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The REAL cause of the New Town shooting
12/18/2012 | Truthczar2000

Posted on 12/18/2012 2:39:33 PM PST by truthczar2000

AS I have scrolled around the web absorbing information about the school shooting in New Town, CT., I have noticed a glaring absence of understanding of what motivated Adam Lanza to kill his mother and a class full of kindergarteners. There is an answer, but nobody seems to want to express it. I, for one, am unafraid to speak to this issue, as I see it. The real cause of this massacre has nothing to do with the proliferation of guns, nor does it have anything to do with a lack of mental health. The real cause of these kinds of shootings is the abandonment of young men and boys by their fathers. In her post at thebluereview.org/i-am-adam-lanzas-mother/ , Liza Long talks at length about her struggles with her 13 year old son. What she fails to mention is the presence of a dad in the house. Adam Lanza's mother was raising her son alone, basically; again, no father at home. I believe that what is often described as a "mental illness" is the effects of a boy growing up without a father. I know many people will be highly offended by that last statement, but let me explain. I am not discounting mental health issues; I work with disabled people and have seen real mental and developmental disability first-hand. It is true that America has problems dealing with mental disabilities in people. But "mental illness" does not explain the rash of young men committing mass murders. I believe fatherless-ness in the home provides a better explanation. In both of the cases described above, the mothers were doing their best to raise their sons alone. I both cases the sons were displaying extreme anger. I have seen this scenario played out in homes everywhere I have been. A mother tries to raise a son in a home with no father, and the son has anger issues. I believe that all sons have an innate longing for a strong father or father figure. A mother raising a son alone in most cases cannot provide that, no matter how easy divorce is and no matter how much feminists scream otherwise. AS a teenager, I had anger issues of my own ( i think most teenaged boys do). One might even say I had mental issues, based on today's diagnosis. But I had a strong loving father at home who taught me to respect others, especially women. I can honestly say that I am a stable man primarily because of my father. I wonder if Adam Lanza had the same advantage. His father was not living at home and no matter what anybody can say about how good a father can be while not living with the mother,a father separated from his sons cannot be as effective at being a dad as if he were living at home and working with his wife to raise his kids. I know this sounds simplistic, and many people who have been divorced or never married but had kids will get angry. But the Bible says many positive things about marriage and none about divorce or single parenthood. I believe God's plan is still relevant today. The shooting and all the discussion that has followed simply reinforces what I believe.


TOPICS: Evangelical Christian; Religion & Culture; Theology
KEYWORDS: fathers; myeyes; shooting; vanity

1 posted on 12/18/2012 2:39:41 PM PST by truthczar2000
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2 posted on 12/18/2012 2:45:07 PM PST by Jayster
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To: truthczar2000

Having his father at home would cure his mental illness?

There is a person close to the family that is saying that she had begun the process of committing him and that he was very angry about that.

That person believes that is what set him off.

My daughter adopted a kid like that and I can tell you that the fact that her husband was always there, and still is many years later, made zero difference to that kid.


3 posted on 12/18/2012 2:45:19 PM PST by old curmudgeon
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To: truthczar2000

Despite the “wall of text” formatting I agree with your opinion.


4 posted on 12/18/2012 2:45:33 PM PST by Legatus (Keep calm and carry on)
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To: Jayster

5 posted on 12/18/2012 2:46:28 PM PST by Yosemitest (It's Simple ! Fight, ... or Die !)
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To: truthczar2000
Personally, I had a quite tumultuous relationship with my mother when I was growing up as a teen. If not for my father...a strong, forthright devout Catholic...things would have gone badly.

I eventually grew to really appreciate and deeply love my mother. But there was a time when that was the opposite of how I felt.

I can appreciate what you have written here.

6 posted on 12/18/2012 2:50:53 PM PST by Bloody Sam Roberts (Political correctness does not legislate tolerance; it only organizes hatred.)
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To: truthczar2000

I was raised by my mother, no father in sight. And I was a liitle shit head at times. But I still have made a great living, married for many years, we have two successful boys, and are enjoying life as much as we can. Lack of a father, or wife, makes it harder as any single parent can tell you. But the kid had issues, sometimes evil is just evil no matter what you do, say, or try. Don’t blame the missing dad for this one, many factors came into play besides that.


