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Arguments begin in case of minister accused of ‘crimes against humanity’ for homosexuality remarks
lsn ^ | 1.8.2013 | Kirsten Andersen

Posted on 01/08/2013 11:51:43 AM PST by Morgana

Lawyers for a Massachusetts pastor have asked a federal judge to dismiss a lawsuit filed against him by a foreign homosexual advocacy group accusing him of “crimes against humanity.”

During a 90-minute hearing on Monday in U.S. District Court, Judge Michael Ponsor said the lawsuit filed by Sexual Minorities Uganda (SMUG) against Springfield-based minister Scott Lively poses a test of free-speech protection and the rights of sexual minorities to equal protection under the law.

Ponsor heard arguments from lawyers representing both Lively and SMUG. SMUG, represented in court by the George Soros-funded “Center for Constitutional Rights (CCR),” accused Lively of “violating the law of nations” and “crimes against humanity” as well as conspiracy and various “civil rights” crimes because of his outspokenness against the homosexual agenda in Uganda. In their filing, they listed a number of violent acts committed against homosexuals in Uganda that they claim Lively’s speeches against homosexuality incited.

The suit demands compensatory damages, punitive damages, exemplary damages, attorneys’ fees, and a “declaratory judgment that the Defendant’s conduct is in violation of the law of nations” as well as “all such other and further relief that the court may deem just and proper.”

Judge Ponsor said he was troubled by the lack of connection between local evangelist Scott Lively’s free speech activities in Uganda and acts of violence against gays in the African country.

“I’m frankly struggling to see what behavior beyond expressive behavior” of Lively violated federal law, Ponsor said. SMUG, Ponsor added, “needed to show a more concrete example of misbehavior to justify continuation of the lawsuit.”

Lively’s lawyers asked Judge Ponsor to throw out the case, pointing out that the violent acts detailed in the lawsuit had no connection to Lively whatsoever. They said SMUG is trying to block “peaceful civil discourse” and violate Lively’s First Amendment rights.

But Judge Ponsor said he was reluctant to dismiss the case before trial, saying that the courts have set a high legal bar for throwing cases out. He said he would rule on the motion to dismiss in the near future, but gave no date.

SMUG brought its lawsuit in U.S. Court under the Alien Tort Statute (ATS), a federal provision that allows federal courts jurisdiction to hear lawsuits filed by non-U.S. citizens for torts committed in violation of international law.

When the ATS was enacted in 1789, international law dealt primarily with regulating diplomatic relations between States and outlawing crimes such as piracy. But in the late 20th century, as more foreign governments passed binding international laws, activists began using the ATS to file international complaints in U.S. Court. SMUG’s filing is believed to be the first of its kind dealing with homosexuality.


TOPICS: General Discusssion
KEYWORDS: alientortstatute; ats; ccr; crimesagahumanity; frivolouslawsuit; homosexualagenda; minister; ministersued; pastorsued; piracy; scottlively; smug; soros

1 posted on 01/08/2013 11:51:49 AM PST by Morgana
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To: Morgana

“Sexual minorities,” the new code word for perverts, same-sex child rapists, and sex offenders?? Is that how it works?


2 posted on 01/08/2013 11:53:59 AM PST by Neoliberalnot (Marxism works well only with the uneducated and the unarmed.)
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To: Morgana

the scary and pathetic thing is this nonsense wasn’t tossed out of court in 90 seconds.


3 posted on 01/08/2013 11:59:19 AM PST by wny
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To: Morgana

It seems to me that SMUG (snicker) would have to demonstrate that there were never acts of violence against homosexuals in Uganda before Mr. Lively spoke there. Only then would it be at all reasonable that his speeches influenced perpetrators of violence.


4 posted on 01/08/2013 12:01:00 PM PST by Tax-chick (Please explain how my being in a fuss would help the situation.)
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To: Morgana
Will pedophiles sue because I post pictures of their practitioners like this?


5 posted on 01/08/2013 12:02:34 PM PST by Uncle Miltie (The shooter in CT was a Satanist. Curtail Satanists' First Amendment Rights for the Children!)
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To: Neoliberalnot

As a Monogamous man married for going on 50 years I feel I belong to a sexual minority.

Perversion, abortion ,free condoms,and sexual activities of all kinds are becoming the majority.


6 posted on 01/08/2013 12:29:43 PM PST by Venturer
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To: Morgana
Arguments begin in case of minister accused of ‘crimes against humanity’ for homosexuality remarks

WTF? So we're Sweden now? Greaaaaaaat.

7 posted on 01/08/2013 12:37:33 PM PST by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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To: Morgana
But Judge Ponsor said he was reluctant to dismiss the case before trial, saying that the courts have set a high legal bar for throwing cases out.

Maybe the Courts have, but the Constitution is pretty clear in the 1st amendment, if the judge has ever bothered to read it.

Madness.

8 posted on 01/08/2013 12:38:09 PM PST by itsahoot (Any enemy, that is allowed to have a King's X line, is undefeatable. (USS Taluga AO-62))
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To: Neoliberalnot
“Sexual minorities,” the new code word for perverts, same-sex child rapists, and sex offenders?? Is that how it works?

Apparently, that's exactly how it works. The left has systematically done just that. I just ordered the dvd for this movie, and that's pretty much the theme. Check out the trailer at the link. I will provide my thoughts after I get a chance to watch it.

http://agendadocumentary.com/

9 posted on 01/08/2013 12:42:13 PM PST by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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To: Venturer

We are simply in the midst of a decline in civilization.


10 posted on 01/08/2013 1:24:00 PM PST by Neoliberalnot (Marxism works well only with the uneducated and the unarmed.)
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To: Puppage

Excellent movie trailer. The questions is asked? Is the left ignorant or evil?


11 posted on 01/08/2013 1:33:48 PM PST by Neoliberalnot (Marxism works well only with the uneducated and the unarmed.)
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To: Neoliberalnot
The question is asked? Is the left ignorant or evil?

Ha! I think we know the answer to that.

12 posted on 01/08/2013 1:41:33 PM PST by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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To: Morgana

This Catholic supports the pastor — he has committed no crime.


13 posted on 01/09/2013 5:01:21 AM PST by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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To: Puppage; Neoliberalnot

I’ve seen the film and highly recommend it. The blurb on the trailer page reads: “AGENDA is the most powerful expose’ of the communist, socialist, progressive attempt to take over America produced so far.” That statement is slightly inaccurate; the word “attempt” should be changed to “campaign,” and is very near to success.

Scott Lively is co-author of “Pink Swastika; homosexuality in the Nazi party, also recommended.


14 posted on 01/09/2013 7:37:46 PM PST by Daffy
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