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What if Mary Had Known About Abortion?
Christian Post ^ | 12/17/2012 | Rev. Mark H. Creech

Posted on 12/17/2012 11:03:53 AM PST by SeekAndFind

Recently I saw a t-shirt that said, "The Virgin Mary was an Unwed Teenage Mother." That's true and it reminded me of an interruption that took place at a Quebec pro-life conference back in October of this year. LifeSiteNews.com says about a dozen pro-choice protestors descended upon an evangelical church where the conference was being held, chanting blasphemous slogans, one of which was a French pro-abortion sing-song against the Virgin Mary: Ah si Marie avait connu l'avortment, on n'aurait pas tous ces emmerdement.s. Translated this means, "Oh, If Mary had known about abortion, we wouldn't have to deal with all this nonsense." [1]

Mary was surely a remarkable young woman. When the angel Gabriel came to her and announced she would bear the Messiah as a virgin, Mary embraced the will of God knowing the sacrifices it would likely bring (Luke 1:26-38). The plans for her marriage would be scuttled. For when the news of her pregnancy reached her espoused husband, Joseph, he would seek to put her away privately.

It was only after Joseph was confronted by an angel himself that he decided to follow through on the marriage (Matthew 1:18-20). Her pregnancy would also cast a shadow of scandal over her and her family. This was seen in a skirmish Jesus had with the religious leaders of his day, when he referred to them as children of the devil. They in turn viciously shot-back at Him with the intimation that He was a bastard child, born of fornication (John 8:41).

By today's standards in a culture of death, this teenage mother would have been urged to abort her child. But what if it had been possible for Mary to abort Jesus? In his book, What if Jesus Had Never Been Born, the late Dr. D. James Kennedy writes at length about the immeasurable impact Christianity has made on the world. Kennedy rightly argues that hospitals, universities, literacy and education for the masses, capitalism and free enterprise, representative government, the separation of political powers, civil liberties, the abolition of slavery, modern science, the discovery of the new world by Columbus, the elevation of women, benevolence and charity, higher standards of justice, the elevation of the common man, the condemnation of adultery, homosexuality and other sexual perversions, which has helped spare the human race, as well as save many from great heartache, a high regard for human life, the civilizing of barbaric and primitive cultures, the codifying and putting to print many of the world's languages, the inspiration for some of the world's greatest pieces of art and music, the countless changed lives from liabilities to assets in society – all have their roots in the Judeo-Christian ethic. [1]

Indeed, if Jesus had never been born it would have created a huge black hole bankrupting the world of the sweetest of treasures.

Of course, the birth of Jesus was unique in that God was taking upon Himself the form of a man. That is much of the beauty of the incarnation of Christ. In that act God dignified and imbued every human life with an inherent value. When God robed himself with human flesh, he was communicating to every age this dramatic declaration, "Everybody is somebody special."

During this season of the year, millions of people across the country will enjoy watching the 1946 Frank Capra film classic, "It's a Wonderful Life." Jimmy Stewart stars as George Bailey, whose life takes an unfortunate turn and he wishes that he was never born. As George stands on a bridge contemplating suicide, an angel sent from God comes to show him through a series of experiences how the world would have been impoverished without him. Then the angel says, "Strange, isn't it? Every man's life touches so many other lives, and when he isn't around he leaves an awful hole to fill, doesn't he?…You see what a mistake it would be to throw it away."

Unfortunately, we often don't see the real costs abortion precipitates. I'm not one accustomed to quoting Joseph Stalin, but in this case I think it's appropriate. Stalin is reported to have said, "A single death is a tragedy, a million deaths is a statistic." Abortion in America is not just statistics, its 55 million tragedies – 55 million "awful holes" in society.

