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Pope attacks human rights culture
The Guardian ^ | 1-7-13 | John Bingham

Posted on 01/13/2013 5:20:29 PM PST by ReformationFan

Far from protecting hard-fought freedoms, modern human rights culture is being used to suppress liberty of conscience and restrain Christianity, he said.

In one of his biggest addresses of the year, Benedict XVI said a false concept of human rights had gripped the western world.

As a result, he said, religion is being marginalised and symbols of faith, such as the cross, are being treated with growing hostility.

He also singled out how, he said, some charities and schools are limiting the freedom of Christians to practise or express their faith and spoke of the need for “conscientious objectors” who would defend faith and traditional morality.

The comments came in the Pope’s annual New Year address to ambassadors from 179 States as well as bodies such as the European Union represented at the Vatican.

It follows a Christmas address in which he singled out plans for gay marriage in several countries including the UK for criticism.

In a wide ranging address, he cited a string of conflicts around the world and spoke about the causes of the global financial crisis.

He said that world peace depended on an authentic interpretation of what human rights actually means.

“Peace in society is also put at risk by certain threats to religious liberty,” he said.

“It is a question sometimes of the marginalisation of religion in social life; sometimes of intolerance or even of violence towards individuals, symbols of religious identity and religious institutions.

“It even happens that believers, and Christians in particular, are prevented from contributing to the common good by their educational and charitable institutions.

“In order effectively to safeguard the exercise of religious liberty it is essential to respect the right of conscientious objection.”

(Excerpt) Read more at telegraph.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Catholic; Current Events; Religion & Culture; Religion & Politics
KEYWORDS: humanrights; humanrightsculture; pope; romancatholic
I think this quote is particularly accurate: “Rights are often confused with exaggerated manifestations of the autonomy of the individual, who becomes self-referential, no longer open to encounter with God and with others, and absorbed only in seeking to satisfy his or her own needs."
1 posted on 01/13/2013 5:20:36 PM PST by ReformationFan
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To: ReformationFan

The Pope and the Catholic Church are very right about a lot of things, but then the church goes off the rails and supports gun control, fights against immigration laws, opposess the death penalty, opposes just about every military operation that comes down the pike, pushes big government as a means of social justice, etc. In many ways, aside from abortion and the occasional excellent statement like this by the Pope, the Catholic Church is disturbingly far to the left.

I really wish the Catholic Church would figure out that the secular socialists are their enemy, not conservatives - but they just keep attacking the very people that would love to fight with them. Every time conservatives are about to line up with the Catholic Church, a bunch of Bishops in the church throw in on the side of the Democrats in the gun control fight. It’s incredibly frustrating.


2 posted on 01/13/2013 5:34:30 PM PST by Longbow1969
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To: ReformationFan

It comes from Catholic Theology, true, but this fundamental Christian idea is also embedded in the US Constitution—that our Natural Rights come from God.

All “Rights” that don’t originate with God — (Natural Law Theory) are not
rights understood by our Constitution. IOW, there is no “right” to kill another human being (abortion) nor is their a “right” to sodomize another person). Both are unnatural and an assault on Virtue—that which is necessary for Justice.

The US government is required to promote Justice-—as it’s chief meaning for existence. Without Justice, it is unconstitutional and We the People have a “Right” to dissolve it.

Much of the new pseudo “Rights” come from Marxist ideology (Feminism/Homosexualism/progressivism)-—radical egalitarianism which dehumanizes man—removes the male and female nature from human beings. Marxism/Socialism removes Natural Laws and reinserts irrational “rights” so they can remove Natural Rights from God, which promoting homosexual rights does for babies when they deny children’s their biological parent or when they deny children “life”.

This removal of Truth—about Human Nature (Marxism is the Big Lie)-—results in irrational “thinking” (all assumptions are based on Lies) which claim “Rights” for behaviors that deny Virtue which is the fundamental reason for any government-—to promote Justice—that Queen of Virtues (Anselm).


3 posted on 01/13/2013 5:41:39 PM PST by savagesusie (Right Reason According to Nature = Just Law)
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To: ReformationFan

4 posted on 01/13/2013 5:42:38 PM PST by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: ReformationFan

That was the money line, I agree.

