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To: vladimir998

Well, hello again, Vladimir.

Truth be told, I knew about 2 Maccabees. I also knew it was the only place that Catholics could turn to for support.

The fact that in the Old Testament canon, as recognized by the Old Testament church, i.e. the Hebrew Bible, and in the New Testament, there is nothing about burial rites seems not to have left any impression on some. To me - and to many, many, many others it leaves quite an impression. Silence has no echo. I cannot hear what has not been said. To put it more plainly, where God has chosen to be silent, I do not see where it is our prerogative to do differently. God, I am sure, knows what He has said and not said.

Other doctrines are found throughout the Testaments and, usually, in several different places, New Testament doctrines often prefigured or foreshadowed in the Old. This is one that has no support elsewhere. Therefore I find it hard to believe that this is in any way important, since it is not so echoed throughout the Scriptures. I also know that, psychologically/emotionally, this is a useful thing to pull out of one’s pocket in a time of grief when the grieving parties have little or no evidence of faith on the part of the departed. But in that case, what is the purpose of the doctrine, to console on the basis of sure and certain knowledge or console on the basis of wishful thinking and convenience?

If you are looking to turn this into the debate about the deutero-canonical books, I am not particularly interested to participate.


22 posted on 12/16/2012 6:47:09 PM PST by Belteshazzar (We are not justified by our works but by faith - De Jacob et vita beata 2 +Ambrose of Milan)
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To: Belteshazzar

You wrote:

“... there is nothing about burial rites seems not to have left any impression on some.”

It’s not about ‘burial rites’. It’s about prayers for the dead.

“This is one that has no support elsewhere.”

Not so fast there, Sparky: http://www.catholic-convert.com/wp-content/uploads/Documents/Onesiphorus.pdf

“If you are looking to turn this into the debate about the deutero-canonical books, I am not particularly interested to participate.”

I’m not so interested either. You wouldn’t stand a chance any way.

One more thing. You wrote: “Other doctrines are found throughout the Testaments and, usually, in several different places, New Testament doctrines often prefigured or foreshadowed in the Old.”

When you can show me an inspired Table of Contents, I might take that comment seriously.


24 posted on 12/16/2012 6:55:57 PM PST by vladimir998
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To: Belteshazzar
I also knew it was the only place that Catholics could turn to for support.

Except that it isn't, because 2 Macc merely documents what is Jewish practice down to the present day. It is also the common practice of all of the Orthodox Christian churches down to this day. Only Protestants are the odd men out.

32 posted on 12/17/2012 5:45:03 AM PST by Campion ("Social justice" begins in the womb)
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