Today thousands of women are considering an abortion. Like Mary, the mother of Jesus, they find themselves in the difficult circumstances of having a child in unfavorable conditions. Surely it crossed Mary's mind that when Joseph found out that she was with child, he wouldn't marry her. Then how would she and her child receive proper support? Surely she thought of the possible humiliation and shame she and her family might undergo. Yet, the Bible teaches this unwed teenage mother accepted God's will and trusted Him implicitly. This is what every woman facing an unexpected and problematic pregnancy ought to do.

Make no mistake. I am not in any way suggesting Mary had been sexually impure. But the situation she faced and its similarities to that of many women who encounter the question of abortion each day is striking, nonetheless. Si Marie avait connu l'avortment – if Mary had known about abortion – if it had been available to her in her own time – if she had chosen an abortion – life would be like Jack London's character, Wolf Larsen said in "Sea Wolf": "Life? Bah! It has no value. Of the cheap things it is the cheapest." [3] It was because of Jesus' birth, the birth of the Son of God – Almighty God Himself identifying with humanity by becoming flesh that every life is sanctified – every life is deemed special. Abortion is throwaway life filling our world with dreadful and profound holes.

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[1] http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/pro-abortion-protesters-storm-church-chanting-if-mary-had-aborted-we-wouldn

[2] D. James Kennedy, "What If Jesus Had Never Been Born?" Thomas Nelson Publishers, Nashville, Tenn., 2001, pg. 3

[3] http://www.jacklondons.net/writings/SeaWolf/toc.html

-- Rev. Mark H. Creech is executive director of the Raleigh-based Christian Action League of North Carolina Inc.


TOPICS: Current Events; Moral Issues; Religion & Culture; Religion & Politics
KEYWORDS: abortion; mary; virgin

1 posted on 12/17/2012 11:03:56 AM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind
The Virgin Mary was an Unwed Teenage Mother." That's true

Now where did you hear this . . . from Jessie Jackson? Where in the hell does it say she was unwed?

2 posted on 12/17/2012 11:07:59 AM PST by laweeks
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To: SeekAndFind

We who believe life begins at conception should really be celebrating March 25 more than Dec 25.

(I know we do but on a much smaller scale).


3 posted on 12/17/2012 11:11:57 AM PST by DManA
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To: laweeks

Hillary said the Christmas story was about a homeless family one Christmas when they were in the WH.


4 posted on 12/17/2012 11:14:18 AM PST by DManA
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To: SeekAndFind
Mary was surely a remarkable young woman.

κεχαριτωμένη

5 posted on 12/17/2012 11:17:50 AM PST by frogjerk (Obama Claus is coming to town!)
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To: SeekAndFind

I think they did know about abortions back then.


6 posted on 12/17/2012 11:21:15 AM PST by stuartcr ("Everything happens as God wants it to, otherwise, things would be different.")
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To: laweeks

Re: “The Virgin Mary was an Unwed Teenage Mother.”

Where in the hell does it say she was unwed?

Matthew 1:18

Now the birth of Jesus Christ was as follows: when His mother Mary had been betrothed to Joseph, before they came together she was found to be with child by the Holy Spirit.

DEFINITION OF BETROTH: To promise to give in marriage:

What I’d really like to know is where in the Bible did it say she was a teenager?


7 posted on 12/17/2012 11:22:03 AM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: stuartcr

RE: I think they did know about abortions back then.

Hmmm... I wonder:

1) If it was legal

2) And if so, what medical technology they used.


8 posted on 12/17/2012 11:23:15 AM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: stuartcr
Tansy was a well known abortifactant long before the time of Jesus.

/johnny

9 posted on 12/17/2012 11:24:02 AM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: frogjerk
RE: κεχαριτωμένη

Ο Κύριος είναι μαζί σου
10 posted on 12/17/2012 11:25:15 AM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: DManA

RE: Hillary said the Christmas story was about a homeless family one Christmas when they were in the WH.

______________________

Tell SHrillary, that if she read her Bible, she would know that the Wise Men ( and we don’t know how many there were ) actually visited the holy family IN THEIR HOUSE, NOT IN THE MANGER.

