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Compulsory Abortion for Down’s Syndrome Foetuses, Says UKIP Kent Candidate
Gravesend Reporter ^ | 12/18/12 | Anna Dubuis

Posted on 12/19/2012 11:55:05 AM PST by marshmallow

Mothers with foetuses detected to have Down’s syndrome and other disabilities should be forced into a compulsory abortion, according to a UKIP candidate’s ‘personal manifesto’.

Geoffrey Clark, who is running in a by-election on Thursday (20) for the Gravesham Rural seat on Kent County Council and the Meopham North seat on Gravesham Borough Council, was labelled ‘abhorrent’ by disability charities and parents.

His ideas, published on his website, state: “Consider compulsory abortion when the foetus is detected as having Downs, Spina Bifida or similar syndrome which, if it is born, will render the child a burden on the state as well as on the family.”

He also wants free euthanasia for the over-80s.

Andrew Diedo, from Dartford, whose 27-year-old son Chris has Down’s syndrome, said Mr Clark’s view was “perhaps born out of fear and ignorance”.

He said: “Our son with Down’s syndrome enjoys a full, happy and productive life. Anyone who knows him will agree with me that the world is a far richer place because of him.”

Disability charity Mencap’s chief executive, Mark Goldring, said he was “disgusted and shocked” at the manifesto.

“It is abhorrent that Geoffrey Clarke sees disabled people solely as a burden. We question if he is fit for public office,” he said.

(Excerpt) Read more at gravesendreporter.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Current Events; Moral Issues; Religion & Politics
KEYWORDS:
UKIP = United Kingdom Independence Party
1 posted on 12/19/2012 11:55:10 AM PST by marshmallow
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To: marshmallow

It’s good to be god.


2 posted on 12/19/2012 11:56:43 AM PST by E. Pluribus Unum ("The more numerous the laws, the more corrupt the state." - Cornelius Tacitus, Roman Senator)
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To: marshmallow

This isn’t going to help fight off the accusations that the UKIP and euro-skepticism is just the BNP in disguise.


3 posted on 12/19/2012 11:58:28 AM PST by Shadow44
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To: marshmallow

Can’t you just see Obama reading this and thinking, “Hmmm . . .”


4 posted on 12/19/2012 11:58:55 AM PST by Jeff Chandler (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tpAOwJvTOio)
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To: marshmallow

What was once illegal becomes compulsory.


5 posted on 12/19/2012 11:59:54 AM PST by MeganC (Our forefathers would be shooting by now.)
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To: marshmallow

THIS is why we own guns.


6 posted on 12/19/2012 12:00:23 PM PST by SJSAMPLE
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To: marshmallow

Damned NAZIS.


7 posted on 12/19/2012 12:00:56 PM PST by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: Jim Robinson

Nazi is right. They were the ones who pioneered that type of genocide.


8 posted on 12/19/2012 12:04:27 PM PST by Trapped Behind Enemy Lines
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To: Jim Robinson

Totally agree - The closest political relative to this guy is without a doubt the NAZI (national socialist) party.


9 posted on 12/19/2012 12:05:12 PM PST by Triple (Socialism denies people the right to the fruits of their labor, and is as abhorrent as slavery)
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To: Jeff Chandler

I think this is will definitely be on the table at some point. Dems will start with manditory “do not resesitate” orders based on age and illness, followed soon by limiting funding for preemies.


10 posted on 12/19/2012 12:05:51 PM PST by gov_bean_ counter (Hope and Change has become Attack and Obfuscate.)
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To: Jim Robinson

Nazi is right. They were the ones who pioneered that type of genocide.


11 posted on 12/19/2012 12:06:09 PM PST by Trapped Behind Enemy Lines
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To: marshmallow

msg to Brits:

“So, we saved your @$$ from Hitler’s ‘master race’ for nothin’, eh?”


12 posted on 12/19/2012 12:06:22 PM PST by G Larry (Which of Obama's policies do you think I'd support if he were white?)
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To: marshmallow

All this killing of those deemed to be “worthless” in Europe and we wonder why we have shootings?

My perfectly normal, highly intelligent 12 year old grandson was a false “positive” Down’s test.

The world is insane.


13 posted on 12/19/2012 12:07:15 PM PST by Wiser now (Socialism does not eliminate poverty, it guarantees it.)
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To: marshmallow

Makes me want to want Logan’s Run again.


