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Cain's New Civilization...Genesis 4 pt 9
http://billrandles.wordpress.com/2012/12/23/cains-new-civilization-genesis-4-pt-9/ ^ | 12-23-12 | Bill Randles

Posted on 12/22/2012 6:17:26 PM PST by pastorbillrandles

And Cain went out from the presence of the Lord, and dwelt in the land of Nod, on the east of Eden. And Cain knew his wife; and she conceived, and bare Enoch: and he builded a city, and called the name of the city, after the name of his son, Enoch. And unto Enoch was born Irad: and Irad begat Mehujael: and Mehujael begat Methusael: and Methusael begat Lamech. And Lamech took unto him two wives: the name of the one was Adah, and the name of the other Zillah. And Adah bare Jabal: he was the father of such as dwell in tents, and of such as have cattle. And his brother’s name was Jubal: he was the father of all such as handle the harp and organ. And Zillah, she also bare Tubalcain, an instructer of every artificer in brass and iron: and the sister of Tubalcain was Naamah. And Lamech said unto his wives, Adah and Zillah, Hear my voice; ye wives of Lamech, hearken unto my speech: for I have slain a man to my wounding, and a young man to my hurt. If Cain shall be avenged sevenfold, truly Lamech seventy and sevenfold.(Genesis 4:16-24)

We are given in few words, a picture of the overall development of humanity in the generations that followed Cain’s “New Start”(the city, Enoch), away from the presence of God.

The direction that the entire civilizational line of Cain took, was one of self redemption. Indeed they acknowledged that there is a curse upon the earth, and that men are no longer in the “garden of delight”, and in Cain’s case especially, the earth no longer yields her goodness.

Therefore they would through hard work and knowledge overcome the curse. And by the development of the city, and through advances on agriculture, the seed of Cain could create their own “garden of Eden” with all of its comforts and security, but without any acknowledgment of God. Human unity and ingenuity would be able to achieve these breakthroughs.

This is why the Holy Spirit chose to highlight three sons of Lamech, each leaders in areas of development undertaken by the seed of Cain. Though fallen, the Cainites still bore the image of God and the God-given powers of dominion over creation. The mandate was still upon all men, to “subdue” the earth.

First, we meet the nomadic Jabal, who led the way into advancement in animal husbandry . Secondly, the artist Jubal who developed new instruments and music. Finally TubalCain, the Metallurgist, and father of the Smith’s trade.

Thus the arts, Music, Technology, Animal science, metallurgy, and advances in agriculture were just some of the trades which had developed and been put to the service of Cain’s project, ie building a secure civilization, overcoming the curse, making a meaningful life on this earth without any reference to God as Creator or Redeemer.

Jubal’s new music and beautiful instruments could now soothe troubled consciences, the new “arts” could well serve to distract and amuse any troubled minds among the Cainites.

Jabal can provide by his multiplying herds and his hardier breeds, a steady supply of milk, meat, wool and leather. And Tubal-Cain’s alloys could give the community the weapons needed to defend themselves, and to make the tools to subdue the earth.**

Was Cain condemned by God to wander? There was no need for that, for his city provided him with a settled place,in spite of God’s judgment. He would not be a vagabond, (at least externally)! Cain needed no “mark of God” to defend him, he now had fortified walls around himself.

Thus did Cain’s “new start”, his Enoch civilisation, set itself directly against the Word of God, and sought to even mitigate the curse and reverse the fall by technology, the arts and sciences, without any reference to the God of Creation.

The only alternative to Cain’s “east of Eden” community at that time , was a small and less advanced line of human development, the line of Seth. They didn’t rapidly develop technology*, for the trend among them was the patient waiting underneath the curse, for the relief that was promised by the “Seed of the woman”.

We can see Seth’s mindset by the name of his son, “Enos”- which means frailty. By this Seth acknowledged the chastening hand of God, and humbled himself under it, knowing that the ultimate triumph over the curse would come by God’s hand and at his time.

The other prominent characteristic among the “Sethite” civilisation which developed, was that in those days they did begin to organize themselves to”Call upon the name of the LORD”.

And Adam knew his wife again; and she bare a son, and called his name Seth: For God, said she, hath appointed me another seed instead of Abel, whom Cain slew. And to Seth, to him also there was born a son; and he called his name Enos: then began men to call upon the name of the Lord. (Genesis 4:25-26)

But a disturbing picture emerges from the sparse snapshot of family life as it came to develop among the Cainites. In the case of Lamech, the seventh from Adam, we see that the primal law of marriage to one woman had already been cast aside as irrelevant , Lamech was a polygamist.

Hear my voice; ye wives of Lamech, hearken unto my speech: for I have slain a man to my wounding, and a young man to my hurt. If Cain shall be avenged sevenfold, truly Lamech seventy and sevenfold.

