The person who made the quote was only wanting to have his or her on desire to destroy life to be accepted without question.
The world is still a difficult and evil place to exist, even after 2000 years of the spreading of Jesus’ message; as a historian, I can’t really imagine how much worse it would be without that message and of His sacrifice for our salvation.
..and the point about life - this is an argument that stands with strength - the difference between Christian and Moslem - in that, Christ, the Son of God brought to those that know him and love him - and accept Him - he gives life - success - and well being...compared to the counter. Evil transgresses throughout daily life - but having a shield that deflects and knocks it away gives us the time to do good for humanity...where we are not tearing down society, destroying, and targeting those that may not have our religious beliefs and condemning them to death...
This article and the beginning struggle that the Holy Mother had to endure proves why Christianity is the savior of mankind and why nations that prescribe to Christian beliefs in their public institutions and daily life succeed.
Good article and I agree with his main points. However, I always cringe a little when someone, especially a fellow Christian, refers to Mary as “an un-wed mother”. Though I understand the facility of applying this term to Mary to try to draw a sympathetic connection to un-wed mothers in our modern society, this isn’t the case at all.
“In the sixth month, the angel Gabriel was sent from God to a town of Galilee called Nazareth, to a virgin betrothed to a man named Joseph, of the house of David, and the virgins name was Mary.” (Luke 1:26-27). In considering the marriage of Joseph and Mary it is important to grasp from the outset the Jewish conception of the betrothal as distinguished from the marriage ceremony itself. A betrothal among the Jews was different from an engagement as we know it. The espousals were a solemn contract concerning a marriage; they were made before witnesses, and had for object the union of the parties. According to Jewish legislation, the betrothal established between the bride and the groom a legal bond much closer than with us. The betrothed woman was considered as the wife of the man from the moment of the betrothal (Deuteronomy 22:23-24), although she had not yet entered the habitation of her husband. The husband could not repudiate his betrothed without giving her a bill of divorce; in case of fornication with another man the betrothed was treated as an adulteress.
The engaged couple were given, by anticipation, the titles of husband and wife. St. Matthew likewise assigns these titles to Mary and Joseph even before the marriage ceremony had taken place: “Whereupon Joseph her husband, being a just man, and not willing publicly to expose her, was minded to put her away privately. But while he thought on these things, behold the Angel of the Lord appeared to him in his sleep, saying: Joseph, son of David, fear not to take unto thee (by marriage ceremony) Mary thy wife, for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost” (Matthew 1:19-20).
The relationship between Joseph and Mary was closer to being a marriage than, say, our modern concept of engagement. Thus she could not be considered “un-wed”.
Is there any reason to believe the actual wedding didn't occur between the conception and birth of Jesus?
the virgin mary was married to joseph at the time of his birth, so she was NOT an unmarried teenage mother.
We aren't told; only that it apparently hadn't occurred up until the time of the angel's announcement to Joseph.
You really have to be a dork to even think of a scenario such as this.
God willed the coming of Christ, end of discussion.
Mary didn’t think it was punishment being immaculated with a heavenly baby. Plus there were no Planned Messiah-hood centers at that time. (’
The assertion is false on it's face ! shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach
G-d does not have a mother or he is not god! shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach
YHvH: the G-d of Abraham, Isaac & Israel does not have a mother. Seek YHvH in His WORD. Shabbat Shalom !
The creator of the universe does not have a mother. shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach
YHvH: the G-d of Abraham, Isaac & Israel does not have a mother.
Seek YHvH in His WORD.
Shabbat Shalom !
The creator of the universe does not have a mother.(sic)
You continue to omit the caveat "in my unlearned opinion."
God incarnate does indeed have a human mother just as Scripture teaches.
"And whence is this to me, that the mother of my Lord should come to me?" Luke 1:43
Chapter 2. The Second Commandment: Gross Sin Forbidden
And the second commandment of the Teaching; You shall not commit murder, you shall not commit adultery, Exodus 20:13-14 you shall not commit pederasty, you shall not commit fornication, you shall not steal, Exodus 20:15 you shall not practice magic, you shall not practice witchcraft, you shall not murder a child by abortion nor kill that which is begotten. You shall not covet the things of your neighbour, Exodus 20:17 you shall not forswear yourself, Matthew 5:34 you shall not bear false witness, Exodus 20:16 you shall not speak evil, you shall bear no grudge. You shall not be double-minded nor double-tongued; for to be double-tongued is a snare of death. Your speech shall not be false, nor empty, but fulfilled by deed. You shall not be covetous, nor rapacious, nor a hypocrite, nor evil disposed, nor haughty. You shall not take evil counsel against your neighbour. You shall not hate any man; but some you shall reprove, and concerning some you shall pray, and some you shall love more than your own life.
