Posted on 01/09/2013 7:56:48 AM PST by greyfoxx39
It’s not disdain there just aren’t that many non- Christians on FR.
It’s not disdain there just aren’t that many non- Christians on FR.
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Why not show us in the KJV or even NIV Bibles where that info is, do not use JS LDS Bible please.
Thanks.
I don't believe that but I do believe Christ told us that He preached to those who had died prior to His Crucifixion between the time He died in the flesh and arose in a new glorified body.
Now, given the fact that both Christ and the afterlife we will all experience is outside of time as we experience and understand it, I feel sure Jesus Christ Himself made preached Christ and Him crucified to all those who had died without any knowledge of Him prior to His coming.
Adding to Scripture rather than seeing what can be understood by sticking to examples in Scripture never leads to the Truth and adding to or subtracting from the Scripture always leads to destruction and damnation. Christ as The Word made it clear in many places that there is no time and no space to God.
Therefore Christ Himself preaching to those who were in between heaven and hell until His crucifixion would be more than enough "time" for everyone who ever lived up to that point in our time to hear and either accept or refuse His Grace.
Discuss the issues all you want, but do not make it personal.
Not really sure I follow that logic. But we do know there are at least two non Christians on this thread..
You say I have disdain for Christians. That’s not true. I have never said anything bad or good about anyone’s beliefs or about any religion.
I find it interesting when people get into discussions about religion and I comment on them. It just so happens that the majority of religious discussions are about differing Christian beliefs.
Well, kids; if ya gonna be a missionary; ya gotta get TRAINED!!
By a False Prophet like Joseph Smith, etal??
Boy!
Are YOU deceived!
You must be a REALLY old coot by now!
(Remember the RULES???)
Evidently not: it's gone...
Prophets
Hotly
Divided?
"Now if any of you will deny the plurality of wives, and continue to do so, I promise that you will be damned;
and I will go still further and say, take this revelation, or any other revelation that the Lord has given,
and deny it in your feelings, and I promise that you will be damned.
Brigham Young - JoD 3:266 (July 14, 1855)
If you think JS and others are NOT false prophets; then why were they predicted in the Bible? Huh??
But why NOT?
The ERRORS of the KJV has been erased by GOD in it!
Color coding explanation:
Added stuff... Changed stuff... Rearranged stuff... Removed stuff...
*(UNDERLINED stuff is the DISTRACTING reference on every tenth word or so that infuses LDS 'scripture' online.)
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If Joseph Smith corrected the errors of the KJV of the bible; just like GOD directed him to do; then WHY doesn't the SLC ruling class consider it to be SCRIPTURE?
Too bad, I was looking for some fun-filled piling on of unbridled righteousness.
Here is how IT was 'translated'!!!
"Now the way he translated was he put the urim and thummim into his hat and Darkned his Eyes than he would take a sentance and it would apper in Brite Roman Letters. Then he would tell the writer and he would write it. Then that would go away the next sentance would Come and so on. But if it was not Spelt rite it would not go away till it was rite, so we see it was marvelous. Thus was the hol [whole] translated."---Joseph Knight's journal.
"In writing for your father I frequently wrote day after day, often sitting at the table close by him, he sitting with his face buried in his hat, with the stone in it, and dictating hour after hour with nothing between us."
(History of the RLDS Church, 8 vols.(Independence, Missouri: Herald House,1951),"Last Testimony of Sister Emma [Smith Bidamon]," 3:356.
"I, as well as all of my father's family, Smith's wife, Oliver Cowdery and Martin Harris, were present during the translation. . . . He [Joseph Smith] did not use the plates in translation."
---(David Whitmer,as published in the "Kansas City Journal," June 5, 1881,and reprinted in the RLDS "Journal of History", vol. 8, (1910), pp. 299-300.
In an 1885 interview, Zenas H. Gurley, then the editor of the RLDS Saints Herald, asked Whitmer if Joseph had used his "Peep stone" to do the translation. Whitmer replied:
"... he used a stone called a "Seers stone," the "Interpreters" having been taken away from him because of transgression. The "Interpreters" were taken from Joseph after he allowed Martin Harris to carry away the 116 pages of Ms [manuscript] of the Book of Mormon as a punishment, but he was allowed to go on and translate by use of a "Seers stone" which he had, and which he placed in a hat into which he buried his face, stating to me and others that the original character appeared upon parchment and under it the translation in English."
"Martin Harris related an incident that occurred during the time that he wrote that portion of the translation of the Book of Mormon which he was favored to write direct from the mouth of the Prophet Joseph Smith. He said that the Prophet possessed a seer stone, by which he was enabled to translate as well as from the Urim and Thummim, and for convenience he then used the seer stone, Martin explained the translation as follows: By aid of the seer stone, sentences would appear and were read by the Prophet and written by Martin and when finished he would say 'Written,' and if correctly written that sentence would disappear and another appear in its place, but if not written correctly it remained until corrected, so that the translation was just as it was engraven on the plates, precisely in the language then used."
(Edward Stevenson, "One of the Three Witnesses,"reprinted from Deseret News, 30 Nov. 1881in Millennial Star, 44 (6 Feb. 1882): 86-87.)
In 1879, Michael Morse, Emma Smith's brother-in-law, stated:"When Joseph was translating the Book of Mormon [I] had occasion more than once to go into his immediate presence, and saw him engaged at his work of translation. The mode of procedure consisted in Joseph's placing the Seer Stone in the crown of a hat, then putting his face into the hat, so as to entirely cover his face, resting his elbows upon his knees, and then dictating word after word, while the scribes Emma, John Whitmer, O. Cowdery, or some other wrote it down."
(W.W. Blair interview with Michael Morse,Saints Herald, vol. 26, no. 12June 15, 1879, pp. 190-91.)
Joseph Smith's brother William also testified to the "face in the hat" version:"The manner in which this was done was by looking into the Urim and Thummim, which was placed in a hat to exclude the light, (the plates lying near by covered up), and reading off the translation, which appeared in the stone by the power of God"("A New Witness for Christ in America,"Francis W. Kirkham, 2:417.)
"The manner in which he pretended to read and interpret was the same manner as when he looked for the money-diggers, with the stone in his hat, while the book of plates were at the same time hid in the woods."---Isaac Hale (Emma Smith's father's) affidavit, 1834.
Oh my heck. Looks like I broke all the rules. I did not tamper with my odometer though.
I'll see what I can do...
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