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The Duck-Billed Platypus Gets Even More Confusing
Apologetics Press ^ | 2004 | Brad Harrub, Ph.D.

Posted on 12/27/2012 9:35:55 AM PST by lasereye

The duck-billed platypus has always been a thorn in the side of evolutionists (see “The Flat-Footed, Beaver-Tailed, Duck-Billed Platypus” by Nathaniel Nelson). Many evolutionists would like to simply prune it off the evolutionary tree of life, having been forced to place it on a lone branch all to itself. But the thorn has just gotten much larger, and much harder to ignore. Aside from the fact that this mammal lays eggs and possesses features found only among birds and reptiles, researchers have now discovered that the platypus boasts not two sex chromosomes like most animals, but ten (see Grützner, et al., 2004)! Roxanne Khamsi, Nature staff writer, noted:

Everyone knows that the duck-billed platypus is pretty strange. But it seems this mammal’s eccentricities extend beyond its famous bill, and habit of laying eggs, to the way its genes determine sex. Not content with one pair of sex chromosomes, the platypus (Ornithorhynchus anatinus) has five. This is the largest number found in mammals so far… (2004).

Before you write this off as simply a “non-issue” anomaly, consider for just a moment the implications. Normally, one sex chromosome from a male species combines with one sex chromosome from a female species to make a full compliment of chromosomes. With the duck-billed platypus, this combination suddenly takes on an entirely different level of complexity. As Elizabeth Pennisi, Science staff writer, admitted:

Many organisms have two sex chromosomes. Women for example have two X chromosomes, and men have one X and one Y. But in the platypus, males have five X and five Y chromosomes, while females have 10 Xs. If the male platypus’s X and Y chromosomes randomly segregated into sperm this would greatly complicate sex determination.

This latest study helps scientists understand how the duck-billed platypus is able to keep its reproduction from going amiss. In documenting this amazing feat, Grützner and his colleagues watched the ten chromosomes link up into a chain. Pennisi observed:

The chain consisted of alternating X and Y chromosomes. During the key step in sperm formation—a division that results in two cells, each with half the number of the original number of chromosomes—the X and Y chromosomes peeled off from the chain one by one and headed into separate cells, all segregating faithfully with their own kind. This ensures that half of the sperm each have five X chromosomes; the other half have five Y chromosomes (2004).

Was it by accident that these chromosomes formed this chain in alternating order, and then precisely peeled off into separate X and Y groups? This extreme complexity veritably screams “design”! Yet researchers are hastily painting an evolutionary picture to try to explain this peculiarity.

Evolutionists, however, face a daunting task. First they must explain the sudden appearance of (and reason for) double homologous sex chromosomes. How is it that at one point in time, “nature” was able to evolve a female member of a species that produces eggs and is internally equipped to nourish a growing embryo, while at the same time evolving a male member that produces motile sperm cells? And, further, how is it that these gametes (eggs and sperm) “conveniently” evolved so that they each contain half the normal chromosome number of standard somatic (body) cells? And why is this the case? Of the 46 human chromosomes, 44 are members of identical pairs, but two, the X and Y (generally referred to as the “sex chromosomes”), stand apart. Evolutionists thus are faced with the unenviable challenge of explaining not only the origin of sex chromosomes themselves, but also the evolution of two totally different sex chromosomes (X and Y). [For more on the origin of sexual reproduction and gender, the reader is encouraged to read “The Origin of Gender and Sexual Reproduction.”]

Once evolutionists overcome that gargantuan hurdle, they then must answer why this creature possesses ten chromosomes, and how it evolved the ability to recombine them. Some of the researchers point out that maybe this is a link between birds and mammals. Commenting on their findings, Grützner and his coworkers lamented: “This suggests an evolutionary link between mammal and bird-sex chromosome systems, which were previously thought to have evolved independently” (2004, p. 1). Interestingly, Darwinians place mammals on the planet 100 million years before birds. Grützner’s suggestion requires evolutionists to explain how a mammal—the duck-billed platypus—evolved its sexual reproduction from birds—a change in the evolutionary tree that would require chainsaws, massive splicing, rolls and rolls of duct-tape, and a good dose of Miracle Grow®. Most evolutionary biologists are unwilling to even “go there.” (And of course the obvious question then becomes why did this process not evolve in other mammals?)

Commenting on the new discovery, Steve Rozen, of the Whitehead Institute for Biomedical Research in Cambridge, Massachusetts, remarked: “Mammals are pretty boring when it comes to sex chromosomes. The platypus is a huge exception.” Khamsi asks the obvious question: “What is the advantage of having so many sex chromosomes?” To which Rozen replied: “It’s hard to speculate on how that could have evolved” (see Khamsi, 2004). Hard to speculate indeed! What could this creature possibly gain by “evolving” such a complex and costly reproductive method? Sexual reproduction in animals with two sex chromosomes has a “selective disadvantage” of at least 50%—a disadvantage that will not budge! The duck-billed platypus has ten sex chromosomes, each of which would lose 50% of their genetic material.

