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11 Biblical Tests of Genuine Salvation: Test #3 - Do You Obey God's Word?
SO4J ^ | John MacArthur

Posted on 01/07/2013 6:02:58 AM PST by xzins

11 Biblical Tests of Genuine Salvation: Test #3 - Do you Obey the Scriptures?

SO4J ^ | John MacArthur

Posted on 01/05/2013 7:35:55 AM PST by xzins

Test #1 of Series: 11 Biblical Tests of Genuine Salvation: Test #1 - Do you enjoy Fellowship with God and Christ?

Test #2 of Series: 11 Biblical Tests of Genuine Salvation: Test #2 - Are you Sensitive to Sin in your Life?

Is It Real? 11 Biblical Tests of Genuine Salvation by John MacArthur - 11 Questions to help one see if they are Biblically Saved. Helps to Examine Their Faith with God's Word (2 Cor 13:5) to see if one is Biblically Saved. How Can I Know I Am Saved

Test #3 - 11 Biblical Tests of Genuine Salvation: Do you Obey the Scriptures?

1 John 2:3 couldn't be clearer: "By this we know that we have come to know Him, if we keep His commandments." If you want to know whether you're a true Christian, ask yourself whether you obey the commandments of Scripture. That's how Jesus described a true disciple when giving His Great Commission to go into all the world and make disciples (Matt 28:20). Obedience to the commands of God produces assurance--the confidence of knowing for sure "that we have come to know Him." The Greek word translated "keep" in verse 3 speaks of watchful, careful, thoughtful obedience. It involves not only the act of obedience, but also the spirit of obedience--a willing, habitual safeguarding of the Word, not just in letter but in spirit. That's supported by the word translated "commandments," which refers specifically to the precepts of Christ rather than laws in general. Legal obedience demands perfection or penalty, whereas 1 John 2:3 is a call to gracious obedience because of the penalty Christ has already paid.

Verse 4 presents a logical contrast: "The one who says, 'I have come to know Him,' and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him." That person is making a false claim. "But whoever keeps His Word, in him the love of God has truly been perfected" (v. 5). How can you determine if you are a true Christian? Not by sentiment but by obedience.

If you desire to obey the Word out of gratitude for all Christ has done for you, and if you see that desire producing an overall pattern of obedience, you have passed an important test indicating the presence of saving faith.


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1 posted on 01/07/2013 6:03:09 AM PST by xzins
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If you desire to obey the Word out of gratitude for all Christ has done for you, and if you see that desire producing an overall pattern of obedience,

Obedience is not to "obtain" salvation, but is gratitude FOR salvation received AND meaningful participation in the mission He has set before us.

Jesus' commandments are not grievous.

Matthew 28:19 "19 Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20 and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. "

Jesus said: John 13:34 "A new command I give you: Love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another.

2 posted on 01/07/2013 6:11:58 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True supporters of our troops pray for their victory!)
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Rom 7:14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.
Rom 7:15 For that which I do I know not: for not what I would, that do I practise; but what I hate, that I do.
Rom 7:16 But if what I would not, that I do, I consent unto the law that it is good.
Rom 7:17 So now it is no more I that do it, but sin which dwelleth in me.
Rom 7:18 For I know that in me, that is, in my flesh, dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me, but to do that which is good is not.
Rom 7:19 For the good which I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I practise.
Rom 7:20 But if what I would not, that I do, it is no more I that do it, but sin which dwelleth in me.
Rom 7:21 I find then the law, that, to me who would do good, evil is present.
Rom 7:22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:
Rom 7:23 but I see a different law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity under the law of sin which is in my members.
Rom 7:24 O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me out of the body of this death?

Rom 7:25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then I myself with the mind serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.

IMHO...As Paul lamented...we cannot live sinless lives. If we could - there would be no reason for the sacrifice on the cross.

3 posted on 01/07/2013 6:25:10 AM PST by wesagain (The God (Elohim) of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is the One True GOD.)
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John 14: 15 "If you love me, you will obey what I command. 16 And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another Counselor to be with you forever-- 17 the Spirit of truth. The world cannot accept him, because it neither sees him nor knows him. But you know him, for he lives with you and will be in you. 18 I will not leave you as orphans; I will come to you. 19 Before long, the world will not see me anymore, but you will see me. Because I live, you also will live. 20 On that day you will realize that I am in my Father, and you are in me, and I am in you. 21 Whoever has my commands and obeys them, he is the one who loves me. He who loves me will be loved by my Father, and I too will love him and show myself to him." 22 Then Judas (not Judas Iscariot) said, "But, Lord, why do you intend to show yourself to us and not to the world?" 23 Jesus replied, "If anyone loves me, he will obey my teaching. My Father will love him, and we will come to him and make our home with him. 24 He who does not love me will not obey my teaching. These words you hear are not my own; they belong to the Father who sent me.
4 posted on 01/07/2013 6:32:35 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True supporters of our troops pray for their victory!)
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Ephesians 2

8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

The only necessary proof of salvation is 100% faith in Christ.

The presence of good works in one’s life is not sufficient or necessary proof. The absence of sin is not necessary proof.


5 posted on 01/07/2013 6:33:06 AM PST by fishtank (The denial of original sin is the root of liberalism.)
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This is very timely. Thank you, xzins.


6 posted on 01/07/2013 6:36:31 AM PST by KGeorge
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Love God with all your heart and soul and stregnth and live as you please.


7 posted on 01/07/2013 6:36:43 AM PST by John 3_19-21 (We need a Saviour)
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Ephesians 2

8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

The only necessary proof of salvation is 100% faith in Christ.

