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Orthodox Christianity ^ | Richard Shaward

Posted on 12/20/2012 12:52:36 PM PST by don-o

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I found this blog while reading on the Orthodox teaching on evil and the first disobedience.

I found the site to be well presented and easy to navigate to a number of topics. I am not posting to start another of the the usual and lamentable wars; rather I post for the lurker who may be seeking.

I would be happy to engage discussion with rational and cordial conversation. All other shall be ignored.

1 posted on 12/20/2012 12:52:37 PM PST by don-o
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To: don-o

In reading that, I see that “Orthodox” (as he spells it) should actually be “orthodox” - thereby not a “proper name” of a group, but more in line with what he’s saying.

And then, “Catholic”, as he spells it, should also be “catholic” - and not used as a “proper name” - being that this would be the actual name of a church group - while “catholic” is not.

I would hope that he would make those corrections ... :-)


2 posted on 12/20/2012 1:00:31 PM PST by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: Star Traveler

For me, the value of the site is the essays that he has compiled, not his introduction.


3 posted on 12/20/2012 1:06:23 PM PST by don-o (He will not share His glory and He will NOT be mocked! Blessed be the name of the Lord forever.)
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To: don-o
My first brush with Orthodoxy was as a child when the Syrian priests would officiate at a burning of the city's Christmas trees.

Later on I discovered Russian Orthodox Christmas cards ~ studied them, and other things (huge tracts of sermons) and discovered I already belonged to a church which had had at its beginning an ambition to recreate the First Century Church in America.

There is an Orthodox attitude ~ a good one ~ so it's not just an invisible sort of difference. It exists among Roman Catholic aide workers, and the priests who participate in Catholic charities.

Some day I'll figure that one out ~

Think I'll take a look at that blog and see what he has for us ~

4 posted on 12/20/2012 1:09:33 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: Star Traveler

If they are unintentional misspellings they indicate an amount of carelessness that is surprising for someone with a Master’s of Divinity. If they are misspellings then they indicate some very muddled thinking.

He is a Baptist who has discovered that all Christians are catholic and should be orthodox in both belief and practice. Maybe he is avoiding the shock factor that a Baptist experiences when he is told he is catholic.


5 posted on 12/20/2012 1:16:00 PM PST by FreedomNotSafety
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To: don-o
"I would be happy to engage discussion with rational and cordial conversation. All other shall be ignored."

Then I suspect I shall be ignored (and perhaps so should you), since your selection of this article is a transparent claim that folks seeking truth end up with the RCC. You did not begin with a "cordial conversation", but an obvious propaganda piece like those the Roman cult peddles incessantly.

Whether this fellow is actually a believer at all is yet to be determined...by Jesus Himself. That he migrated to Rome gives the rest of us definite pause.

6 posted on 12/20/2012 1:50:58 PM PST by Dutchboy88
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To: Dutchboy88

If I may intrude, I believe the poster may intend to ignore the Calvinist bullies, who regularly bait Catholic FReepers into title posts for discussion, overwhelm them with overlong material, and then use that as an excuse to practice their snark lines, to insult Mary, the Holy Father, and generally dash any hope for a discussion.

Catholics hear the same tired and ignorant complaints over and over. If you’re like me and tend to go ballistic, avoid those threads. These threads are generally an intellectual exercise in futility, between brick walls with no resolution to their differences. %;?D)


7 posted on 12/20/2012 2:10:05 PM PST by RitaOK ( VIVA CHRISTO REY / Public education is the farm team for more Marxists coming.)
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To: Dutchboy88
>>That he migrated to Rome gives the rest of us definite pause.<<

It most certainly did.

8 posted on 12/20/2012 2:10:35 PM PST by CynicalBear
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To: Dutchboy88

See. Here they come. LOL!


9 posted on 12/20/2012 2:14:12 PM PST by RitaOK ( VIVA CHRISTO REY / Public education is the farm team for more Marxists coming.)
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To: don-o

I have lately been visiting the Orthodox churches around me. Beautiful.


10 posted on 12/20/2012 2:18:05 PM PST by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: don-o
A blog which labels Protestants as very ignorant is unlikely attract much in the way of cordial conversation from those folks, is it?
11 posted on 12/20/2012 2:25:13 PM PST by Mr. Lucky
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To: yldstrk
I have lately been visiting the Orthodox churches around me. Beautiful.

The first Divine Liturgy I experienced was a little group of Greeks, in a borrowed "modern" Catholic church - pews and all. It was long; a great deal in Greek. But, it was glorious. Unhurried - it felt timeless. I was changed on that day.

12 posted on 12/20/2012 2:37:26 PM PST by don-o (He will not share His glory and He will NOT be mocked! Blessed be the name of the Lord forever.)
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To: Mr. Lucky

Ignorant = Do not know. That seems a statement that is either factual or not. It’s not an insult.

All human beings are ignorant. The specifics vary.


13 posted on 12/20/2012 2:41:09 PM PST by don-o (He will not share His glory and He will NOT be mocked! Blessed be the name of the Lord forever.)
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To: don-o
It's not an insult.

