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Some might recall Rob Bell's book "Love Wins"...he was the pastor of Mars Hill Church in Michigan. The book apparently taught the heretical belief in "Universalism"...that everyone is delivered from eternal punishment.

Rob Bell left Mars Hill, and Mark Driscoll is now the pastor there. He seems to repudiate Bell's teaching in this column.

1 posted on 01/04/2013 8:17:16 PM PST by SoFloFreeper
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To: SoFloFreeper

No one was created by God to endure unendurable agony in Hell for all eternity. The idea is a smear on the character of our Loving God.

Go ahead and dump 50 random Bible verses on me. You are just wrong.


2 posted on 01/04/2013 8:23:55 PM PST by DManA
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To: SoFloFreeper; a fool in paradise

7 posted on 01/04/2013 8:34:50 PM PST by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious!)
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To: SoFloFreeper

“Hell is other people.”


8 posted on 01/04/2013 8:36:18 PM PST by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious!)
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To: SoFloFreeper

I’m a huge Mark Driscoll fan. He’s at the Mars Hill in Seattle, though, not Michigan. I was out there last spring in his church on Palm Sunday.


10 posted on 01/04/2013 8:40:23 PM PST by HokieMom (Pacepa : Can the U.S. afford a president who can't recognize anti-Americanism?)
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To: SoFloFreeper

Mark Driscoll and Rob Bell’s Mars Hill Churches are totally unrealated.


12 posted on 01/04/2013 8:42:11 PM PST by Blogger
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To: SoFloFreeper

Actually, you are only partly correct. Driscoll is a pastor at a church in Seattle called Mars Hill, not the one Bell led and left in Michigan.


13 posted on 01/04/2013 8:48:40 PM PST by jettester (I got paid to break 'em - not fly 'em)
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To: SoFloFreeper
Matt. 19

[21] Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me.

[22] But when the young man heard that saying, he went away sorrowful: for he had great possessions.

[23] Then said Jesus unto his disciples, Verily I say unto you, That a rich man shall hardly enter into the kingdom of heaven.

[24] And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.

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I'm curious as to how you all went about about selling your possessions and giving it to the poor.

Was there a service which assisted you with that? Did you need an attorney to handle the paperwork? What were your taxes?

28 posted on 01/04/2013 10:12:50 PM PST by Ken H
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To: SoFloFreeper
Rob Bell left Mars Hill, and Mark Driscoll is now the pastor there.

Different Mars Hill. Same name, different parts of the country.

40 posted on 01/05/2013 7:45:20 AM PST by Lee N. Field ("You keep using that verse, but I do not think it means what you think it means." --I. Montoya)
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To: SoFloFreeper

I have thought of hell from this angle.

1) When David sinned against Uriah, he in fact confessed “against thee only have I sinned”.

2) God requires punishment to be proportional to the offense. “An eye for an eye.

3) God is perfect in glory, majesty... this is what trips up soul death arguments, a low view of God.

4) If we reject Christ’s perfect punishment for our sins, we are stuck with trying to atone with our very imperfect punishment. How long will it take? We never finish trying to pay. How bad will it be? You don’t want to know.


41 posted on 01/05/2013 8:39:24 AM PST by kingcanuteus
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To: SoFloFreeper

God rules as God rules. I’m satisfied with that.


48 posted on 01/05/2013 9:31:18 AM PST by onedoug
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To: SoFloFreeper
Every once in a while, someone of note questions or denies the classic Christian belief of a literal hell with eternal, conscious suffering. Then a debate rages and becomes personal between representatives of various perspectives on the issue...

Like our president (who's scampaign website claimed was a LIFELONG Christian).

2004 Interview: Obama Talks about Jesus, Heaven and Sin (June 3, 2008 CBN)

GG: Who’s Jesus to you?

OBAMA: Right. Jesus is a historical figure for me, and he’s also a bridge between God and man, in the Christian faith, and one that I think is powerful precisely because he serves as that means of us reaching something higher. And he’s also a wonderful teacher. I think it’s important for all of us, of whatever faith, to have teachers in the flesh and also teachers in history.

GG: The conversation stopper, when you say you’re a Christian and leave it at that.

OBAMA: Where do you move forward with that? This is something that I’m sure I’d have serious debates with my fellow Christians about. I think that the difficult thing about any religion, including Christianity, is that at some level there is a call to evangelize and prostelytize. There’s the belief, certainly in some quarters, that people haven’t embraced Jesus Christ as their personal savior that they're going to hell.

GG: You don’t believe that?

OBAMA: I find it hard to believe that my God would consign four-fifths of the world to hell. I can’t imagine that my God would allow some little Hindu kid in India who never interacts with the Christian faith to somehow burn for all eternity. That’s just not part of my religious makeup...

GG: Do you believe in heaven?

OBAMA: Do I believe in the harps and clouds and wings?

GG: A place spiritually you go to after you die?

OBAMA: What I believe in is that if I live my life as well as I can, that I will be rewarded. I don’t presume to have knowledge of what happens after I die. But I feel very strongly that whether the reward is in the here and now or in the hereafter, the aligning myself to my faith and my values is a good thing.

When I tuck in my daughters at night and I feel like I’ve been a good father to them, and I see in them that I am transferring values that I got from my mother and that they’re kind people and that they’re honest people, and they’re curious people, that’s a little piece of heaven.

GG: Do you believe in sin?

OBAMA: Yes.

GG: What is sin?

OBAMA: Being out of alignment with my values.

GG: What happens if you have sin in your life?

OBAMA: I think it’s the same thing as the question about heaven. In the same way that if I’m true to myself and my faith that that is its own reward, when I’m not true to it, it’s its own punishment.


52 posted on 01/05/2013 12:32:14 PM PST by a fool in paradise (America 2013 - STUCK ON STUPID)
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