The face I saw, on this “human rights” ploy was that of Hillary Clinton.
Now, why was that? She has used human rights to push and sponsor abortion around the world, and THAT is 85% of her job at State, under the guise of women and girls interests.

Of course Christians have let the heavy lifting slide also. Countless numbers of us schooled our own kids in public education, making for warm and fuzzy religious experience, or none at all, but not generally affecting our culture one whit.


5 posted on 01/13/2013 5:43:18 PM PST by RitaOK ( VIVA CHRISTO REY / Public education is the farm team for more Marxists coming.)
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To: ReformationFan

That was the money line, I agree.

The face I saw, on this “human rights” ploy was that of Hillary Clinton.
Now, why was that? She has used human rights to push and sponsor abortion around the world, and THAT is 85% of her job at State, under the guise of women and girls interests.

Of course Christians have let the heavy lifting slide also. Countless numbers of us schooled our own kids in public education, making for warm and fuzzy religious experience, or none at all, but not generally affecting our culture one whit.


6 posted on 01/13/2013 5:44:01 PM PST by RitaOK ( VIVA CHRISTO REY / Public education is the farm team for more Marxists coming.)
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To: Longbow1969

I believe you and the Holy Father cited correctly the Western Church. I agonize over the condition of the Catholic Church in the USA. It is shocking the socialist strain that runs through her, gets all the press and the first microphone. Depressing, but God, how I love her and will never leave her.


7 posted on 01/13/2013 5:52:17 PM PST by RitaOK ( VIVA CHRISTO REY / Public education is the farm team for more Marxists coming.)
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To: Longbow1969
We've got a big problem with our bishops here in the USA, especially as packaged and marketed by the USCCB. Best to ignore all their political gasbaggery, it's rarely strongly tied to doctrine, and often in contrast to doctrine.

Yeah, ignore it. Everybody else does. Tagline.

8 posted on 01/13/2013 6:02:23 PM PST by Mrs. Don-o (USCCB Delenda Est.)
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To: ReformationFan
The so-called "progressive" agenda has, for decades, sought to replace the founding concept of Creator-endowed individual rights, liberty and laws to protect them with their own false concept of imperfect persons in government assuming the role of the "Supreme Being."

The electorate must become educated to these competing ideas and rediscover America's Founding principles, which can enable them to recognize which are true ideas of liberty, and which are counterfeit ideas of tyranny. That is not easy.

In 2008, Michael Ledeen, on another subject altogether, wrote of the degree to which Americans have been "dumbed down" on some basic ideas underlying our freedom:

Ledeen said, "Our educational system has long since banished religion from its texts, and an amazing number of Americans are intellectually unprepared for a discussion in which religion is the central organizing principle."

In the Pope's speech in Germany a few years ago, he observed:

"A reason which is deaf to the divine and which relegates religion into the realm of subcultures is incapable of entering into the dialogue of cultures."

Ledeen put his finger on a problem that stifles meaningful dialogue and debate in America on a number of subjects--as is now exhibited in the discussion on the causes and solutions to acts of violence such as that in Newtown. Censors [disguised as "protectors" (the Radical Left's ACLU, NEA, education bureaucracies, etc., etc.)] have imposed their limited understanding of liberty upon generations of school children.

From America's founding to the 1950's, ideas derived from religious literature were included in textbooks, through the poetry and prose used to teach children to read and to identify with their world and their country.

Suddenly, those ideas began to disappear from textbooks, until now, faceless, mindless copy editors sit in cubicles in the nation's textbook publishing companies, instructed by their supervisors to remove mere words that refer to family, to the Divine, and to any of the ancient ideas that have sustained intelligent discourse for centuries.

Now, it is the ACLU which accuses middle Americans of "censorship" if they object to books, films, etc., that offend their sensibilities and undermine the character training of their young. Sadly, many of those books and films are themselves products of the minds that have been robbed of exposure to wisdom literature in the nation's schools and universities.