7 posted on 12/18/2012 2:57:55 PM PST by enraged
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To: truthczar2000

Adam Lanza shot and killed the people in Newtown because Adam Lanza was evil. I saw the second half of the twentieth century personally and anyone familiar with the twentieth century, even a quarter of it, knows that evil exists. Lanza was simply evil.


8 posted on 12/18/2012 2:57:55 PM PST by muir_redwoods (Don't fire until you see the blue of their helmets)
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To: truthczar2000

1. It’s Newtown. Not New Town.
2. Paragraphs are your friend.

Please repost. Then I’ll read it. Then I’ll make other snarky comments.

Thanks.


9 posted on 12/18/2012 2:57:55 PM PST by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: truthczar2000

I agree. This kid had major daddy issues. In our increasingly misandristic society, this will become more and more common despite their assault weapon ban.


10 posted on 12/18/2012 2:58:08 PM PST by RC one (FU liberals.)
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To: truthczar2000
The only reason I do not go with the “1 parent” theme is that we had 10’s of millions of absent fathers and working moms during a very stressful and restrictive time between 1942-1945 and did not have these problems

This guy and his mom both had major mental health issues. I just hope our government does not hide the facts from the grieving families

11 posted on 12/18/2012 2:59:13 PM PST by SeminoleCounty (Seems that the ones who understand little about the economy are economists)
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To: Yosemitest

You raise a very good point. Many have blamed the availability of guns for these mass shootings.Guns have been a part of American culture forever, yet these rampages were almost nonexistent in the days when guns were everywhere and there were no gun laws. Poverty has been blamed as well, yet there were not mass shootings during the Great Depression. There have always been mentally ill people as well. The differences I see between now and then are the rejection of biblical values, moral decay, the breakdown of the family, failure to discipline children, and a devaluation of human life.


12 posted on 12/18/2012 3:02:56 PM PST by Freestate316 (Know what you believe and why you believe it.)
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To: Legatus; truthczar2000
His father was not living at home and no matter what anybody can say about how good a father can be while not living with the mother,a father separated from his sons cannot be as effective at being a dad as if he were living at home and working with his wife to raise his kids. (truthczar2000)

Despite the “wall of text” formatting I agree with your opinion. (Legatus)

You ought to take into account that perhaps Mrs. Lanza's preoccupation with the behaviors of her son drove out her husband and her son. Maybe. Write your own scenario on this.

I am a professional scientist whose marital problems, despite my wishes, precluded being able to keep the family together. Your theorizing is kind of loose her. Watch it.

13 posted on 12/18/2012 3:02:56 PM PST by imardmd1
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14 posted on 12/18/2012 3:03:31 PM PST by Rio (Tempis Fugit.)
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To: truthczar2000
a son in a home with no father, and the son has anger issues. I believe that all sons have an innate longing for a strong father or father figure."""""......

Perfectly explains B. Obama..and his illusionary "Dreams of My Father" and his narcissistic personality. He has play acted and bullied his way through life. The Great Pretender, who hates everyone but himself.

I believe you have correctly described the Lanza home.

15 posted on 12/18/2012 3:16:15 PM PST by annieokie
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To: SeminoleCounty

“we had 10’s of millions of absent fathers and working moms during a very stressful and restrictive time between 1942-1945”

The change in Culture aside;Studies have shown that children know the difference between a father who CAN;T be there versus a father who(discards any vows he made and) CHOOSES not to be there.


16 posted on 12/18/2012 3:19:36 PM PST by TalBlack (Evil doesn't have a day job.)
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To: Freestate316
On second thought, a Glock 18C Machine Pistol might be the better buy.
17 posted on 12/18/2012 3:20:49 PM PST by Yosemitest (It's Simple ! Fight, ... or Die !)
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To: old curmudgeon
My daughter & husband also adopted a boy (mulatto), who is the product of a rape. I often wonder what will happen later when he wants to know and try to find his father.

