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11 Biblical Tests of Genuine Salvation: Test #1 - Do you enjoy Fellowship with God and Christ?
SO4J ^ | John MacArthur

Posted on 01/04/2013 7:15:20 AM PST by xzins

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To: Ecliptic
John mcarthur believes Christians are selected by God and not saved by faith.

He is a Calvinist, but no Calvinist would reject Sola Fide; it is one of their basic principles.

So far as being selected by God, even free-will Christians believe that. "Those He foreknew, He predestined."

21 posted on 01/04/2013 11:56:34 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True supporters of our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: left that other site; ItsOurTimeNow
And here’s the rub...if we start answering “YES” to the majority of the questions, do we become like the pharisee who went up to the Temple to pray, and addressed God by listing all his good deeds?

It is possible both to examine oneself and not become a Pharisee. The Apostle Paul says, "a man ought to examine himself..."

John says:

"1 John 1:5 This is the message we have heard from him and declare to you: God is light; in him there is no darkness at all. 6 If we claim to have fellowship with him yet walk in the darkness, we lie and do not live by the truth. 7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus, his Son, purifies us from all sin. 8 If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us. 9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness. 10 If we claim we have not sinned, we make him out to be a liar and his word has no place in our lives. "

"If we confess our sins..." assumes that we have reflected and realized our sin.

22 posted on 01/04/2013 12:08:19 PM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True supporters of our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: xzins

Of Course we must examine ourselves. It is part of the Christian Walk.

But we must be very careful, in going through a “Checklist” that we do not succumb to legalism.

Funny Story:

I was in the 4th grade, and the rather inept public school teacher was explaining about the Puritans. Of COURSE, I asked: “What’s a Puritan?”

Teacher: They were Calvinists.
Me: What’s a Calvinist?
Teacher: Someone who believes in predestination.
Me: What’s predestination?
Teacher; That’s the belief that God has already decided who’s going to heaven and who’s going to hell.
Me: Then why be good? if you’re going to hell anyway, why not just do whatever you want to?

The teacher then just sputtered “I’m SURE that’s NOT what Calvin had in mind!’ and changed the subject. I was always a troublemaker, I guess, and now I’m a FReeper. (and a CHRISTIAN!)LOL!

Happy New Year, FRiend, and thank you for your service!
:-)


23 posted on 01/04/2013 12:22:43 PM PST by left that other site (Worry is the Darkroom that Develops Negatives.)
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To: xzins
Whew! For a moment there I only saw ONE test.

Interesting list. With arguably the exception of #3 none of them are work based related. If one goes to the website MacArthur points out how even #3 is that we want to be obedient because of our gratitute for what Christ has done.

It's all about a relationship, not works.

24 posted on 01/04/2013 12:29:54 PM PST by HarleyD
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To: left that other site
But we must be very careful, in going through a “Checklist” that we do not succumb to legalism

Or that we make "not going through a checklist" into a legalism.

However, this article is about each of us examining the authenticity of our OWN salvation. John says that those who are His have fellowship with Him.

25 posted on 01/04/2013 12:33:28 PM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True supporters of our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: xzins

“Otherwise, I’d have to ditch half the family.”

Wait a minute, just wait a minute. There are only 11 statements. I don’t see anything there about having to love one’s family. You can’t just change testing to suit a personal cross. Next thing you’ll be requiring is that we have to love Presbyterians or worse, Episcopalians.


26 posted on 01/04/2013 12:34:29 PM PST by blue-duncan
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To: job
A lot of Calvinists want to argue that it is more complicated than that... but that hardly squares with Jesus stating that unless you have the faith of a child

I'm a Calvinist. I became a Calvinist about 5 years ago. What I have learned is that God is VERY, VERY GOOD and I am VERY, VERY EVIL. It's not much more complicated than that.

27 posted on 01/04/2013 12:37:00 PM PST by HarleyD
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To: blue-duncan

Presbyterians, yes, but Episcopalians require a special dispensation.

And incense.


28 posted on 01/04/2013 12:43:45 PM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True supporters of our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: Scrambler Bob; metmom; mitch5501; CynicalBear; boatbums
"Being CONFIDENT of this very thing, that HE WHICH HATH BEGUN A GOOD WORK IN YOU WILL PERFORM IT UNTIL THE DAY OF JESUS CHRIST." Philippians 1:6.