Back in 1876, a Black Minister and Ohio State Legislator, Rev. Benjamin W. Arnett, delivered the "Centennial Thanksgiving Sermon," celebrating the Declaration of Independence, at St. Paul A.M.E. Church in Urbana, Ohio. The Sermon can be read online at the American Memory Section of the LOC, in the African-American Collection. Below is a small excerpt from that Sermon's conclusion. In it Rev. Arnett warned about a movement among "liberals" to remove the ideas underlying America's founding documents. See if you don't recognize those ideas from what you have observed in recent years:

"The Danger to our Country.

"Now that our national glory and grandeur is principally derived from the position the fathers took on the great questions of right and wrong, and the career of this nation has been unparalleled in the history of the past, now there are those who are demanding the tearing down the strength of our national fabric. They may not intend to tear it down, but just as sure as they have their way, just that sure will they undermine our superstructure and cause the greatest calamity of the age. What are the demands of this party of men? Just look at it and examine it for yourselves, and see if you are willing that they shall have their way; or will you still assist in keeping the ship of state in the hands of the same crew and run her by the old gospel chart! But ye men who think there is no danger listen to the demands of the Liberals as they choose to call themselves:

"'Organize! Liberals of America! The hour for action has arrived. The cause of freedom calls upon us to combine our strength, our zeal, our efforts. These are The Demands of Liberalism:

"'1. We demand that churches and other ecclesiastical property shall no longer be exempt from just taxation.

"'2. We demand that the employment of chaplains in Congress, in State Legislatures, in the navy and militia, and in prisons, asylums, and all other institutions supported by public money, shall be discontinued.

"'3. We demand that all public appropriations for sectarian educational and charitable institutions shall cease.

"'4. We demand that all religious services now sustained by the government shall be abolished; and especially that the use of the Bible in the public schools, whether ostensibly as a text-book or avowedly as a book of religious worship, shall be prohibited.

"'5. We demand that the appointment, by the President of the United States or by the Governors of the various States, of all religious festivals and fasts shall wholly cease.

"'6. We demand that the judicial oath in the courts and in all other departments of the government shall be abolished, and that simple affirmation under the pains and penalties of perjury shall be established in its stead.

"'7. We demand that all laws directly or indirectly enforcing the observance of Sunday as the Sabbath shall be repealed.

"'8. We demand that all laws looking to the enforcement of “Christian” morality shall be abrogated, and that all laws shall be conformed to the requirements of natural morality, equal rights, and impartial liberty.

"'9. We demand that not only in the Constitution of the United States and of the several States, but also in the practical administration of the same, no privilege or advantage shall be conceded to Christianity or any other special religion; that our entire political system shall be founded and administered on a purely secular basis; and that whatever changes shall prove necessary to this end shall be consistently, unflinchingly, and promptly made.'

"'Let us boldly and with high purpose meet the duty of the hour.'

"Now we must not think that we have nothing to do in this great work, for the men who are at the head of this movement are men of culture and intelligence, and many of them are men of influence. They are led by that thinker and scholar, F. E. Abbott, than whom I know but few men who has a smoother pen, or who is his equal on the battle-field of thought. He says in an address on the duty of his leagues:

"'My answer may be a negative one to all who see nothing positive in the idea of liberty. The conviction I refer to is this: that, regarded as a theological system, Christianity is Superstition, and, regarded as an organized institution, Christianity is Slavery. The purpose I refer to is this: that, whether regarded as theological system, Christianity shall wholly cease to exercise influence in political matters. Although the national Constitution is strictly secular and non-Christian, there are many things in the practical administration of the government which violate its spirit, and constitute a virtual recognition of Christianity as the national religion. These violations are very dangerous; they are on the increase; they more and more give Christianity a practical hold upon the government; they directly tend to strengthen the influence of Christianity over the people, and to fortify it both as a theology and a church; and they are therefore justly viewed with growing indignation by liberals. Not unreasonably are they looked upon as paving the way to a formidable effort to carry the Christian Amendment to the Constitution; and the liberals are beginning to see that they must extinguish the conflagration in its commencement. I believe all this myself, with more intense conviction every day; and therefore I appeal frankly to the people to begin now to lay the foundations of a great National Party of Freedom. It is not a moment too soon. If the liberals are wise, they will see the facts as they are, and act accordingly. Not with hostility, bitterness, defiance, or anger but rather with love to all men and high faith in the beneficence of consistently republican institutions, do I urge them most earnestly to begin the work at once.'