There is no way he or anyone can know that, I have discussed this with my daughter and told her one day he may try and get angry. Will see. For now he has a very loving home and is well liked at school. Likes to do all the man stuff of hunting and fishing, so far so good.

18 posted on 12/18/2012 3:22:21 PM PST by annieokie
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To: Rio

“Many have blamed the availability of guns for these mass shootings.Guns have been a part of American culture forever, yet these rampages were almost nonexistent in the days when guns were everywhere and there were no gun laws. Poverty has been blamed as well, yet there were not mass shootings during the Great Depression. There have always been mentally ill people as well. The differences I see between now and then are the rejection of biblical values, moral decay, the breakdown of the family, failure to discipline children, and a devaluation of human life.”.

BINGO! You nailed it!!!!!


19 posted on 12/18/2012 3:22:44 PM PST by DaveA37
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To: truthczar2000
I guess I disagree. Lanza was 20 years old when he killed himself. His parents had been married for 28 years before divorcing 3 years ago when Lanza was 17. The divorce was amicable and the father was still a factor when the deed took place. It sounds like the parents were still working jointly to get their adult son as much help (obviously not enough) as was possible. Certainly, I don't know what the home environment was specifically, however, I don't think anyone would say his father abandoned him.
20 posted on 12/18/2012 3:26:46 PM PST by immadashell
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To: truthczar2000

Fatherless homes, bitter divorces resulting in the kind of arrangement we see in the case of the awful Adam Lanza case, are more often seen in a far more generic kind of criminality
than this unparalleled and sickening tragedy. What you are doing is cherry-picking your favorite Agenda Item, “no father in the home”, and highlighting that as the pre-eminent “cause’ for the New Town massacre. In fact, if anyone wants to play Captain Obvious in his search for “causes” , all one has to do is pick any of these recent events, this one, Aurora, Jared Laughner, Columbine, the Va Tech shootings, etc. etc., look at all the background details and the particulars of the perpetrator, his psychological and social context, and ascribe “blame” and “cause” to anything and everything we find in their “backgrounds”. THEY ARE ALL DIFFERENT, and what happens in these cases is both sides rush to push, with a kind of numbskull enthusiasm, their particular agenda, whether it’s
“no father in the home”, “No God in the school”,
“no access to meaningful Mental Health oversight”, “No security in the school”, “not enough serious oversight into who owns guns, and how carefully they are stored in a home which has a person like Adam Lanza living there”,metc. etc. In the case of Adam Lanza, we already have enough facts to be able to surmise that it was ALL OF THE ABOVE, and “then some”, since tens of thousands of people all suffer from being stuck in the same societal milieu, and yet precious few of them ever erupt into this kind of cataclysmic violence. How about the family situations of Klebold and Harris of Columbine fame? How about all the rest of them which seem to be coming so thick and fast lately I’ll bet most of us can’t recall half the names?


21 posted on 12/18/2012 3:29:57 PM PST by supremedoctrine
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To: muir_redwoods
Thank you!

I get so tired of hearing, "Why? Why? Why? Whyyyyy?" asked over and over by people that should know better!

Are you a 5 year old? Are you Nancy Kerrigan siting on the ice clutching her bruised knee? No? Then stop asking why!

The evil little monster murdered people because he was a disturbed evil little monster and no one stopped him.

There is no other secret reason. It wasn't the stars. It had nothing to do with what street he lived on, what he ate for breakfast, what video game he played, what TV channel he watched, what color his mother's hair was...

Its so simple. Maybe its too simple for people to grasp.

The feral rabid dog got into the rabbit hut and killed the rabbits because no one stopped it.

The evil mentally deranged young man got into the school and killed the children because no one stopped it.

Simple.

