Mariaphobic Response Syndrome: Part Two

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[BipolarBob]

Thank you for your unbiased and learned opinion.

[BipolarBob]

For example, we know that it is appointed for all men to die, yet we know that Enoch and Elijah did not die!

There are several explanations for this anomaly. "All" could mean in general and these were spared for reasons unknown. OR they could die in the future as in the two prophets in Revelations who are murdered. In which case it just means they haven't died yet.

[count-your-change]

If Enoch and Elijah did not die, where are they?

[BipolarBob]

Where ever God wants them to be. I suppose Heaven. Why quibble over minutiae?

[count-your-change]

Not minutiae at all if we are to understand God's word. After all John 3:13 says no man ascended into heaven except Christ. We wouldn't want to believe something that isn't so.

[BipolarBob]

Heaven is referred to many times in the Bible as Heavens as in plural. As in many parts to this huge place. @ Cor 12:2 refers to the third heaven. Rain comes from the heavens but does that mean the Throne of God? Heaven has a Temple and a Holy of Holies. I am sure there are parts of Heaven that none except Christ can enter. But there are other open areas where they may.

[Mad Dawg]

Another place to go looking would be into αναβαινω. It seems to have a very active sense, to mount, to spring up, like that. But Elijah was taken up.

On the other hand, Acts 1:9 has a passive verb, (επηρθη) was lifted up. Interesting.

[count-your-change]

Yes, the term “heaven” can mean simply the expanse above us but clearly that is not what John was saying.
Since Paul said flesh and blood cannot inherit God’s kingdom, 1 Cor. 15:50, I should think that this is a question demanding more explanation and that the fate of Enoch and Elijah must be otherwise.

A good subject to explore further.

[jacknhoo]

Satan and all the other evil spirits fear Mary because of her role as the Mother of God and because through her the Redemption of mankind was able to take place.

[BipolarBob]

Satan and all the other evil spirits fear Mary

Puuh-lease!! (1)Satan does not fear flesh and blood.(2) Mary is dead. (3) You have no Biblical basis to show that Satan fears Mary. None.

[deltaromeo11]

Read this one:
http://www.amazon.com/Preparing-Eternity-Mike-Gendron/dp/0971700931/ref=sr_1_2?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1357239401&sr=1-2&keywords=gendron

[Former Fetus]

Apology accepted! I must say that I also over-reacted, maybe too used to being attacked by Catholics here in FR. For that I apologize too!

I'm at work now, just taking a break. But I do hope we can continue our discussions in the future. People spend hours and countless energy discussing football, why shouldn't we enjoy just as much discussing our beliefs? Peace be with you!

[jacknhoo]

Sacred Scripture says that the thoughts of our hearts will be revealed because of Mary. So when you hear someone speak with tenderness about Mary, their heart is revealed. It is a sign. When they lament her sorrows at the cross. It’s a sign. If they say, “Ha! Mary’s not that big of a deal - she’s a sinner like us all,” then this to is a sign. Their heart is revealed.