"He acknowledges that this is a religious nation and wants all men to assist him in eliminating the grand old granite principles from the framework of our national union. Will you do it freeman; will we sell the temple reared at the cost of so much precious blood and treasure? These men would have us turn back the hands on the clock of our national progress, and stay the shadow on the dial plate of our christian civilization; they would have us call a retreat to the soldiers in the army of Christ; the banner of the cross they would have us haul down, and reverse the engines of war against sin and crime; the songs of Zion they would turn into discord, and for the harmony and the melody of the sons of God, they would give us general confusion; they would have us chain the forces of virtue and unloose the elements of vice; they would have the nation loose its moorings from the Lord of truth and experience and commit interest, morally, socially; religiously and politically to the unsafe and unreliable human reason; they would discharge God and his crew and run the ship of State by the light of reason, which has always been but a dim taper in the world, and all the foot-prints it has left are marked with the blood of men, women and children. No nation is safe when left alone with reason.

"But we have no notion of giving up the contest without a struggle or a battle. We are aware that there is a great commotion in the world of thought. Religion and science are at arms length contending with all their forces for the mastery. Faith and unbelief are fighting their old battles over again, everything that can be shaken is shaking. The foundations of belief are assaulted by the army of science and men are changing their opinions. New and starting theories are promulgated to the world; old truths are putting on new garbs. Error is dressing in the latest style, wrong is secured by the unholy alliances, changes in men and things, revolution in church and state, Empires are crumbling, Kingdoms tottering; everywhere the change is seen. In the social circle, in the school house, in the pulpit and in the pews. But amid all the changes are revolutions their are some things that are unchangeable, unmovable and enduring. The forces that underline the vital power of Christianity are the same yesterday, to-day, to-morrow and forever more. They are like their God, who is omnipotent, immovable and eternal, and everywhere truth has marched it has left its moccasin tracks."

So said Rev. Benjamin Arnett in 1876. Where is the leader who will declare these things today? His theme was "Righteousness Exalteth a Nation, but Sin is a Reproach to Any People." Might such outspoken thoughts not enlighten the minds of Americans today as they discuss the topic of this thread?

9 posted on 01/13/2013 6:18:10 PM PST by loveliberty2 ( -)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
We've got a big problem with our bishops here in the USA, especially as packaged and marketed by the USCCB. Best to ignore all their political gasbaggery, it's rarely strongly tied to doctrine, and often in contrast to doctrine.

Yeah, ignore it. Everybody else does. Tagline.
Good advice Mrs. Don-o; I go only to the Eucharist, or as Mother Teresa said, "The Church will always have its problems, but the Faith itself [the Eucharist] is without flaw."
10 posted on 01/13/2013 6:18:14 PM PST by mlizzy (If people spent an hour a week in Eucharistic adoration, abortion would be ended. --Mother Teresa)
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To: ReformationFan

May God bless and keep B16!


11 posted on 01/13/2013 6:18:48 PM PST by Bigg Red (Sorry, Mr. Franklin, I guess we couldn't keep it.)
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To: Longbow1969

Evidently you have never heard about “Just War.”

Ecclesiastes 3: “A time for peace and a time for war.”


12 posted on 01/13/2013 6:28:12 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: RitaOK; Mrs. Don-o
I like this quote from Archbishop Chaput:

“Catholic social ministry begins and ends with Jesus Christ,” he said. “If it doesn’t, it isn’t Catholic.”

~Archbishop Chaput


13 posted on 01/13/2013 6:31:25 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Salvation

Yeah, I’ve heard of it. I just seem to recall the Catholic Church generally opposing most of our military operations. I’m not an expert on it (and could be wrong), but it seems like they mostly come out opposed to us.

I find that all too often the Catholic Church is simply on the left of many or even most issues. They are socially conservative on abortion and contraception, but when it comes to immigration, death penalty, bloated social programs, gun control, military operations, etc, they always seem to be on the left.