Matthew 2:11 “And when they were come into the house, they saw the young child with Mary his mother, and fell down, and worshipped him...”

And Matthew 2:16 states that Herod had all the children two years and under slain, according to the time he learned from the wise men.

Matthew 2:16 “Then Herod, when he saw that he was mocked of the wise men, was exceeding wroth, and sent forth, and slew all the children that were in Bethlehem, and in all the coasts thereof, from two years old and under, according to the time which he had diligently inquired of the wise men.”

Therefore it is likely that Jesus was 1 to 2 years old. NOT A NEW BORN BABY.


11 posted on 12/17/2012 11:29:31 AM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: DManA

And Hillary might want to know why Joseph and Mary had to go to all that trouble to travel to Bethlehem.

Luke 2

And it came to pass in those days, that there went out a decree from Caesar Augustus that all the world should be taxed. (And this taxing was first made when Cyrenius was governor of Syria.) And all went to be taxed, every one into his own city. And Joseph also went up from Galilee, out of the city of Nazareth, into Judaea, unto the city of David, which is called Bethlehem; (because he was of the house and lineage of David:) To be taxed with Mary his espoused wife, being great with child. And so it was, that, while they were there, the days were accomplished that she should be delivered.

IT WAS TAXES !! The kind that she and the democrats like to impose.


12 posted on 12/17/2012 11:32:08 AM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: DManA

And Hillary might want to know why Joseph and Mary had to go to all that trouble to travel to Bethlehem.

Luke 2

And it came to pass in those days, that there went out a decree from Caesar Augustus that all the world should be taxed. (And this taxing was first made when Cyrenius was governor of Syria.) And all went to be taxed, every one into his own city. And Joseph also went up from Galilee, out of the city of Nazareth, into Judaea, unto the city of David, which is called Bethlehem; (because he was of the house and lineage of David:) To be taxed with Mary his espoused wife, being great with child. And so it was, that, while they were there, the days were accomplished that she should be delivered.

IT WAS TAXES !! The kind that she and the democrats like to impose.


13 posted on 12/17/2012 11:32:24 AM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

Yup. Then they had to flee the country because their government sought to kill their baby (post delivery abortions as policy)


14 posted on 12/17/2012 11:34:43 AM PST by DManA
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To: SeekAndFind
according to the time which he had diligently inquired of the wise men.

People have been arguing about the exact date of Jesus' birth nearly from the day he was born.

15 posted on 12/17/2012 11:37:52 AM PST by DManA
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To: SeekAndFind

This sucks. The Catholic Church ever January says that the wise men came to Jesus in the stable to bare gifts. Also we know that Mary was about 14 as told to me by numerous Priests and that Joseph at first did not want to marry Mary until visited by an angel. Why are you saying otherwise???


16 posted on 12/17/2012 11:40:24 AM PST by napscoordinator (GOP Candidate 2020 - "Bloomberg 2020 - We vote for whatever crap the GOP puts in front of us.")
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To: SeekAndFind

Mary was a servant of God- so even tho she had to have known about abortion, when told she would have a child, she replied:

Let it be unto to me as you have said.

That is what people do, who love God... they obey, no matter what the world says or offers.


17 posted on 12/17/2012 11:40:53 AM PST by Truth2012
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To: SeekAndFind
What I’d really like to know is where in the Bible did it say she was a teenager?

I stand corrected, but you're right, where does it say she was a teenager?

18 posted on 12/17/2012 11:45:03 AM PST by laweeks
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To: stuartcr

The Didache, the earliest non - Biblical Christian writings, specifically mentions that Abortion is sinful. I am pretty sure they did not discover the practice only after Jesus’ birth.


19 posted on 12/17/2012 11:47:52 AM PST by lawdave
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To: SeekAndFind

Creepy question.

BTW anyone know how many angels can dance on the head of a pin?


20 posted on 12/17/2012 11:48:34 AM PST by Blackirish (Forward Comrades!!!!!!!!!)
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To: Blackirish

RE: BTW anyone know how many angels can dance on the head of a pin?

