Posted on 01/09/2013 1:57:52 PM PST by fishtank
I checked out that web link and there were a lot of good points raised. But a couple of points didn’t sit well. The first one is that Cains offspring would be associated with the Canaanites, which I don’t think is correct. From what I gathered is that Cains offspring is actually the “Kenites”. There is a better spelling and I think the root word stemmed from “Qayin”. The “Kenites” are mentioned throughout scripture, even after the flood in the Old Testament, and I believe they even infiltrated the priest line, and scribes. They were even called out in the New Testament John 8:44, as being of their father satan. I also think they are the ones mentioned in Revelation chapter 2:9 and 3:9 as being the synagogue of satan. The “Kenites” (sp.?) are the ones I think we are truly up against because of that serpent seed line. They are always nipping at the heels of the children of Yah. Yet I do believe they have a chance to come to the Light also.
Now the other point I read at that link you gave raised the issue of “uncovering your fathers nakedness”. I don’t think it was a homosexual act, but actually Ham did sleep with his mother, Noah’s wife, and that’s when Canaan, Hams offspring became cursed, yet they are different than the offspring of Cain. Leviticus 18:8 and Leviticus 20:11 tell about what it means to “uncover your fathers nakedness”. It’s good to know that so many are keeping up with the research and study on all this. It’s almost like all the puzzle pieces are falling into place to help us understand the mystery of who is who, and why it is the way it is, and it will be just like in the days of Noah when this is all revealed. Remember the passages of Matthew 10:16 and on of what we are up against. Get the armor in Ephesians 6:11-17 on, and take comfort in Isaiah 54:17 and Romans 8:38-39. Wow, so many passages to share, and it feels like such little time ... smiles
The Bible states that God created everything in six days and on the seventh, He rested. God does not need a day of rest; He took a day of rest as an example for mankind to follow, for our own health. Genesis 1 summarizes this history and God says that what He created was good. Genesis 2 then provides some detail about the creation of mankind, through our first parents, Adam and Eve on day 6. Genesis 3 provides detail on the fall and the results of sin including a reference to Jesus’ ultimate triumph over Satan (Gen 3:15). Genesis 5 details the genealogy and ages of Adam’s progeny to Noah and Genesis 11 details the genealogy and ages from Shem to Abram (Abraham). Genesis 15:13 states that God told the Israelites will be in Egypt for 400 years, to the time of Moses and the Exodus. Exodus 12 states a 430 year period in Egypt, representing 215 years of freedom and then 215 of slavery until the Exodus. Other OT books provide dates for those that followed Moses, dates that are verifiable through non-Biblical sources confirming the Biblical timelines.
Many Jewish and early Christian scholars have attempted to calculate the age of the Earth. According to Wilipedia, among the Jewish scholars, the Seder Olam Rabbah, compiled by Jose ben Halafta in 160 AD, dates the creation of the world to 3751 BC while the later Seder Olam Zutta to 4339 BC. The Hebrew Calendar has traditionally, since the 4th century AD by Hillel II, dated the creation to 3761 BC. Early Christians, following the Septuagint, calculated creation at round 5500 BC. (Clement of Alexandria-5592 BC, Julius Africanus-5501 BC, Eusebius-5228 BC, Jerome-5199 BC, Hippolytus of Rome-5500 BC, Theophilus of Antioch-5529 BC, Sulpicius Severus-5469 BC, Isidore of Seville-5336 BC, Panodorus of Alexandria-5493 BC, Maximus the Confessor-5493 BC, George Syncellus-5492 BC and Gregory of Tours-5500 BC) In 203AD, the Venerable Bede dated creation to March 18, 3952 BC. For me, suffice to say that we live on a young earth.
Christianity is not like a buffet table, choosing only what you like and leaving the rest. In Canada, you see this with some mainline Protestant denominations, particularly the United Church of Canada, which was a strong proponent of the social gospel. Unfortunately, socialists and communists have gained control of this denomination and now preach the ‘socialist’ gospel to the point that a former Moderator (leader) of the church doubted the deity of Jesus. Also, the current Moderator is a sodomite, having lived with a same-sex ‘partner’, also a 'preacher' for 30 years! Since sodomite marriage became legal in Canada in 2005, that means that they have then been adulterous also, for the 23 years previous to that. Where is the UCC Asherah pole?
The Torah, the first five books of the Old Testament, were divinely inspired and written by Moses. In Jesus time, Genesis read as it does today. He claimed to have come to fulfill the Law and the Prophets. (Matt 5:17) If any part were incorrect, would He not have corrected it? I must therefore, presume a young earth.
Real science always confirms the Bible.
So does just looking around at what we have.
Hi there... I know we weren’t conversing but I wanted to ask you about Genesis 1:2.
And the earth (776) was (1961) without form (8414), and void (922); and darkness (2822) upon the face (6440) of the deep (8415).
What’s your opinion on that Strongs #1961 and its true meaning?
From what I gathered, it should be -— “became”, and not “was”.
Meaning: And the earth “became” without form, and void.
Meaning: That “eon” or “earth age” became without form and void, as if in a destruction of those things that were already in existence. Not the earths destruction, but all the inhabitants destroyed in that “eon/earth age”. Just curious if you see that possibility???
There is no time stamp give as to when this took place. Then Genesis 1:2 continues “And the earth *became* without form, and void; AND darkness was upon the face of the deep. (deep what?)
“And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the (what?) waters.”
Genesis 1:2 describes what happened to this earth when the serpent, that old dragon, the deceiver etc., rebelled. Scholarly works notwithstanding.
This earth existed before the ‘environmental’ clean-up began as described in Genesis 1:3.
Paul knew about this event of Genesis 1:2 as Paul used the specific word katabole in Ephesians 1:4 describing when the ‘saints’ were elected/chosen. Paul again uses it in Hebrews 4:3, Hebrews 9:26 and 11:11. Peter as well in IPeter 1:20 and John in Revelation 13:8, 17:8 and the corresponding verb is used in IICorinthians 4:9 and Hebrews 6:1 and Revelation 12:10 .
What can be dated fairly accurately is how long ago God began the environmental clean-up after God cast down Lucifer from his appointed position of anointed cherub that covereth. Ezekiel 29:12-26 and Isaiah 14:12-31
Lucifer is first called the tree of the knowledge of good and evil... Well up to the point of this title everything God created was said to be good. So the serpent's existence pre-dated the formation/creation of the flesh vessels to house the soul/spirit intellect, as did all souls/spirits. Just as Peter says there are three different heaven/earth ages and we are nearing the end of the second heaven/earth age.
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