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To: DManA

God gave man Free Will. It is our choice to reject Him. Without that “choice” we are not created in God’s Image.

You are basically saying that God is not “Just”. That is an impossibility, as all Christian Theologians have proven—if anything—that if there is a “God”, He must be Just. It is incomprehensible to think God could be Unjust-—then, you are thinking of paganism and their type of gods. It would be unjust to not punish evil-doers.


14 posted on 01/04/2013 8:55:52 PM PST by savagesusie (Right Reason According to Nature = Just Law)
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To: savagesusie

I am basically saying that death is death. Eternal agony is eternal life.


15 posted on 01/04/2013 8:58:20 PM PST by DManA
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To: savagesusie

Yes. I am saying eternal agony is not just. And since I believe God is just, as the Bible teaches, Hell is a myth.


27 posted on 01/04/2013 9:56:46 PM PST by DManA
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To: savagesusie

You posted, in part:You are basically saying that God is not “Just”. That is an impossibility, as all Christian Theologians have proven—if anything—that if there is a “God”, He must be Just.
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Forgive me, but the very nature of faith (a gift of God, Ephesians 2:8) is that what is believed by faith cannot be proven. If the existence, much less the just nature, of God could be proven, it likely would have been proven by now. It has not. It is a matter of faith (a faith I happen to have).

I believe in a just God. I am not convinced I understand all of what God understands is meant by “just”. There are things about the nature of God that I don’t know and probably can’t know, being human. I can live with that.

As for whether there is a hell, and what the nature of hell might be, I don’t know. Frankly, I prefer to emphasize the other end of the spectrum, eternal life with God. If I am trying to spread the Good News of Christ (as opposed to the Bad News of Hell), and I am, then I will focus on that Good News, that Christ died for us and if we believe in Him, we have eternal life.

As for justice, I think of the parable of the workers in the vineyard. Some came to work early and were promised a certain wage. Others, invited by the owner of the vineyard, joined the original workers later. Still others came even later. Some even came near the end of the work day. The vineyard owner paid the last first, and gave them the amount that was agreed to by the first workers. Those who came first thought they would get even more, and were disappointed and angry when they got the same amount as the last to arrive— as agreed.

The owner of the vineyard told them that they got what they agreed to, and if the owner wanted to give the same to the last to work, that was his business, not theirs.

Could God’s justice be similar? Might He offer salvation to those who “arrive to work” very late— maybe even after death? It might not seem fair to those of us who believe now (but that is a whole new discussion), but perhaps we don’t know God’s justice as well as we think. When does the opportunity to believe in God’s salvation through Christ end? I can’t say. Who can? Only God.


35 posted on 01/05/2013 3:57:31 AM PST by NCLaw441
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