Evolution cannot explain the origin of two sex chromosomes—much less ten! What is the “purpose” of so many chromosomes? And how can evolution via natural selection explain it? Would “Nature” (notice the capital “N”) “select for” sexual reproduction? As it turns out, the common “survival of the fittest” mentality cannot begin to explain the high cost of first, evolving, and then maintaining, the sexual apparatus. Sexual reproduction requires organisms to first produce, and then maintain, gametes (reproductive cells—i.e., sperm and eggs). Yet the duck-billed platypus has five times the number of sex chromosomes, and still is able to link them in a chain and then faithfully segregate them in order to maintain the correct number! Surely, to an open and honest mind, this beautiful complexity points to a Great Designer.

REFERENCES

Grützner, Frank, Willem Rens, et al., (2004), “In the Platypus a Meiotic Chain of Ten Sex Chromosomes Shares Genes With the Bird Z and Mammal X Chromosomes,” Nature, [On-line], URL: http://www.nature.com/cgi-taf/DynaPage.taf?file=/nature/journal/vaop/ncurrent/full/nature03021_fs.html&content_filetype=pdf.

Khamsi, Roxanne (2004), “Duck-Billed Platypus Boasts Ten Sex Chromosomes,” Nature, [Online], URL: http://www.nature.com/news/2004/041025/full/041025-1.html

Pennisi, Elizabeth (2004), “Platypus X-Files,” Science, [On-line], URL: http://sciencenow.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/full/2004/1026/3, October 26.


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1 posted on 12/27/2012 9:36:03 AM PST by lasereye
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To: lasereye

Put down the crack pipe


2 posted on 12/27/2012 9:38:21 AM PST by qam1 (There's been a huge party. All plates and the bottles are empty, all that's left is the bill to pay)
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To: lasereye

Simply because God is awesome.


3 posted on 12/27/2012 9:46:46 AM PST by Resolute Conservative
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To: lasereye; Lazamataz
...researchers have now discovered that the platypus boasts not two sex chromosomes like most animals, but ten...

At last, Laz's missing link.

4 posted on 12/27/2012 9:50:06 AM PST by shove_it (the 0bama regime are the people Huxley, Orwell and Rand warned us about)
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To: lasereye
I got it! Platypi are descended from a pair of alien pets who wandered away from their owners' UFO, like the alien child did in Chicken Little. Right? Hey goofy-haired history Channel alien guy, whaddaya think?


5 posted on 12/27/2012 9:50:42 AM PST by ExGeeEye (I'll give y'all 90 days for the wounds to heal; then we start on 2014. Carpe GOP!)
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To: lasereye

Nice, thanks.


6 posted on 12/27/2012 9:55:32 AM PST by kitkat
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To: lasereye
Duck-Billed Platypus
the Platypus, Nature's sex Fiend...
not really
....nature is strange / can be perverse.
ref: the (sex-crazed) MINK...LOL!

7 posted on 12/27/2012 10:00:38 AM PST by skinkinthegrass (Who'll take tomorrow,spend it all today;who can take your income & tax it all away..0Bama man can :-)
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To: ExGeeEye

I am facebook friends with that guy and he even mocks his own hair.


8 posted on 12/27/2012 10:02:26 AM PST by autumnraine (America how long will you be so deaf and dumb to the tumbril wheels carrying you to the guillotine?)
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To: lasereye

Thankfully Fred Rogers is in heaven (cause I hate to think what PBS would do with the platypus on his show given THIS little tidbit of information)


9 posted on 12/27/2012 10:02:40 AM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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To: lasereye

Now he’s got me wondering whether God created the duck billed platypus on the fifth day, with the birds and the fishes, or on the sixth day, with the beasts of the field.


10 posted on 12/27/2012 10:04:12 AM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: shove_it; lasereye; Lazamataz
LL!
somehow, I (just :) Knew Laz...would
"show-up" on this thread.

11 posted on 12/27/2012 10:04:12 AM PST by skinkinthegrass (Who'll take tomorrow,spend it all today;who can take your income & tax it all away..0Bama man can :-)
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To: lasereye
They're also excellent secret agents!