14 posted on 12/19/2012 12:07:50 PM PST by fruser1
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To: marshmallow

Makes me want to watch Logan’s Run again.


15 posted on 12/19/2012 12:08:10 PM PST by fruser1
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To: gov_bean_ counter

Those provisions are likey already hidden in Obamacare.


16 posted on 12/19/2012 12:09:08 PM PST by Wiser now (Socialism does not eliminate poverty, it guarantees it.)
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To: marshmallow
The criteria is whether the child will be a burden on the state as well as on the family

You'd think the pro choice crowd would let the family decide on whether they wanted to take on that burden.

As for being a burden on the state, there are over 50 million people who have proven themselves a lifelong burden on the state. Start there.

17 posted on 12/19/2012 12:12:34 PM PST by Teotwawki (For a person to get a thing without paying for it, another must pay for it without getting it.)
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To: marshmallow
This is government-run health care.
18 posted on 12/19/2012 12:13:00 PM PST by grobdriver
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To: marshmallow
This is what passes for "conservatism" in Europe.

Oswald Moseley would be proud.

19 posted on 12/19/2012 12:13:04 PM PST by wideawake
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To: marshmallow

This a-hole will burn in hell! They are our most innocent, and I would trade them for all the convicts in prison any day of the week.


20 posted on 12/19/2012 12:16:49 PM PST by ABQHispConservative (Only fake Christians vote or are Democrats.)
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To: fruser1

Sure, it was great when I was 16.
But I would have been to Carousel 17 years ago, now.

I don’t even want to think about it.


21 posted on 12/19/2012 12:17:28 PM PST by SJSAMPLE
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To: Jim Robinson
Damned NAZIS.

Precisely.

The UKIP is a descendant of the BNP, which is in turn a reboot of the BUF - the "British Union of Fascists", who supported an alliance with the Reich in WWII.

22 posted on 12/19/2012 12:17:47 PM PST by wideawake
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To: marshmallow

“free euthanasia”
How considerate of them to not ask anyone to pay for it!


23 posted on 12/19/2012 12:18:50 PM PST by I want the USA back
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To: Wiser now

Would not surprise me.


24 posted on 12/19/2012 12:19:17 PM PST by gov_bean_ counter (Hope and Change has become Attack and Obfuscate.)
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To: marshmallow

That’s hideous. My mom and my late aunt both suffered spina bifida. My mom’s was so minor it was revealed following X-rays after a car wreck.

This was after she went back to college as an adult and earned a BA in English, is a well-known local artist, wife of 50-plus years, mom and grandma. Why should somewhat like her be aborted?

As for my aunt, she was a nurse, trained during WWII but not deployed; and had a long successful career in nursing. She also helped my uncle on the farm and was a mom and grandmother. Her spina bifida caused some her some problems but she, too, was much loved by her family and contributed a great deal to the community.

The danger of such tests, I’m afraid, would be forced abortion of normal babies due to false positives, and aborting babies who will go on to lead long full lives (all of them, in other words.)

I am glad I am not a Brit of child-bearing years. They’d have to kill me too before I would abort one of my babies.


25 posted on 12/19/2012 12:22:24 PM PST by Cloverfarm (This too shall pass ...)
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To: marshmallow

Downs Syndrome babies can become active and productive adults. Jus because they are not top in the IQ ranks does not render them useless. Many perform useful low-level jobs which others will not do, and they are usually happy to do so as they feel they are contributing to their own livlihood.

I hate it when some people feel thay can decide who is worthy of a life and who is not. Playing God is a zero-sum game.


26 posted on 12/19/2012 12:24:45 PM PST by Gumdrop
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To: Jim Robinson

Yep. Happening all over EU already, and all converging with the dem agenda.

Belgium has new stuff, so does France, Netherlands has been doing this forever sending their abortion/euthanasia boats around. And Scandinavia is simply unspeakable.


27 posted on 12/19/2012 12:26:32 PM PST by Hardraade (http://junipersec.wordpress.com (Vendetta))
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To: marshmallow

If they get this law, in a few years you’ll have special police hunting down families that escaped abortion for their babies. This could be the theme for a movie, except the feminazis would never let it be produced.


28 posted on 12/19/2012 12:28:34 PM PST by I want the USA back
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To: marshmallow

If somebody else pays for your beans, they get to decide what kinda beans you get.

Same for your babies.