There is no check list to check over. It is the Holy Spirit working in us and through us believers until the day Christ comes for us. Everything else that needs to be "checked off some list" are WORKS, performed by man to pat himself on the back with and once again FEEL worthy of God's acceptance.

29 posted on 01/04/2013 12:54:05 PM PST by smvoice (Better Buck up, Buttercup. The wailing and gnashing are for an eternity..)
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To: xzins
“Presbyterians, yes”

Alright, maybe the Presbyterians, but they have to be single malt, pre-trib, Presbyterians; no blended, mid-trib, post-trib or amills. They steal your libations and start endless fights.

30 posted on 01/04/2013 12:56:42 PM PST by blue-duncan
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To: HarleyD; P-Marlowe
I'm a Calvinist. I became a Calvinist about 5 years ago.

Longer than 5 years...right?? Weren't you part of the Calvin Wars, the GRPL and all that here on FR? That was every bit of 5 years and some.

31 posted on 01/04/2013 1:00:21 PM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True supporters of our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: blue-duncan

Nor any preterist Presbyterians.

After all, the pre and the ter are both already in the name.

PREsbyTERians.

I might consider presbyteriist.


32 posted on 01/04/2013 1:03:24 PM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True supporters of our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: xzins; P-Marlowe; Dr. Eckleburg; drstevej

Hmmmmm...that’s a good question. You might be right. I went back to my home page and noticed that I started on FR in 2003. I remember my “conversion” :O) with Dr. E and Dr. SteveJ but I can’t quite recall when I embraced the TULIP. As far as the Calvin Wars, that seems to have been going on forever. Was there ever a time when that didn’t take place?

10 years here?!? Thanks for reminding me how old I’m getting. :O)


33 posted on 01/04/2013 1:10:52 PM PST by HarleyD
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To: Scrambler Bob

You hit that one spot on! Well done!


34 posted on 01/04/2013 1:14:48 PM PST by CynicalBear
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To: HarleyD
10 years here?!? Thanks for reminding me how old I’m getting. :O)

I meant to point out how old you've been looking lately.

:>)

35 posted on 01/04/2013 1:15:03 PM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True supporters of our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: xzins

I used to have hair....


36 posted on 01/04/2013 1:22:46 PM PST by HarleyD
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To: Scrambler Bob
I have to continue to believe God is saving me as I appear as lazy, or even good. Especially when I am judged by others, or by even myself. (Sometimes the face I see in the mirror is not a nice guy.) Now, even as I type, I want to repent of my view of myself, and look at myself with the Forgiveness and Love of God.

Let me take just a slight bit of issue with the "even myself" part.

Paul says in 2 Co 13: 4 For to be sure, he was crucified in weakness, yet he lives by God's power. Likewise, we are weak in him, yet by God's power we will live with him to serve you. 5 Examine yourselves to see whether you are in the faith; test yourselves. Do you not realize that Christ Jesus is in you--unless, of course, you fail the test?

37 posted on 01/04/2013 1:27:47 PM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True supporters of our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: xzins
Thanks for posting this. Looks to be a great series.

If you're going to ping this out, please add my name to the list.

While various excesses and heightened emotional experiences were common, scores of people didn't demonstrate any evidence in their lives to verify their claim to know and love Jesus Christ, which led critics to attack the Great Awakening, contending it was nothing but a big emotional bath without any true conversions.

This still seems to be the case in many groups I've encountered and in some churches and denominations as well.

This is a weakness of televangelists. There is lots of show but there's no way to determine if what happens is of God because there's no follow up.

38 posted on 01/04/2013 1:28:16 PM PST by metmom ( For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: job; xzins

I’m thinking, after reading these posts, that many people are confused about the purpose of this thread and series.

It’s not about how to get saved, which IS very simple, but about examining the evidence of salvation.


39 posted on 01/04/2013 1:32:10 PM PST by metmom ( For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: HarleyD

I used to have eyesight....

(Was on amazon looking for reading glasses in an aluminum tube so I can carry them around in my pocket. Was filling my chainsaw with gas this morning, and was better able to hear that it was nearly full than see that it was nearly full. “I don’t want to hear Wales dead... I want to SEE Wales dead.”.)


40 posted on 01/04/2013 1:32:42 PM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True supporters of our troops pray for their victory!)
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