22 posted on 12/18/2012 3:32:15 PM PST by Casie (Chuck Norris 2016)
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To: immadashell

IIRC from what I heard on the news, the parents had been separated since about 2001 and the last few years the boy wanted nothing to do with dad. The divorce wasn’t just finalized until 2009.


23 posted on 12/18/2012 3:49:01 PM PST by PLMerite (Shut the Beyotch Down! Burn, baby, burn!)
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To: annieokie

I would never ever ever tell him. I would love him, protect him and lie with stone faced conviction if he ever asked.


24 posted on 12/18/2012 3:50:16 PM PST by Casie (Chuck Norris 2016)
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To: Casie
He knows he is adopted, they told him when he was about 5 or 6, now 16. Of course you can understand why, as he did not look like anyone else, lol. But, he know he was chosen, (ewww wheee he was an ugly little thing), but nevertheless they took him.

How do you lie about a father raping the mother? If he tries to find out, there is no record, just the moms (my daughter knows her name, just in case he wants to know that. They don't intend on keeping that from him if he asks.

I guess just leave well enough alone until faced with whatever he wants to know, deal with it then.

25 posted on 12/18/2012 4:07:06 PM PST by annieokie
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To: truthczar2000

Help! Psaragraphs are our friends.


26 posted on 12/18/2012 4:43:42 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: truthczar2000

And having said ALL THAT, I think JOB ONE, and something EVERYONE can agree on, regardless of favorite Agenda item,
is that SCHOOL SECURITY should be given immediate and serious implementation.This would be the EASIEST and most practical solution, and the most effective line of defense against this kind of thing happening again. And it is something cops would VOLUNTEER for; in uniform or not, and ARMED of course, but the children would understand it and the citizens would welcome it and be willing to pay for it. UNFORTUNATELY, I have a hunch Obama wants to get his hands on this , and federalize it, so the funding would probably land smack on top of all this other taxes, rather than substituting for something he’d be willing to “cut”.
We can’t stop mental illness, we can’t stop dysfunctional or fatherless families, or even the homicidal use of stolen legal guns. We can protect the children by doing nothing more than, well.......protecting the children.


27 posted on 12/18/2012 4:59:10 PM PST by supremedoctrine
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To: annieokie

I agree with you! The question is then, when does Obama go Lanza on the US population?


28 posted on 12/18/2012 7:13:22 PM PST by free from tyranny
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To: annieokie

I agree with you! The question is then, when does Obama go Lanza on the US population?


29 posted on 12/18/2012 7:15:34 PM PST by free from tyranny
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To: free from tyranny
He's doing it slowing, he loves torture.

Fiscal Cliff, Unlimited Budget, mass regulations, destroying the costitution, unemployment....he is slowly killing us all.

WIKI: "Death by a thousand cuts": Creeping normalcy, the way a major negative change, which happens slowly in many unnoticed increments, is not perceived as objectionable

Except we are noticing and it is not NORMAL, but we take it via Congress approval.

"killing me softly"........the obama way.

30 posted on 12/18/2012 7:21:29 PM PST by annieokie
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To: truthczar2000

In the Colorado Shooting, the Goof-Ball had a mother and Father at home, In Arzonia the Giffords Shooting, the Goof-ball had a mother and Father at home. They were goof-balls and killed people.


31 posted on 12/18/2012 7:24:12 PM PST by Chief901 (Obama is full of sh!t and smells like crap)
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To: Chief901

Fair enough. I am not saying that all mass killings are the result of fatherless young men.

All the same, I often read about the shooters in these mass killings feeling “rejected”. In the same way a man can kill people out of feelings of rejection by a girlfriend, a peer group or whatever. It stands to reason that lack of a father can lead to at least some of this violent behavior.

I can’t say that there is a direct correlation between the rise of single-parent households and the rise in violent crime committed by young men. But both things are true; violent crime committed by young men is up along with the rise in single-parent households headed by women. I believe these two facts should be examined to see if there is a correlation.