I didn’t know they were that tiny. How did the Shepherds see them anyway? Via Microscope? :)


21 posted on 12/17/2012 11:50:09 AM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind
before they came together she was found to be with child by the Holy Spirit.

Yeah, but . . . according to modern feminazis and the dummycrat party, she was not with child . . . she was with an obligate parasite, not to be called a child unless and until she, the mother, wants it. So, I'm still right.

22 posted on 12/17/2012 11:50:46 AM PST by laweeks
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To: lawdave

http://www.earlychristianwritings.com/text/didache-roberts.html

THE DIDACHE: The Lord’s Teaching Through the Twelve Apostles to the Nations

Chapter 2. The Second Commandment: Grave Sin Forbidden

“Thou shalt do no murder; thou shalt not commit adultery”; thou shalt not commit sodomy; thou shalt not commit fornication; thou shalt not steal; thou shalt not use magic; thou shalt not use philtres; thou shalt not procure abortion, nor commit infanticide; “thou shalt not covet thy neighbor’s goods”;


23 posted on 12/17/2012 11:53:19 AM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

Would Obama support Mohammed’s mother’s right to reproductive freedom?


24 posted on 12/17/2012 11:56:41 AM PST by Hardraade (http://junipersec.wordpress.com (Vendetta))
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To: laweeks

The Bible does not anywhere state Mary’s specific age at the Annunciation (though typically Jewish women at the time would have married at 13 or 14...usually to a much older man. That perhaps explains why St. Joseph is not mentioned later in the gospel, as it is assumed he had passed on)

Joseph thought to “divorce her quietly” (i.e. call of the engagement) to avoid exposing her to the law (which at the time was pretty brutal, not unlike what an unwed pregnant girl in Muslim cultures might experience today).

The Angel told him to “have no fear taking Mary as your spouse”. From that we would assume that they were actually wed at the time Jesus was born (and, in fact, it seems unlikely they’d both have to go to Bethlehem at the behest of Roman authorities were this not the case).

For a lot of this you have to make rational assumptions because the Bible is not specific.


25 posted on 12/17/2012 11:59:57 AM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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To: SeekAndFind

A liberal would gladly have wanted abortion to be available for Mary.

But not for losers like Mohammed and the Obamadork.


26 posted on 12/17/2012 12:02:30 PM PST by Da Coyote
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To: SeekAndFind

A moumentally stupid question. And I’m not even a Christian.


27 posted on 12/17/2012 12:06:43 PM PST by onedoug
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To: SeekAndFind
There is also an earlier thread on this article:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2968973/posts?page=27#27

28 posted on 12/17/2012 12:22:34 PM PST by fidelis (Zonie and USAF Cold Warrior)
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To: SeekAndFind

Abortion & abortifacient herbs were widely used in ancient times. I’m certain Mary DID know of abortion.

Shows how much these stupid atheist protestors know. In their arrogance, they think of themselves as so much more enlightened than our ancestors. Stupid fools.


29 posted on 12/17/2012 12:32:45 PM PST by surroundedbyblue (Live the message of Fatima - pray & do penance!)
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To: SeekAndFind

Don’t know about legality, but I think Hammurabis’ Code had a fine set for someone that causes a miscarriage through assault. Most of the ancient penalties were for abortions that were performed against the husband’s will.

I believe they used herbs, heavy metals, sharp objects, things like that.

Just search history of abortion


30 posted on 12/17/2012 12:37:30 PM PST by stuartcr ("Everything happens as God wants it to, otherwise, things would be different.")
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To: Blackirish

They shouldn’t be dancing anyway.


31 posted on 12/17/2012 12:40:08 PM PST by stuartcr ("Everything happens as God wants it to, otherwise, things would be different.")
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To: SeekAndFind

Ah si Marie avait connu l’avortment, on n’aurait pas tous ces emmerdement.s. Translated this means, “Oh, If Mary had known about abortion, we wouldn’t have to deal with all this nonsense.” [1]

Actually, my admittedly limited grasp of French tells me that “nonsense” is a very loose translation of “emmerdement”. To translate it more exactly would require the use of a vulgar term for bowel movements.