14 posted on 01/13/2013 6:34:58 PM PST by Longbow1969
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To: RitaOK

Look around you, though. The new, young priests are on FIRE and ‘the old order is rapidly changing.’ New Archbishop in Los Angeles, Archbishop Gomez, trained under Archbishop Chaput in Denver. He is conservative and orthodox, and he is setting things right. If it is happening even in Los Angeles, it has to be happening elsewhere.

It’s just the last gasp of the 60s generation - in society itself, in the Catholic Church too, and in other churches. I love the Catholic Church, too. We are converts. The ship will be righted.


15 posted on 01/13/2013 6:38:09 PM PST by bboop (does not suffer fools gladly)
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To: ReformationFan
You know the secularists really shouldn't mess with a German who was for nearly a quarter century, the head of the Congregatio pro Doctrina Fidei (Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith) AKA "the Inquisition".

Especially one as smart as Joseph Ratzinger, now Pope Benedict XVI.

16 posted on 01/13/2013 6:40:45 PM PST by El Gato ("The second amendment is the reset button of the US constitution"-Doug McKay)
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To: ReformationFan; Reaganite Republican; Clintons Are White Trash; HerrBlucher; mgist; raptor22; ...

My soul magnifies the Lord,
And my spirit rejoices in God my Savior.
For He has regarded the low estate of His handmaiden,
For behold, henceforth all generations shall call me blessed.
For He who is mighty has done great things for me, and holy is His name. And His mercy is on those who fear Him from generation to generation.
He has shown strength with His arm:
He has scattered the proud in the imagination of their hearts.
He has put down the mighty from their thrones,
and exalted those of low degree.
He has filled the hungry with good things;
and the rich He has sent empty away.
He has helped His servant Israel, in remembrance of His mercy;
As He spoke to our fathers, to Abraham and to His posterity forever.

Glory be to the Father and to the Son and to the Holy Spirit.
As it was in the beginning, is now and ever shall be, world without end. Amen

Magníficat ánima mea Dóminum,
et exsultávit spíritus meus
in Deo salvatóre meo,
quia respéxit humilitátem
ancíllæ suæ.

Ecce enim ex hoc beátam
me dicent omnes generatiónes,
quia fecit mihi magna,
qui potens est,
et sanctum nomen eius,
et misericórdia eius in progénies
et progénies timéntibus eum.
Fecit poténtiam in bráchio suo,
dispérsit supérbos mente cordis sui;
depósuit poténtes de sede
et exaltávit húmiles.
Esuriéntes implévit bonis
et dívites dimísit inánes.
Suscépit Ísrael púerum suum,
recordátus misericórdiæ,
sicut locútus est ad patres nostros,
Ábraham et sémini eius in sæcula.

Glória Patri et Fílio
et Spirítui Sancto.
Sicut erat in princípio,
et nunc et semper,
et in sæcula sæculórum.

Amen.

She became the Mother of God, in which work so many and such great good things are bestowed on her as pass man’s understanding. For on this there follows all honor, all blessedness, and her unique place in the whole of mankind, among which she has no equal, namely, that she had a child by the Father in heaven, and such a Child . . . Hence men have crowded all her glory into a single word, calling her the Mother of God . . . None can say of her nor announce to her greater things, even though he had as many tongues as the earth possesses flowers and blades of grass: the sky, stars; and the sea, grains of sand. It needs to be pondered in the heart what it means to be the Mother of God.

(Commentary on the Magnificat, 1521; in Luther’s Works, Pelikan et al, vol. 21, 326)


17 posted on 01/13/2013 6:41:15 PM PST by narses
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To: ReformationFan; Reaganite Republican; Clintons Are White Trash; HerrBlucher; mgist; raptor22; ...

My soul magnifies the Lord,
And my spirit rejoices in God my Savior.
For He has regarded the low estate of His handmaiden,
For behold, henceforth all generations shall call me blessed.
For He who is mighty has done great things for me, and holy is His name. And His mercy is on those who fear Him from generation to generation.
He has shown strength with His arm:
He has scattered the proud in the imagination of their hearts.
He has put down the mighty from their thrones,
and exalted those of low degree.
He has filled the hungry with good things;
and the rich He has sent empty away.
He has helped His servant Israel, in remembrance of His mercy;
As He spoke to our fathers, to Abraham and to His posterity forever.