32 posted on 12/18/2012 7:42:39 PM PST by truthczar2000 (All English translations are just that.)
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When a young mans testerone kicks it, unless the mother is strong enough for her son to fear her, the father is needed to keep the kid in line. It is a rare female with children out of wedlock to raise a boy...as a baby sure, as a young kid coming into manhood, dad is needed unless he is a no good drug/abuser or alcoholic....
33 posted on 12/18/2012 7:48:37 PM PST by goat granny
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To: supremedoctrine

I have no “agenda”. I am simply pointing out an obvious fact and suggesting that this fact MIGHT have something to do with this horrific crime.

That being said, there are two facts that jump out at me:

Violent crime is way up among young men ( and I include teenaged boys when I say that).

There has been a great increase in the number of single parent households headed by women.

While I can’t say that this is the only reason for what happened, I believe the lack of a father at home played a part in this.

As a former youth pastor, I can tell you that I interacted with many young men who were being raised solely by their moms. Almost to a man, they had anger issues their peers raised in two-parent homes did not have.

It is true that many things were going on in Adam Lanza’s head that no one can be sure of. I am not discounting any of it.

I am simply saying that the fact he did not have a father at home probably played a bigger role in his actions than anyone cares to admit.


34 posted on 12/18/2012 7:58:13 PM PST by truthczar2000 (All English translations are just that.)
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To: truthczar2000

And to all those who are complaining about how I formatted this post, I apologize. I have never posted anything on here before, so this is a learning process.

I’l try to make my psaragraphs better next time. And I’ll try to hit “enter” twice!


35 posted on 12/18/2012 8:13:57 PM PST by truthczar2000 (All English translations are just that.)
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To: annieokie
Of course he needs to know he was adopted. Medical reasons alone warrant that, even if the child resembles the parents. However if he asked me I would never ever tell him he was conceived from a rape.

All he needs to know is that his mother was unable to keep him, but she still wanted him to have a good life, to be happy and loved. What would it hurt to just forget that you ever heard how he was conceived? And if down the road as an adult he discovers some ugly truths about his biological parents, he will have made the decision to go looking for them.

I do understand family secrets. My grandmother went to her grave never sharing hers. My mother accidentally discovered it years after her death, when we were getting the house ready for sale. It just made us love and respect Grandmother even more. As a very young woman, she protected her family with a beautiful lie that no one ever had a reason to question. It shows just how much she loved her family!

Bless your daughter for saving this child. I'm sure she won't do anything to hurt him unnecessarily.

36 posted on 12/18/2012 10:17:32 PM PST by Casie (Chuck Norris 2016)
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To: annieokie

I tend to agree with your assessment.

It makes observation of Obama’s response to the event even more painful. If anybody can identify with Lanza’s inner thinking, it likely may have been Obama, but there doesn’t seem to be such a conscience.

The counterargument is that the Lanza family situation wasn’t brewing for 20+ years, but only for several, albeit in his early adult years, when he might have retreated into violent PC gaming imaginary worlds. Over 3 years he may have absorbed more from the imaginary world than reality.


37 posted on 12/18/2012 10:51:26 PM PST by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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To: truthczar2000

I thought he was brainwashed by an outside source to create a diversion against events like Obamas electoral vote certification and everything else. Benghazi? Fiscal cliff?

The last couple of shooting events happened all just before some news event or revelation or even a court hearing was to take place, as if these shooters were nothing but drugged pawns.


38 posted on 12/18/2012 10:57:58 PM PST by Eye of Unk (A Civil Cold War in America is here, its already been declared.)
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To: Responsibility2nd

Thank you. I am rather tired of seeing “New Town”, or “Newton”. Regards to all, and I appreciate your posting.


39 posted on 12/18/2012 11:25:51 PM PST by jttpwalsh
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To: Casie
Cassie: Thank you for the advice, it is well taken.

I don't think they will tell him about the rape, as you say it is not necessary.