These are the earliest recorded words in scripture of a song, but rather than praises to God, we hear the blasphemous boasts of a violent, vengeful ”hero’, comparing his own violent retribution to any perceived slight, to the merciful concession God offered his frightened forefather Cain.”If Cain be avenged sevenfold, Lamech, seventy and seven -fold!”.

As GH Pember so aptly described”The history of the Cainites begins with a murder, and ends with praise of a murder. In it’s seventh number, everything is forgotten; with music, social amenities,luxury,and display everything is benumbed.The curse of loneliness is changed into city life, the curse of being unsettled into love of travel,the bad conscience into heroism,which makes the remembrance of the curse of God’s ancestors only a support of ones own God blaspheming self consciousness. Thus all is pleasure, splendor, entwined and crowned with the flower of human wit and the soul’s creative power, and poetic art.”(Earth’s Earliest Ages,GH Pember)***

Can you see that this is also a description of our current world? Have not our increases in technology, advances in the arts, and in agriculture and defense caused us also to forget that this world is cursed and that thus it is not our permanent home?

Have we also not seen a systematic dismantling of our once christian culture? The primal law of mariage, the role of male and female, the sanctity of life, and civility and society? Do we not now hear “Artists” celebrating all that is base, violent, nihilistic and blasphemous? Where does the Cainite civilisation end , but in the flood?

* Jesus would tell us centuries later that” The children of this age, are often much wiser in their time, than the children of light”(Luke 16:8)

** It is believed that the greek god “Vulcan” the god of fire and smithing, was from a corrupted memory of Tubal Cain…”Bal-Cain”….Vulcan…

*** By no means do I endorse everything Pember taught, but he did have some valuable insights.


TOPICS: Charismatic Christian; Evangelical Christian; Theology; Worship
KEYWORDS: bloggersandpersonal; cain; endtimes; gospel; sourcetitlenoturl; theology; vanity

1 posted on 12/22/2012 6:17:33 PM PST by pastorbillrandles
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To: pastorbillrandles

While the possibility of Vulcan being a derivative of Tubal-Cain is interesting, I’d have to see evidence that, in the original languages, this could be so.


2 posted on 12/22/2012 6:30:59 PM PST by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults.)
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To: Jonty30

I don’t have any evidence at hand, that not being my burden for this article.but passed along that little bit that I had heard. I should have said,”It is believed by some” but thought that “it is believed...” already inferred by some.


3 posted on 12/22/2012 6:47:02 PM PST by pastorbillrandles
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To: pastorbillrandles
The Greek god of fire and smithing was Hephaestus.

Vulcan was his Roman counterpart.

4 posted on 12/22/2012 6:54:28 PM PST by Bratch
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To: Jonty30
The etymologists believe they can identify a super group of languages to which both the Semitic and the Indo-European tongues belong.

Remember, the oldest Bible stories predate the existence of the people who put those stories into the Bible ~ and most have undergone some transformation by being translated from one language to another many different times.

Some of them are like Ma-Nu ~ part of a nearly world wide literary tradition. Then there's The Great Fish image ~

Since we know we don't have a really good compendium of all human literature back to the beginning of the big melt down of the great glaciers about 20,000 years ago, nor do we have a really good fix on the words they used, it is as reasonable to think Tubal Cain has a common origin with Vulcan, as to not think that.

5 posted on 12/22/2012 6:55:25 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: pastorbillrandles
But a disturbing picture emerges from the sparse snapshot of family life as it came to develop among the Cainites. In the case of Lamech, the seventh from Adam, we see that the primal law of marriage to one woman had already been cast aside as irrelevant , Lamech was a polygamist.

So, marrying one sister was ok but two, or more was not?

6 posted on 12/22/2012 7:03:17 PM PST by fso301
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To: Bratch

Thanks Bratch-


7 posted on 12/22/2012 7:17:27 PM PST by pastorbillrandles
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To: pastorbillrandles
Genesis 11
The Tower of Babel

11 Now the whole world had one language and a common speech. 2 As people moved eastward,[a] they found a plain in Shinar[b] and settled there.

3 They said to each other, “Come, let’s make bricks and bake them thoroughly.” They used brick instead of stone, and tar for mortar. 4 Then they said, “Come, let us build ourselves a city, with a tower that reaches to the heavens, so that we may make a name for ourselves; otherwise we will be scattered over the face of the whole earth.”

5 But the Lord came down to see the city and the tower the people were building. 6 The Lord said, “If as one people speaking the same language they have begun to do this, then nothing they plan to do will be impossible for them. 7 Come, let us go down and confuse their language so they will not understand each other.”

English has already become the "common" language of the planet. Knowledge has been increased 100 fold over the last century and half. We are now out of the "Roman Age". Take a man from 1880 and put him into 200 AD and he would be able to adapt quite easily, same with a man from 200 AD put into 1880 AD. Take both of those men and place them into 2012 AD and they would have a very difficult time.
8 posted on 12/22/2012 7:31:19 PM PST by Dallas59 (America died a little bit more on 11/6/2012)
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To: Dallas59

I agree but can’t see what you are sayng to me brother.