12 posted on 12/27/2012 10:06:37 AM PST by COBOL2Java (kak-is-toc-ra-cy: Government by the least qualified or most unprincipled citizens. See: GOP-e)
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To: lasereye

"Five sex chromosomes? They're describing me, Yortuk!"
13 posted on 12/27/2012 10:06:52 AM PST by Rebelbase
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To: ExGeeEye
[ 1,000,000 B.C.]

{"Now where did I leave my dogs?"}

14 posted on 12/27/2012 10:08:43 AM PST by mikrofon (ARF)
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To: lasereye

If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it probably is 5 platipussies.


15 posted on 12/27/2012 10:09:34 AM PST by bunkerhill7 (?.)
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To: lasereye
Interestingly, Darwinians place mammals on the planet 100 million years before birds.

That is dishonest.

Birds are modified dinosaurs, according to the latest understanding.

/johnny

16 posted on 12/27/2012 10:17:21 AM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: qam1

Platypus is my middle name!


17 posted on 12/27/2012 10:20:52 AM PST by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ( Ya can't pick up a turd by the clean end!)
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To: Cicero

“Now he’s got me wondering whether God created the duck billed platypus on the fifth day, with the birds and the fishes, or on the sixth day, with the beasts of the field.”

Must have been at midnight between the 5th and 6th day.


18 posted on 12/27/2012 10:31:23 AM PST by Larry - Moe and Curly (Loose lips sink ships.)
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To: lasereye

I’m sure HE will explain it all to us, should our curiosity remain with us in the Afterlife.


19 posted on 12/27/2012 10:32:58 AM PST by JimRed (Excise the cancer before it kills us; feed &water the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS, NOW & FOREVER!)
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To: lasereye
The article repeats "duck-billed Platypus."

Are there any Platypusses with other kinds of bills?

Or maybe with no bills at all?

Just askin'

20 posted on 12/27/2012 10:34:33 AM PST by eCSMaster (2012 elections: American Coup d'etat!)
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To: lasereye

God does not play dice with the universe, but sometimes He does play jokes on it.


21 posted on 12/27/2012 10:39:54 AM PST by Fresh Wind (The last remnants of the Old Republic have been swept away.)
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To: eCSMaster

The chicken-beaked platypus.


22 posted on 12/27/2012 10:39:59 AM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: bunkerhill7

“If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it probably is 5 platipussies.”

Yes, and “Science” writer Elizabeth Pennisi’s hard on their tail!


23 posted on 12/27/2012 10:48:57 AM PST by Fightin Whitey
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To: Fresh Wind

I’ve believed for quite a while that God has the greatest sense of humor of all.


24 posted on 12/27/2012 10:51:42 AM PST by zeugma (Those of us who work for a living are outnumbered by those who vote for a living.)
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To: lasereye

bkmk


25 posted on 12/27/2012 10:55:03 AM PST by Sergio (An object at rest cannot be stopped! - The Evil Midnight Bomber What Bombs at Midnight)
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To: lasereye
Duck bill what?


26 posted on 12/27/2012 11:05:54 AM PST by WakeUpAndVote
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To: lasereye

The fossil record indicates that the platypus appeared fully formed, with all of its “adaptations” perfectly balanced. Fossils dated to millions of years ago look almost identical to the modern animal.


27 posted on 12/27/2012 11:22:26 AM PST by mjp ((pro-{God, reality, reason, egoism, individualism, natural rights, limited government, capitalism}))
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To: ExGeeEye

Damn you beat me to it.


28 posted on 12/27/2012 11:31:47 AM PST by Trueblackman (I would rather lose on Conservative principles than vote for a RINO candidate.)
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To: ExGeeEye

Damn you beat me to it.


29 posted on 12/27/2012 11:31:49 AM PST by Trueblackman (I would rather lose on Conservative principles than vote for a RINO candidate.)
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To: ExGeeEye

Damn you beat me to it.


30 posted on 12/27/2012 11:31:56 AM PST by Trueblackman (I would rather lose on Conservative principles than vote for a RINO candidate.)
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To: ExGeeEye

Damn you beat me to it.


31 posted on 12/27/2012 11:31:57 AM PST by Trueblackman (I would rather lose on Conservative principles than vote for a RINO candidate.)
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To: ExGeeEye

Damn you beat me to it.


32 posted on 12/27/2012 11:31:57 AM PST by Trueblackman (I would rather lose on Conservative principles than vote for a RINO candidate.)
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To: ExGeeEye

Damn you beat me to it.


33 posted on 12/27/2012 11:31:57 AM PST by Trueblackman (I would rather lose on Conservative principles than vote for a RINO candidate.)
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To: ExGeeEye

Damn you beat me to it.


34 posted on 12/27/2012 11:31:57 AM PST by Trueblackman (I would rather lose on Conservative principles than vote for a RINO candidate.)
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To: lasereye

It’s also the only venomous mammal.