The presence of good works in one’s life is not sufficient or necessary proof. The absence of sin is not necessary proof.


8 posted on 01/07/2013 6:37:13 AM PST by fishtank (The denial of original sin is the root of liberalism.)
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To: fishtank

See each of the previous threads that are part of the series.

Also, see post #4, this thread.

Obedience to Christ for a Christian is not about earning salvation; it is about loving Christ our God and being joyful to follow Him. Since they are already Christian, it obviously isn’t about obtaining salvation.

However, what does it mean is you delight in NOT following His instruction or in being apathetic about His instructions?

Paul says to examine ourselves to see if our faith is genuine. Disobedience to Christ should concern us. It should cause us either to repent/confess, or perhaps to wonder at the genuineness of our faith (2 Co 13:5)


9 posted on 01/07/2013 6:38:14 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True supporters of our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: fishtank

See each of the previous threads that are part of the series.

Also, see post #4, this thread.

Obedience to Christ for a Christian is not about earning salvation; it is about loving Christ our God and being joyful to follow Him. Since they are already Christian, it obviously isn’t about obtaining salvation.

However, what does it mean if you delight in NOT following His instruction or in being apathetic about His instructions?

Paul says to examine ourselves to see if our faith is genuine. Disobedience to Christ should concern us. It should cause us either to repent/confess, or perhaps to wonder at the genuineness of our faith (2 Co 13:5)


10 posted on 01/07/2013 6:38:27 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True supporters of our troops pray for their victory!)
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You are welcome. Thank you for your kind words.


11 posted on 01/07/2013 6:40:18 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True supporters of our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: John 3_19-21
Love God with all your heart and soul and stregnth and live as you please.

Provided one means it and isn't using the words as some kind of intellectual dodge.

12 posted on 01/07/2013 6:41:57 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True supporters of our troops pray for their victory!)
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How do you know you passed?

Nothing we can do will ever bridge the gap between the flesh and perfection. If we could enter heaven with works there would be no need for salvation.

These man made tests do nothing other than highlight our deficiency. If I were searching for a faith and saw the above requirements I would have to pass.

Jesus IS our salvation.


13 posted on 01/07/2013 6:42:31 AM PST by PJammers (I can't help it... It's my idiom!)
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These man made tests do nothing

The Apostle Paul said, "2 Cor 13:5 (NASB) "TEST YOURSELVES to see if you are IN the FAITH; EXAMINE YOURSELVES! Or do you NOT recognize this about yourselves, that JESUS CHRIST is in you—unless indeed you FAIL the TEST?" "

If we believe Paul inspired by God in the writing of 2 Corinthians, then we don't consider his words "man made".

14 posted on 01/07/2013 6:44:55 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True supporters of our troops pray for their victory!)
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Test #3 - Do You Obey God's Word?

Many people who call themselves believers fail this test. Yes we are saved by faith but our works prove our faith. If we do not follow God's word and have good works (i.e. good fruit) then are we really God's followers? Such was the fig tree Jesus cursed. Many people overemphasize "faith" apart from works but forget that the Biblical Hebrew notion of real faith meant believeing and doing, not just "believing".

15 posted on 01/07/2013 6:49:25 AM PST by DeoVindiceSicSemperTyrannis
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Galatians 2:20 I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ lives in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.

Deuteronomy 6:16 You shall not test the Lord your God as you did as Massah

Matthew 4:7 You shall not put the Lord your God to the test.
16 posted on 01/07/2013 6:55:36 AM PST by John 3_19-21 (We need a Saviour)
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It is important to remember that we seek to have genuine faith and not to supplant the requirement of faith or overthrow the importance of faith. It's also important to remember that the same bible that tells us to visit widows and orphans also tells us to love one another and many more things. "Romans 1:17 For in the gospel a righteousness from God is revealed, a righteousness that is by faith from first to last, just as it is written: "The righteous will live by faith." "Romans 14:23 and everything that does not come from faith is sin."
17 posted on 01/07/2013 7:06:41 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True supporters of our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: John 3_19-21
The same Paul you quote from Galatians wrote: 2 Cor 13:5 (NASB) "TEST YOURSELVES to see if you are IN the FAITH; EXAMINE YOURSELVES! Or do you NOT recognize this about yourselves, that JESUS CHRIST is in you—unless indeed you FAIL the TEST?"

He does not ask us to "test God", but to test ourselves to determine if our faith is authentic.

Apparently, Paul wasn't impressed with fake faith.

18 posted on 01/07/2013 7:09:45 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True supporters of our troops pray for their victory!)
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It's a "cart and a horse" thing.

The Pharisies used the Law and or visible performance or non-performance of the Law to exault themselves and in effect, turn the Hebrew people away from a loving relationship with God.

Too many of today's religious leaders would rather control thier congregations with doctrine and "tests" than simply share the Word, and let the Holy Spirit guide.
19 posted on 01/07/2013 7:14:10 AM PST by John 3_19-21 (We need a Saviour)
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To: John 3_19-21

Nonetheless, Paul wrote what he wrote. He doesn’t ask your pastor or religious leader to examine you; he instructs YOU to examine YOU to test to see if your faith is genuine.

Using the Word of God as a measure by which to conduct that test makes much more sense than either (1) ignoring Paul’s instruction and pretending it isn’t in the Bible, or (2) devising one’s own personal little test that is not connected to the Word of God.


20 posted on 01/07/2013 7:23:19 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True supporters of our troops pray for their victory!)
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