Glory be to the Father and to the Son and to the Holy Spirit.
As it was in the beginning, is now and ever shall be, world without end. Amen

Magníficat ánima mea Dóminum,
et exsultávit spíritus meus
in Deo salvatóre meo,
quia respéxit humilitátem
ancíllæ suæ.

Ecce enim ex hoc beátam
me dicent omnes generatiónes,
quia fecit mihi magna,
qui potens est,
et sanctum nomen eius,
et misericórdia eius in progénies
et progénies timéntibus eum.
Fecit poténtiam in bráchio suo,
dispérsit supérbos mente cordis sui;
depósuit poténtes de sede
et exaltávit húmiles.
Esuriéntes implévit bonis
et dívites dimísit inánes.
Suscépit Ísrael púerum suum,
recordátus misericórdiæ,
sicut locútus est ad patres nostros,
Ábraham et sémini eius in sæcula.

Glória Patri et Fílio
et Spirítui Sancto.
Sicut erat in princípio,
et nunc et semper,
et in sæcula sæculórum.

Amen.

She became the Mother of God, in which work so many and such great good things are bestowed on her as pass man’s understanding. For on this there follows all honor, all blessedness, and her unique place in the whole of mankind, among which she has no equal, namely, that she had a child by the Father in heaven, and such a Child . . . Hence men have crowded all her glory into a single word, calling her the Mother of God . . . None can say of her nor announce to her greater things, even though he had as many tongues as the earth possesses flowers and blades of grass: the sky, stars; and the sea, grains of sand. It needs to be pondered in the heart what it means to be the Mother of God.

(Commentary on the Magnificat, 1521; in Luther’s Works, Pelikan et al, vol. 21, 326)


18 posted on 01/13/2013 6:42:13 PM PST by narses
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To: Longbow1969
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19 posted on 01/13/2013 6:46:15 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: RitaOK

I came out of mass today, and as I was leaving the parking lot, wound up behind a car that had an Obama bumper sticker on it. I don’t get it. Each week, we hear the priest talk of the assault on the Church, the evils of abortion, the attacks on the first amendment, etc. and this moron parishioner voted for Obama.


20 posted on 01/13/2013 6:58:13 PM PST by NoKoolAidforMe (I'm clinging to my God and my guns. You can keep the change.)
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To: RitaOK
I believe you and the Holy Father cited correctly the Western Church. I agonize over the condition of the Catholic Church in the USA. It is shocking the socialist strain that runs through her, gets all the press and the first microphone. Depressing, but God, how I love her and will never leave her.

You should consider having a personal relationship with Christ, rather than a religion.
21 posted on 01/13/2013 7:31:37 PM PST by crosshairs (They are only assault weapons in the hands of tyrannical governments and criminals. Ban both.)
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To: ReformationFan

That quote is why narcissistic liberals all over the world detest Pope Benedict. They believe they have every right to live as they please, because they, themselves, are the only thing that matters


22 posted on 01/13/2013 8:35:44 PM PST by SuziQ
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To: SuziQ

True. Although it’s not just that they have every right to live as they please. In the liberals’ minds, they have the “right” to persecute and punish anyone who doesn’t agree with them 100%.


23 posted on 01/13/2013 9:15:49 PM PST by ReformationFan
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To: savagesusie

‘It comes from Catholic Theology, true, but this fundamental Christian idea is also embedded in the US Constitution—that our Natural Rights come from God.

‘All “Rights” that don’t originate with God — (Natural Law Theory) are not
rights understood by our Constitution. IOW, there is no “right” to kill another human being (abortion) nor is their a “right” to sodomize another person). Both are unnatural and an assault on Virtue—that which is necessary for Justice.

‘The US government is required to promote Justice-—as it’s chief meaning for existence. Without Justice, it is unconstitutional and We the People have a “Right” to dissolve it.