32 posted on 12/17/2012 1:06:07 PM PST by Boogieman
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To: SeekAndFind

“What I’d really like to know is where in the Bible did it say she was a teenager?”

I think that’s just an assumption, but it’s probably a fair one. I’d guess that 15 was about the average age of betrothal for a woman back then.


33 posted on 12/17/2012 1:15:14 PM PST by Boogieman
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To: DManA; SeekAndFind
Conceived as the light entering the temple (John 10:22 / John 8:12)

I start by reading John 1:14 under the illumination of the Ru'ach HaKodesh.

John 1:14 And the WORD became flesh,
and [fn]dwelt among us,
and we saw His glory,
glory as of the only begotten from the Father,
full of grace and truth.

[fn](1:14) Or, tabernacled; i.e. lived temporarily

σκηνόω Strong's G4637 - skēnoō
1) to fix one's tabernacle,
have one's tabernacle,
abide (or live) in a tabernacle (or tent),
tabernacle
2) to dwell
The word for Tabernacle, mishkan, is a derivative of the
same root and is used in the sense of dwelling-place in the Bible

The verse also provides illumination as to
Yah'shua being the Shekhinah glory.

Shekhinah means the dwelling or settling, and denotes the dwelling
or settling of the divine presence of God, especially in the Temple in Jerusalem.

Here is a very visual source:
Jesus' date of birth

Just based on scripture.

Again the first clue to the birth of Yah'shua is John 1:14 as cited above.

Important events in the life of Yah'shua occurred
on YHvH commanded Feast days as metaphors of the feast.

Conceived as the light entering the temple (John 10:22 / John 8:12)
Born on the Feast of Tabernacles.(John 1:14)
Circumcised on the Feast of Simchat Torah ( Joy of the WORD)
Bread and wine of the Pesach.
Death as the Lamb of G-d on Hag Matzoh.
Rising on the Feast of First Fruits.
Sending the Ru'ach HaKodesh on the Feast of Shavuot(Pentecost).

Who knows if the final trump will occur on the Feast of Trumpets

Seek YHvH in His WORD.

shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach

34 posted on 12/17/2012 2:54:49 PM PST by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your teaching is my delight.)
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To: stuartcr

You’re quite right, stuart. Een the ancients could find a midwife with a sharp stick, extracts of herbs and spices... I’m told that’s what the prohibitions against magic in the Bible were partly about this: drugs that could cause death, blindness, sterility, miscarriage: any substance used with malice.


35 posted on 12/17/2012 3:35:30 PM PST by Mrs. Don-o ("Let us commend ourselves, and one another, and our whole life, unto Christ Our God.)
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To: napscoordinator
This sucks. The Catholic Church ever January says that the wise men came to Jesus in the stable to bare gifts. Also we know that Mary was about 14 as told to me by numerous Priests and that Joseph at first did not want to marry Mary until visited by an angel. Why are you saying otherwise???

The Catholic Church lied to you...

36 posted on 12/18/2012 7:45:37 AM PST by Iscool (You mess with me, you mess with the WHOLE trailerpark...)
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To: SeekAndFind
RE: BTW anyone know how many angels can dance on the head of a pin?

I didn’t know they were that tiny. How did the Shepherds see them anyway? Via Microscope? :)

The better question is: How large is the pin???

37 posted on 12/18/2012 7:47:54 AM PST by Iscool (You mess with me, you mess with the WHOLE trailerpark...)
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To: Iscool

Oh well. I am staying Catholic anyway. It is the one true religion afterall.


38 posted on 12/18/2012 8:19:00 AM PST by napscoordinator (GOP Candidate 2020 - "Bloomberg 2020 - We vote for whatever crap the GOP puts in front of us.")
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