You say that only because you're very ignorant.

(Sorry, but that still doesn't seem like a great way to conduct a civil discourse.)

14 posted on 12/20/2012 2:53:21 PM PST by Mr. Lucky
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To: Mr. Lucky

I was once completely ignorant about Orthodox Christianity. Today, I am less ignorant. Have I insulted myself?


15 posted on 12/20/2012 3:00:37 PM PST by don-o (He will not share His glory and He will NOT be mocked! Blessed be the name of the Lord forever.)
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To: don-o
What you call yourself is your business. When this blogger claims that many Protestant Christians are very ignorant, he insults them.
16 posted on 12/20/2012 3:09:00 PM PST by Mr. Lucky
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To: don-o
Raised Protestant, attended an evangelical church for years. We thought of ourselves simply as a "Biblical" church, a first century church (as another poster already said).

They were very, very good at edification--as most Protestant churches are--but oddly enough, it was only after taking seven or so classes on theology, hermeneutics, and Koine Greek that I became curious enough, through our apologetics group, to enquire into Orthodox Christianity.

My intent was to kick the tires, then debunk it gently. Not that I thought they were wrong, but just perhaps, so I'd thought, emphasized certain things over other things.

Boy, was I wrong. ;)

Turned out that it was really the same thing, but with a fuller, more complete, history. I'm better off for it!

Admittedly, I still think "Protestant," and always will. That won't change. But after several years in an Orthodox Christian church (founded by Russian Americans), I not only have a more complete understanding of the Patristic Fathers, but of new (read: "old") ways of thinking, and even deeper wisdom into some things.

It's been beneficial to me. I honestly didn't realize that I'd been missing anything.

Of course, the story was more complex. I'm leaving a lot of information out--like how I fought certain concepts during catechism. For many months, I had the priest pulling his hair out. He was quite patient; he called on the advice of other priests, but the odd thing was this: He was what they call "cradle orthodox."

Orthodox can't speak Protestant. And vice-versa. Oddly enough, we began to understand what we *thought* he was telling us rather differently, over time, and he, us.

We need to open up a dialogue--all Christians. What my wife and I had thought was a wide gulf separating us turned out to be a mere crack.

For a while, I was referring to myself as "Proto-Orthodox," in a humorous way.

One thing I've noticed is that the Orthodox simply don't like change. At all. Never for its own sake; they have to have a very compelling reason, or they won't. They're hyper-conservative. I used to think that was a bad thing.

...but I realize now, that it's a very good thing. ;)

17 posted on 12/20/2012 3:32:05 PM PST by sauron ("Truth is hate to those who hate Truth" --unknown)
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To: CynicalBear
Pause? What really makes people pause is when people declare the savior is a sinner by some convoluted logic. Just try to make a point that eliminates his sinlessness. Which means we have no messiah.

The Devil could not even tempt Christ in the forty days but it seems some statements written on these threads have done just that terrible equation. Ludicrous going ons about another language dictionary. What makes Jesus the Christ? Hmmmmm. Maybe the Ten Commandments. What in the world does Honor your Mother and Father mean? Well he would have to obey every commandment not just 9 then leave that one out. Meaning preferential treatment of your parents over others. Priority . Does not mean to ignore others either. But mother and father come first in the family structure.

So in a teaching lesson of words that everybody can be part of the family of God our Savior is dishonoring his mother? Which can not be. Hello. One of these things does not add up.

18 posted on 12/20/2012 3:40:15 PM PST by johngrace (I am a 1 John 4! Christian- declared at every Sunday Mass , Divine Mercy and Rosary prayers!)
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To: RitaOK; CynicalBear; boatbums; mitch5501; BlueDragon; metmom; Dr. Eckleburg; Forest Keeper; ...
"If I may intrude, I believe the poster may intend to ignore the Calvinist bullies, who regularly bait Catholic FReepers into title posts for discussion, overwhelm them with overlong material, and then use that as an excuse to practice their snark lines, to insult Mary, the Holy Father, and generally dash any hope for a discussion.

Catholics hear the same tired and ignorant complaints over and over. If you’re like me and tend to go ballistic, avoid those threads. These threads are generally an intellectual exercise in futility, between brick walls with no resolution to their differences. %;?D)"

With all due respect, I believe you should go back and re-read my post. I am one of those "...Calvinist bullies" who regularly rebuts the utterly demonic misinformation spread by the Romanists. The perspicuity of the Scriptures is unavoidable...Rome has overlain the pure truth of the Gospel of Jesus Christ with false human tradition, myths, superstitions and darkness from the pit.

19 posted on 12/20/2012 3:48:34 PM PST by Dutchboy88
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What really makes people pause is when people declare the savior is a sinner by some convoluted logic.

Another accusation thrown out there as if truth.

Could you perhaps cite that comment you claim to have read with a link to said comment?

Who ever said the Savior is a sinner?

20 posted on 12/20/2012 4:02:36 PM PST by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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