9 posted on 12/22/2012 7:34:02 PM PST by pastorbillrandles
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To: pastorbillrandles

Just part of Gods plan/predictions for the end times. God gave us the intellect to create. He knew that we could eventually do anything once we sinfully found the knowledge. But everything we will/have created would exclude him. Just goes back to the message that this world is a temporary existence. No matter what we do or create it’s all foolishness to God because it leaves out him and our eternal partnership with him.


10 posted on 12/22/2012 7:41:50 PM PST by Dallas59 (America died a little bit more on 11/6/2012)
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To: pastorbillrandles

It goes back to my childhood in the Church. Our preacher got on the bandwagon over the moon landings that were popular talk back in the early 70’s. He thought it was great for our country and so on, but he asked us to imagine the advancements we could have made with Gods guidance, that is if Adam and Eve and not sinned. His view was that “ mans dominance over the Earth” which God had given Adam and Eve included the physical Universe. Instead of the Moon we might have been populating the stars by now.


11 posted on 12/22/2012 7:49:31 PM PST by Dallas59 (America died a little bit more on 11/6/2012)
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To: Dallas59

I gotcha, thanks for the insight.


12 posted on 12/22/2012 7:52:25 PM PST by pastorbillrandles
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To: fso301
"So, marrying one sister was ok but two, or more was not?"

That is correct. Monogamy was to be practiced. As far as marrying ones sister, that was a given being as to how the race had not progressed to the point of cousins and distant cousins. The bloodline was still pure enough to allow for it without the genetic defects in todays times.

13 posted on 12/22/2012 7:59:35 PM PST by BipolarBob (I survived the Lindsay Lohan Bar, Grill and Fight Club.)
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To: pastorbillrandles

No problem.

I was a mythology nerd in high school. I’ve forgotten most of it; however, it always intrigued me that the ugliest god (Hephaestus/Vulcan) wound up marrying the most beautiful one (Aphrodite/Venus).


14 posted on 12/22/2012 9:03:16 PM PST by Bratch
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To: pastorbillrandles

While all of this is very interesting I personally feel it is a huge reach. The solution that God gave all mankind to be relieved of the curse, death, if you will was His gift of sending His eternally perfect Son into the world to be punished for our sins. To be resurrected and share eternal life with us if we simply follow Him and obey His commandments.

The solution is still available to all who will partake of it.


15 posted on 12/22/2012 9:07:36 PM PST by JAKraig (Surely my religion is at least as good as yours)
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To: pastorbillrandles

I love and hate the book of Genesis at the same time. For every verse I have at least 10 questions that will never be answered.


16 posted on 12/22/2012 9:53:27 PM PST by Free Vulcan (Vote Republican! [You can vote Democrat when you're dead]...)
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To: JAKraig

Well said, JAKraig. Also “Have not our increases in technology, advances in the arts, and in agriculture and defense caused us also to forget that this world is cursed and that thus it is not our permanent home?”, that’s true as well, pastor, however, we were created in the image of the almighty, the CREATOR, we cannot help but create ourselves, given whom we’ve descended from. We reflect His image, His awesome creativity but a spark in us but nonetheless a spark. But we do tend to forget this isn’t our permanent home, I’ll give you that.


17 posted on 12/23/2012 12:29:21 AM PST by hulagirl (Mother Theresa was right)
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To: pastorbillrandles

Noah showed himself to be a master of all the Cainite “evil” technologies” by building a boat(using God’s plan), harnessing animal husbandry, he could plant vineyards and farms ect....

The world’s first Great Godly Polymath.... whom God used to to preserve humanity!

Joseph was another one!


18 posted on 12/23/2012 2:54:18 AM PST by mdmathis6 ("Barry" Xmas to all and have a rapaciously taxable New Year!)
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To: mdmathis6

No one said technology itself was”evil” , rather it is a function of man’s God given dominion over the earth!


19 posted on 12/23/2012 6:50:20 AM PST by pastorbillrandles
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To: JAKraig

That is true, its what I have been saying all along, (that the solution is Jesus), In what way is this all a “huge reach”?


20 posted on 12/23/2012 6:54:07 AM PST by pastorbillrandles
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To: hulagirl

You and I are making the same point Hulagirl(BTW My Wifr’s family is Hawaiian),Man was created in the iimage of God,and must create and excercise dominion over creation. However in a fallen state our creativity is often put to the service of forgetting God.And of course as I told JAK, obviously Jesus is the ultimate answer of God to the curse.


21 posted on 12/23/2012 6:58:41 AM PST by pastorbillrandles
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To: BipolarBob
That is correct. Monogamy was to be practiced.

Where is that written?

22 posted on 12/23/2012 7:02:28 AM PST by fso301
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To: fso301

in Genesis 2- “For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother and shall cleave unto his wife, and they two shall be one flesh”


23 posted on 12/23/2012 7:51:38 AM PST by pastorbillrandles
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