Amen...
Posted on 12/15/2012 5:20:33 AM PST by ReformationFan
Recently I saw a t-shirt that said, "The Virgin Mary was an Unwed Teenage Mother." That's true and it reminded me of an interruption that took place at a Quebec pro-life conference back in October of this year. LifeSiteNews.com says about a dozen pro-choice protestors descended upon an evangelical church where the conference was being held, chanting blasphemous slogans, one of which was a French pro-abortion sing-song against the Virgin Mary: Ah si Marie avait connu l'avortment, on n'aurait pas tous ces emmerdement.s. Translated this means, "Oh, If Mary had known about abortion, we wouldn't have to deal with all this nonsense." [1]
Mary was surely a remarkable young woman. When the angel Gabriel came to her and announced she would bear the Messiah as a virgin, Mary embraced the will of God knowing the sacrifices it would likely bring (Luke 1:26-38). The plans for her marriage would be scuttled. For when the news of her pregnancy reached her espoused husband, Joseph, he would seek to put her away privately. It was only after Joseph was confronted by an angel himself that he decided to follow through on the marriage (Matthew 1:18-20). Her pregnancy would also cast a shadow of scandal over her and her family. This was seen in a skirmish Jesus had with the religious leaders of his day, when he referred to them as children of the devil. They in turn viciously shot-back at Him with the intimation that He was a bastard child, born of fornication (John 8:41).
By today's standards in a culture of death, this teenage mother would have been urged to abort her child. But what if it had been possible for Mary to abort Jesus?
In his book, What if Jesus Had Never Been Born, the late Dr. D. James Kennedy writes
(Excerpt) Read more at renewamerica.com ...
A.A. Cunningham:
Without getting into a debate in this thread, what you have to realize that many, and I mean many here on FR [too many to name and I don’t really care to] are Nestorians and don’t understand Trinitarian Doctrine and that the 2nd Person of the Holy Trinity, who from all eternity was a Divine Person with a Divine Nature, humbled himself via the Incarnation and took on our Human Nature, like us in all things save sin [cf, Hebrews 2:17, 4:15].
Now as for the posters in this thread, you have to ask them directly if they are Nestorians and reject the implications of Sacred Scripture per Luke 1:43 and the constant Theological Teaching of the Apostolic CHurch Fathers that Mary was Theotokos which was “Formally and given definitive Definition” at the Council of Ephesus in 431AD.
Excellent post.
If Mary knew about abortion, she chose life rather than death for her child.
We're just saying she gave birth to her son, Jesus Christ, and Jesus Christ is God.
She is a creatre, not the "creator" in any way, shape or form.
We are saying, very simply, that she gave birth to her son, Jesus Christ, Who is true God and true Man. That's what Theotokos means, no more and no less.
Creature.
Jesus is God.
Therefore: Mary is the Mother of God.
You can't get any clearer than that.
She did. While some people seem to think abortion, birth control and other stuff only popped up recently the fact is that they have been around for millennia.
Since they harvested some of their food from the wilds it is unlikely that Mary had no knowledge of certain herbs that would, "bring on menses". Pregnant women who did not want to abort would avoid those foods.
So she did know and she didn't do it.
Amen
Mary may have known.
Not about surgical abortion but there were herbs to cause a miscarriage.
Pennyroyal is one of them. Could name a thousand others but you get the point.
She chose to have this baby when she told the Angel “Be it done to me according to thy will”.
Amen...
It’s too bad many of these atheists don’t attack the Muslims like they do Christians. There be far fewer of them. ;O)
"Behold thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and shalt bring forth a son; and thou shalt call his name Jesus." Luke 1:31
What an unbelievably stupid question.
"Behold thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and shalt bring forth a son; and thou shalt call his name Jesus." Luke 1:31
It means "YHvH is/be my salvation". It's first use in scripture is when Moses משה להושע בן־נון יהושע The change is from Salvation to YHvH is Salvation Seek YHvH in His WORD ! Jesus is an opaque translation
shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach
from the Greek
from the original Hebrew: Yah'shua.
changes the NAME of Hoshea, son of Nun
to Joshua. (Num 13:16)
A nice book for Christmas: "Fear Not, Joseph"
That’s a good question. The first thing that comes to mind about Joseph’s experience is that it recalls that other Joseph, the great patriarch from the book of Genesis, to whom God also spoke through dreams. The fact that Mary was approached in a much more direct manner by the angel may be an indication of her much more exalted role in salvation history. Any thoughts?
You’re right, and good to draw the parallel with the patriarch Joseph, who saved Israel’s tribes from famine.
“His mother Mary was pledged to be married to Joseph, but before they came together, she was found to be with child through the Holy Spirit. Because Joseph her husband was a righteous man and did not want to expose her to public disgrace, he had a mind to divorce her quietly.” (Matt. 1:18-19).
How did Joseph learn Mary was pregnant, before the angel appeared to him in the dream (Matt. 1:20-21)?
The angel appeared to Mary, and Mary consented to God’s will.
Mary then went (the narrative in Luke 1:39 seems to indicate she went immediately) to speak with her cousin Elizabeth, who per the angel’s message had also conceived miraculously (but with the agency of man, and was already six months along). What a brave young woman, to go across the countryside (”Nazareth, a town in Galilee” to “a town in the hill country of Judah” by herself — it isn’t indicated who traveled with her. How many miles was that?
Why did Mary go to Elizabeth first? Did Mary tell her parents (if they were around) of the Annunciation? It seems she spoke (at least at first) with Elizabeth, who would certainly be the only other person who could receive direct news of this and still understand.
Who else did Mary tell of her pregnancy?
When were Mary and Joseph officially married? I understand there were different ceremonies for marriage in those days — there was the public contract of marriage and then the time when the husband took his bride home with him. When was the “bridal week” (Gen. 29:27) completed for them?
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