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To: Salvation
Thanks ~ some good thoughts there ~ i'd spent the evening studying up on the Antipopes in the 1400/1500 period ~ quite timely thoughts that actually helped me figure out what the motives were for these fellows and the other popes regularly forgiving each other (except for Cardinal Borja/Borgia).

it's obvious they played hard ball politics ~ with one of them having to serve as a top organizer for the war to drive the Turks out of Hungary, but they must have been serious Christians to have put comity among Christians first.

4 posted on 12/18/2012 6:40:08 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah
well, leaving aside the blame for the Reformation and its philosophical underpinings, the time of the Reformation was unfortunate from the pure stand-point of Islam v/s Christianity

a united Christendom would have been able to capitalize and push the turks out by the 1600s

Also, if you do get a chance to read about Crimea, do so -- all us Westerners whether Catholic or not have a lot to be ashamed of with this war -- we fought against Christian Russia on behalf of the Moslem Turks..

5 posted on 12/19/2012 12:04:37 AM PST by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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