Please distinguish between the mishkan or tabernacle and the shekinah within.shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach
Miriam was instrumental in the creation of the mishkan.
Absolutely not in the creation of the shekinah !
Have a wonderful Sabbath of YHvH !
Without getting into a debate in this thread, what you have to realize that many, and I mean many here on FR [too many to name and I don’t really care to] are Nestorians and don’t understand Trinitarian Doctrine and that the 2nd Person of the Holy Trinity, who from all eternity was a Divine Person with a Divine Nature, humbled himself via the Incarnation and took on our Human Nature, like us in all things save sin [cf, Hebrews 2:17, 4:15].
Now as for the posters in this thread, you have to ask them directly if they are Nestorians and reject the implications of Sacred Scripture per Luke 1:43 and the constant Theological Teaching of the Apostolic CHurch Fathers that Mary was Theotokos which was “Formally and given definitive Definition” at the Council of Ephesus in 431AD.
If Mary knew about abortion, she chose life rather than death for her child.
We're just saying she gave birth to her son, Jesus Christ, and Jesus Christ is God.
She is a creatre, not the "creator" in any way, shape or form.
We are saying, very simply, that she gave birth to her son, Jesus Christ, Who is true God and true Man. That's what Theotokos means, no more and no less.
Jesus is God.
Therefore: Mary is the Mother of God.
You can't get any clearer than that.
She did. While some people seem to think abortion, birth control and other stuff only popped up recently the fact is that they have been around for millennia.
Since they harvested some of their food from the wilds it is unlikely that Mary had no knowledge of certain herbs that would, "bring on menses". Pregnant women who did not want to abort would avoid those foods.
So she did know and she didn't do it.
Mary may have known.
Not about surgical abortion but there were herbs to cause a miscarriage.
Pennyroyal is one of them. Could name a thousand others but you get the point.
She chose to have this baby when she told the Angel “Be it done to me according to thy will”.
It’s too bad many of these atheists don’t attack the Muslims like they do Christians. There be far fewer of them. ;O)
"Behold thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and shalt bring forth a son; and thou shalt call his name Jesus." Luke 1:31
What an unbelievably stupid question.
"Behold thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and shalt bring forth a son; and thou shalt call his name Jesus." Luke 1:31
It means "YHvH is/be my salvation". It's first use in scripture is when Moses משה להושע בן־נון יהושע The change is from Salvation to YHvH is Salvation Seek YHvH in His WORD !
Jesus is an opaque translation shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach
from the Greek
from the original Hebrew: Yah'shua.
changes the NAME of Hoshea, son of Nun
to Joshua. (Num 13:16)
It means "YHvH is/be my salvation".
It's first use in scripture is when Moses
משה להושע בן־נון יהושע
The change is from Salvation to YHvH is Salvation
Seek YHvH in His WORD !
A nice book for Christmas: "Fear Not, Joseph"
That’s a good question. The first thing that comes to mind about Joseph’s experience is that it recalls that other Joseph, the great patriarch from the book of Genesis, to whom God also spoke through dreams. The fact that Mary was approached in a much more direct manner by the angel may be an indication of her much more exalted role in salvation history. Any thoughts?
You’re right, and good to draw the parallel with the patriarch Joseph, who saved Israel’s tribes from famine.
“His mother Mary was pledged to be married to Joseph, but before they came together, she was found to be with child through the Holy Spirit. Because Joseph her husband was a righteous man and did not want to expose her to public disgrace, he had a mind to divorce her quietly.” (Matt. 1:18-19).
How did Joseph learn Mary was pregnant, before the angel appeared to him in the dream (Matt. 1:20-21)?
The angel appeared to Mary, and Mary consented to God’s will.
Mary then went (the narrative in Luke 1:39 seems to indicate she went immediately) to speak with her cousin Elizabeth, who per the angel’s message had also conceived miraculously (but with the agency of man, and was already six months along). What a brave young woman, to go across the countryside (”Nazareth, a town in Galilee” to “a town in the hill country of Judah” by herself — it isn’t indicated who traveled with her. How many miles was that?
Why did Mary go to Elizabeth first? Did Mary tell her parents (if they were around) of the Annunciation? It seems she spoke (at least at first) with Elizabeth, who would certainly be the only other person who could receive direct news of this and still understand.
Who else did Mary tell of her pregnancy?
When were Mary and Joseph officially married? I understand there were different ceremonies for marriage in those days — there was the public contract of marriage and then the time when the husband took his bride home with him. When was the “bridal week” (Gen. 29:27) completed for them?