He will know his mother did love him enough to stay off her drugs during her pregnacy, and give him to a loving home. He knows that, and seems to be very stable and very well liked in school. Time will tell and pray for the best. (he won't know about the drugs)

I will tell you another beautiful thing about that family. It did not look like they were able to have children of their own, so I suggested adoption. They did. Then one year later she conceived and had my only granddaughter. wow

How the Lord does work. It's like HE said: I will give you your daughter, first you must take this boy child. Awesome present & she was born on Dec.31st, 14 yrs ago. Merry Christmas to you.

40 posted on 12/19/2012 5:34:54 AM PST by annieokie
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To: Cvengr
The counterargument is that the Lanza family situation wasn’t brewing for 20+ years, but only for several, albeit in his early adult years, when he might have retreated into violent PC gaming imaginary worlds. Over 3 years he may have absorbed more from the imaginary world than reality.""""....

I believe you are right on this being over the 3 year period. There sure is a lot to be discovered in this matter and hope there will comes signs for others to learn by.

Such a shame, and so many kids like Adam out here still.

41 posted on 12/19/2012 5:42:20 AM PST by annieokie
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To: old curmudgeon

I don’t think that not having a Dad at home is the primary reason in all cases when these boys rampage.

I kind of think in this case, it did play a role. This kid obviously had mental problems before his parents divorced. But the divorce did cause a separation, Mom and Dad in different cities. This kid may have felt abandonment by his Dad, and therefore latched on to his mother even stronger. I have heard reports that he was upset with her for the time she was spending as an aide at the school with little kids. Sounds crazy, but in his mind, if he knew she was trying to have him committed to an institution, he was being thrown away by his mother too. This person was antsocial, but he was far from stupid.

He was obviously a very disturbed person most of his life. Add his age and hormones, the video games, the lack of friends to talk to, and I can see a pressure cooker ready to explode.

This in no way justifies or removes his guilt for this tragic nightmare. He committed a terrible crime.

Of course, I am just musing, but something transpired to set him off. He reportedly had never committed a crime before this.


42 posted on 12/19/2012 6:00:36 AM PST by dforest
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To: dforest

I am reminded by this theory of a fellow with whom I once had a long term business relationship.

He was having a lot of problems with his oldest son. Real problems.

So he sent him to a shrink.

After so long a time, the shrink called the father in for a conference.

The shrink told him that he was traveling too much in relation to his business, which he owned and which operated nation wide, and that he needed to spend more time at home with the family.

So I asked him what was he going to do?

His reply was that he fired the shrink.

He said: “For all I know, I am the problem and staying home would make it worse.”

So no more than we know, we should have nothing to say on that subject.

Other than the father might have seen the wisdom of locking all of the guns up in a manner that was really secure, like finger print recognition gun safe, etc.

I have been personally involved in two matters similar but luckily not ending in murder...at least not yet.

And I can tell you that mothers find it very hard to admit that their child is really that bad.


43 posted on 12/19/2012 6:29:17 AM PST by old curmudgeon
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To: PLMerite
IIRC from what I heard on the news, the parents had been separated since about 2001 and the last few years the boy wanted nothing to do with dad. The divorce wasn’t just finalized until 2009.

Yes, but that was the boy's choice, not the father's. I don't think that the boy should have considered he had been abandoned by the father when he (Adam) was the uncooperative party. If he thought otherwise, he had a mental problem. My point is, we will never know the real cause and shouldn't start pointing fingers.

44 posted on 12/19/2012 9:00:43 AM PST by immadashell
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To: old curmudgeon

I want you to know that I am not blaming the Dad here. I don’t know why these parents were divorced, and obviously, the older son seems to not be affected. This kid was born a mess. I could understand this easier if he had a history of violence. But he didn’t. It came out of nowhere in the worst of ways.

I think the main thing I am saying is that we tend to, after something like this happens, paint people with a broad brush. Most likely there are many reasons things like this happen.

No other gunowner in America is responsible for this incident. Not all parents who ever divorced are responsible.
Not the whole lot of shrinks and psychologists are responsible. The only person that is, is Adam Lanza.

Doesn’t change the why? It is normal to wonder why.


45 posted on 12/19/2012 10:00:31 AM PST by dforest
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