35 posted on 12/27/2012 12:38:33 PM PST by TASMANIANRED (Viva Christo Rey)
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To: Trueblackman

Don’t be so tough on yourself. yourself yourself yourself yourself yourself


36 posted on 12/27/2012 12:43:54 PM PST by eartrumpet
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To: Buckeye McFrog
(cause I hate to think what PBS would do with the platypus on his show given THIS little tidbit of information)

Proclaim from the mountain tops the Gay gene has been almost found.

37 posted on 12/27/2012 12:47:27 PM PST by itsahoot (Any enemy, that is allowed to have a King's X line, is undefeatable. (USS Taluga AO-62))
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To: TASMANIANRED
It’s also the only venomous mammal.

You've obviously never met my wife.

Ba-dum, dum.

That was too easy, but when you're dished up an easy pitch, you just gotta take a swing at it.
38 posted on 12/27/2012 12:52:47 PM PST by tanknetter
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To: JRandomFreeper

Creationists routinely lie. To themselves and others.


39 posted on 12/27/2012 12:53:12 PM PST by allmendream (Tea Party did not send GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism)
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To: zeugma
I’ve believed for quite a while that God has the greatest sense of humor of all.

+1.
40 posted on 12/27/2012 12:54:07 PM PST by tanknetter
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To: lasereye
The duck-billed platypus has always been a thorn in the side of evolutionists.

Straw man.

41 posted on 12/27/2012 12:55:34 PM PST by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: Cicero
Now he’s got me wondering whether God created the duck billed platypus on the fifth day, with the birds and the fishes, or on the sixth day, with the beasts of the field

Stop wondering, it was very late Saturday night, using left over parts.
That's when I usually do something utterly inexplicable.

42 posted on 12/27/2012 1:00:09 PM PST by norton
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To: JRandomFreeper

If you will believe birds descended form dinosaurs, you are a birdbrain.

No animal has EVER been shown to have evolved from another.
Adaptation, however, occurs all the time.

Science is about things that are (1) Observable and (2) repeatable.
Darwinian evolution is neither.
Darwin himself said that the fossils should be found to show a smooth transition over millions of years as species evolved form one to another.
There is no such fossil record.
So we go “punctuated equalibrium” theory, that states that nothing evolves until a traumatic event, and then it bounds forward. So how will complex organs be formed by punctuated equalibrium driven by cataclysmic changes? It can’t.

Before Darwinism, people believe in Spontaneous Generation. That farce was destroyed and replaced with Darwinism. So no more horsehairs turn into worms, or mandrake roots into man, but now we have dinosaurs into chickens. Or mud into Microbes. Even a microbe has thousands of genes, which consist of hundreds of thousands of base pairs.

Useful complexity does not arrive by chance. If you believe so, next time tou want to invent something, just put atoms in a bag, and shake until you have an iphone.


43 posted on 12/27/2012 1:05:45 PM PST by BereanBrain
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To: BereanBrain
I didn't say anything about my beliefs.

I reported what the current theory is, which isn't what the guy said.

He stated a falsehood.

/johnny

44 posted on 12/27/2012 1:19:51 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: JRandomFreeper
Interestingly, Darwinians place mammals on the planet 100 million years before birds.

That is dishonest.

Birds are modified dinosaurs, according to the latest understanding.

Mammals and dinosaurs are supposed to have coexisted. There's no contradiction there.

45 posted on 12/27/2012 1:52:53 PM PST by lasereye
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To: allmendream
Creationists routinely lie. To themselves and others.

Mammals and dinosaurs are supposed to have coexisted. There's no contradiction there.

46 posted on 12/27/2012 1:56:14 PM PST by lasereye
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To: mjp
The fossil record indicates that the platypus appeared fully formed, with all of its “adaptations” perfectly balanced. Fossils dated to millions of years ago look almost identical to the modern animal.

I think that's the norm in the fossil record.

47 posted on 12/27/2012 1:59:22 PM PST by lasereye
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To: mjp
The fossil record indicates that the platypus appeared fully formed, with all of its “adaptations” perfectly balanced. Fossils dated to millions of years ago look almost identical to the modern animal.

Check out Living Fossils.

48 posted on 12/27/2012 2:07:24 PM PST by lasereye
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To: lasereye

More proof that God has a sense of humor.


49 posted on 12/27/2012 2:29:43 PM PST by Some Fat Guy in L.A. (Still bitterly clinging to rational thought despite it's unfashionability)
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To: Resolute Conservative
Simply because God is awesome.

Why do so many "scientists" refuse to acknowledge this fact?

50 posted on 12/27/2012 4:16:41 PM PST by dearolddad
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