The moral value of beans becomes rather moot. It is now a cost issue, with the decision held by a party with no moral or personal interest in your desire for beans.

This is Progressive Progress.


29 posted on 12/19/2012 12:41:13 PM PST by mbarker12474 (If thine enemy offend thee, give his childe a drum.)
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To: marshmallow

And they beat their breasts and ask themselves why criminals with guns don’t respect life.


30 posted on 12/19/2012 12:52:28 PM PST by NRA1995 (CNN should be PNN (Propaganda, Never News))
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To: marshmallow

Do we know this to be true? I was at a meeting on 9/11 with Pam Geller and two members of UKIP and they spoke very eloquently about Muslim terrorism. They implored us to vote for Romney. What’s going on here?


31 posted on 12/19/2012 1:22:05 PM PST by miss marmelstein ( Richard Lives Yet!)
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To: marshmallow

Isn’t this a so-called “right wing party?”


32 posted on 12/19/2012 1:27:54 PM PST by Zionist Conspirator (Ki-hagoy vehamamlakhah 'asher lo'-ya`avdukh yove'du; vehagoyim charov yecheravu!)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

HE’S BEEN THROWN OUT OF UKIP. Please, people, google is our friend (sometimes).


33 posted on 12/19/2012 1:28:55 PM PST by miss marmelstein ( Richard Lives Yet!)
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To: marshmallow

This is materialism carried to its logical conclusion.

If the left doesn’t watch it, this is the path they will follow in America.


34 posted on 12/19/2012 1:31:14 PM PST by OpusatFR
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To: miss marmelstein

It’s his “personal manifesto” according to the article. IOW, not official party policy.


35 posted on 12/19/2012 1:40:27 PM PST by marshmallow (.)
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To: Jim Robinson

Jim: this guy is NOT a member of UKIP.


36 posted on 12/19/2012 1:41:20 PM PST by miss marmelstein ( Richard Lives Yet!)
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To: marshmallow

My daughter has spina bifida and is in the gifted program! She isn’t paralyzed, but limited in how much physical activity she can do because she is at a higher risk of back breaks. However this jackass might be the life she saves when she graduates med school.

UGH, this MUST be how the Germans felt pre-Hitler’s demise. Nothing being done about insanity.


37 posted on 12/19/2012 1:43:20 PM PST by autumnraine (America how long will you be so deaf and dumb to the tumbril wheels carrying you to the guillotine?)
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To: marshmallow

He is running as an Independent not as UKIP. He has been thrown out of UKIP. Please, you are doing a great disservice to that party. Do you really think Pam Geller would support such a view??


38 posted on 12/19/2012 1:44:07 PM PST by miss marmelstein ( Richard Lives Yet!)
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To: miss marmelstein

I didn’t post it. I merely responded to it, just like you.


39 posted on 12/19/2012 1:56:31 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum ("The more numerous the laws, the more corrupt the state." - Cornelius Tacitus, Roman Senator)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

I’m sorry. Sometimes I confuse the 2nd response with the first. Apologies.


40 posted on 12/19/2012 1:59:44 PM PST by miss marmelstein ( Richard Lives Yet!)
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To: miss marmelstein
Thanks for the update. FWIW, he has also just apologized. No idea who Pam Geller might be.

This has been all over the British press in the past day or two (e.g. Daily Telegraph). The article is recent (December 18) and as of Tuesday afternoon, he was still the UKIP candidate so forgive me for not being on top of the most recent developments.

Clark is/was certainly doing UKIP a disservice. I hold no ill feelings towards it.

41 posted on 12/19/2012 2:06:18 PM PST by marshmallow (.)
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To: marshmallow

Pam Geller is the foremost opponent of Muslim aggression in this country. Basically, she is the Geert Wilders of America. She lives in New York City and runs the blog “Atlas Shrugs.” She is well known here on FR. As I said, I’ve heard UKIP here in the US and they have never espoused such awful ideology. This Geoffrey Clark creep needs to lose himself...


42 posted on 12/19/2012 2:18:25 PM PST by miss marmelstein ( Richard Lives Yet!)
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To: miss marmelstein
Apparently Mr. Clark is a "chartered accountant", according to the BBC and....... "said on his website he did not endorse the abortion idea but suggested it to cut the national debt......."

I know it's a horrific subject but that last bit made me laugh out loud...

43 posted on 12/19/2012 2:29:21 PM PST by marshmallow (.)
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