A Catholic Response to Sola Fide: Saved by Faith Alone (Ecumenical)

I would hesitate to partake of any bread offered by one who believes that he has conjured up the body of Yeshua therein.

err no one believes that the minister "conjures up" anything

1 Cor 11:23-26

23For I have received of the Lord that which also I delivered unto you, that the Lord Jesus the same night in which he was betrayed took bread:

24And when he had given thanks, he brake it, and said, Take, eat: this is my body, which is broken for you: this do in remembrance of me.

25After the same manner also he took the cup, when he had supped, saying, this cup is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of me.

26For as often as ye eat this bread, and drink this cup, ye do shew the Lord's death till he come.

and all of this is confirmed in Paul's writings to the Corinthians (1 Cor. 10:16)

6 Is not the cup of thanksgiving for which we give thanks a participation in the blood of Christ? And is not the bread that we break a participation in the body of Christ?

and also 1 Cor 11:27-29

27 So then, whoever eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord in an unworthy manner will be guilty of sinning against the body and blood of the Lord.
28 Everyone ought to examine themselves before they eat of the bread and drink from the cup.
29 For those who eat and drink without discerning the body of Christ eat and drink judgment on themselves.

How clear can Paul get? "The bread IS a participation in the body of Christ" and "who eats the bread... will have to answer for the body and blood of the Lord" This is not just mere bread and wine anymore. This is the body and blood of Christ.

Finally, the Earliest Christians also said any consideration of this as just a metaphor was false -- Ignature of Antioch (disciple of Apotle John) wrote in AD 110 wrote about heretics who abstain from the Eucharist and from prayer, because they do not confess that the Eucharist is the flesh of our Savior Jesus Christ, flesh which suffered for our sins and which the Father, in his goodness, raised up again" (Letter to the SMyrnaens). The earliest Christians beleived this to be the ACTUAL body of Christ.

the body of Yeshua therein. That is no better than eating the meat offered to idols.

In fact, e-s, your statements are similar to the false accusations made of the Early Christians -- The earliest Christians beleived this to be the ACTUAL body of Christ. Why, they were also accused by pagans of being cannibals and Justin MArtyr had to write a defence to the Emperor saying "Not as common bread or common drink do we receive these; but since Jesus Christ our Savior was made incarnate by the word of God and had both flesh and blood for our salvation, so too, as we have been taught, the food which has been made into the Eucharist by the Eucharistic prayer set down by him, and by the change of which our blood and flesh is nourished, . . . is both the flesh and the blood of that incarnated Jesus"

The first Christians knew that the Eucharist was/is a sacrifice, the one-time sacrifice

This is as per Malachi 1:11 For from the rising of the sun even unto the going down of the same my name shall be great among the Gentiles; and in every place incense shall be offered unto my name, and a pure offering: for my name shall be great among the heathen, saith the Lord of hosts.

If you read in the Didache (from AD 70) you will read that

"Assemble on the Lord’s day, and break bread and offer the Eucharist; but first make confession of your faults, so that your sacrifice may be a pure one. Anyone who has a difference with his fellow is not to take part with you until he has been reconciled, so as to avoid any profanation of your sacrifice [Matt. 5:23–24]. For this is the offering of which the Lord has said, ‘Everywhere and always bring me a sacrifice that is undefiled, for I am a great king, says the Lord, and my name is the wonder of nations’ [Mal. 1:11, 14]" (Didache 14

This was KNOWN by the Early Christians as the participation in Christ's One-time, pure sacrifice

traditional Protestant

I'm sorry, but you cannot say that that is the "traditional Protestant" view because the Lutherans believe in the True Presence of Christ in the Eucharist. As Martin Luther said Who, but the devil, has granted such license of wresting the words of the holy Scripture? Who ever read in the Scriptures, that my body is the same as the sign of my body? or, that is is the same as it signifies? What language in the world ever spoke so? It is only then the devil, that imposes upon us by these fanatical men.

One cannot say that this is only the daily surrendering to Christ -- btw, that is in orthodoxy (from which the non-orthodox took) but is not "only" -- the reference in the Didache to an undefiled sacrifice says "offer the Eucharist" which is the sacrifice referred to in the following

>> “ The earliest Christians beleived this to be the ACTUAL body of Christ.” <<

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Absolutely not!

The false Christians apparently got that idea and ran, but not so much as one true believer ever believed such pagan nonsense. The churches are full of tares that follow the nicolaitans in lockstep on such things, being anxious to purchase eternal life by their rules, but we’ll hear their teeth gnashing on judgement day.

I pray that your ignorance is removed. Paul is very clear to me and not only to me but to millions of Christians right from Apostolic times

So, the early Christians -- who knew Christ and Paul or knew the Apostles believed that Paul was very clear "The bread IS a participation in the body of Christ" and "who eats the bread... will have to answer for the body and blood of the Lord" This is not just mere bread and wine anymore. This is the body and blood of Christ. -- I think I'd rather hold with people who lived around the time of Christ rather than with some editor 2000 years later...

editor The false Christians apparently got that idea and ran, but not so much as one true believer ever believed such pagan nonsense. --> So are you calling all the Early Christians as false?

Ignatius of Antioch (disciple of Apotle John) wrote in AD 110 wrote about heretics who abstain from the Eucharist and from prayer, because they do not confess that the Eucharist is the flesh of our Savior Jesus Christ, flesh which suffered for our sins and which the Father, in his goodness, raised up again" (Letter to the Smyrnaens)

So, I'm sorry, but the Early Christians hold to the True Presence of Christ in the Eucharist -- which is what we in orthodoxy and even a Protestant like the Lutherans believe in...

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