‘Much of the new pseudo “Rights” come from Marxist ideology (Feminism/Homosexualism/progressivism)-—radical egalitarianism which dehumanizes man—removes the male and female nature from human beings. Marxism/Socialism removes Natural Laws and reinserts irrational “rights” so they can remove Natural Rights from God, which promoting homosexual rights does for babies when they deny children’s their biological parent or when they deny children “life”.

‘This removal of Truth—about Human Nature (Marxism is the Big Lie)-—results in irrational “thinking” (all assumptions are based on Lies) which claim “Rights” for behaviors that deny Virtue which is the fundamental reason for any government-—to promote Justice—that Queen of Virtues (Anselm).’

Great post. Thank you for contributing it.


24 posted on 01/13/2013 9:17:47 PM PST by ReformationFan
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To: loveliberty2

WOW! Thanks for posting this. I have never heard this and am shocked to know this was written in America before 1876. They have surely accomplished their evil goals. This bears repeating. Please see loveliberty2’s complete post #9.

>>>”Back in 1876, a Black Minister and Ohio State Legislator, Rev. Benjamin W. Arnett, delivered the “Centennial Thanksgiving Sermon,” celebrating the Declaration of Independence, at St. Paul A.M.E. Church in Urbana, Ohio. The Sermon can be read online at the American Memory Section of the LOC, in the African-American Collection. Below is a small excerpt from that Sermon’s conclusion. In it Rev. Arnett warned about a movement among “liberals” to remove the ideas underlying America’s founding documents. See if you don’t recognize those ideas from what you have observed in recent years:

“The Danger to our Country.
“Now that our national glory and grandeur is principally derived from the position the fathers took on the great questions of right and wrong, and the career of this nation has been unparalleled in the history of the past, now there are those who are demanding the tearing down the strength of our national fabric. They may not intend to tear it down, but just as sure as they have their way, just that sure will they undermine our superstructure and cause the greatest calamity of the age. What are the demands of this party of men? Just look at it and examine it for yourselves, and see if you are willing that they shall have their way; or will you still assist in keeping the ship of state in the hands of the same crew and run her by the old gospel chart! But ye men who think there is no danger listen to the demands of the Liberals as they choose to call themselves:

“’Organize! Liberals of America! The hour for action has arrived. The cause of freedom calls upon us to combine our strength, our zeal, our efforts. These are The Demands of Liberalism:
“’1. We demand that churches and other ecclesiastical property shall no longer be exempt from just taxation.

“’2. We demand that the employment of chaplains in Congress, in State Legislatures, in the navy and militia, and in prisons, asylums, and all other institutions supported by public money, shall be discontinued.

“’3. We demand that all public appropriations for sectarian educational and charitable institutions shall cease.

“’4. We demand that all religious services now sustained by the government shall be abolished; and especially that the use of the Bible in the public schools, whether ostensibly as a text-book or avowedly as a book of religious worship, shall be prohibited.

“’5. We demand that the appointment, by the President of the United States or by the Governors of the various States, of all religious festivals and fasts shall wholly cease.

“’6. We demand that the judicial oath in the courts and in all other departments of the government shall be abolished, and that simple affirmation under the pains and penalties of perjury shall be established in its stead.

“’7. We demand that all laws directly or indirectly enforcing the observance of Sunday as the Sabbath shall be repealed.

“’8. We demand that all laws looking to the enforcement of “Christian” morality shall be abrogated, and that all laws shall be conformed to the requirements of natural morality, equal rights, and impartial liberty.

“’9. We demand that not only in the Constitution of the United States and of the several States, but also in the practical administration of the same, no privilege or advantage shall be conceded to Christianity or any other special religion; that our entire political system shall be founded and administered on a purely secular basis; and that whatever changes shall prove necessary to this end shall be consistently, unflinchingly, and promptly made.’

“’Let us boldly and with high purpose meet the duty of the hour.’<<<


25 posted on 01/13/2013 9:45:56 PM PST by Mother Mary
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To: ReformationFan

Your welcome.

I have spent years studying philosophy-—particularly Natural Law Theory. Didn’t realize it is the basis of Common Sense and Logic, but it is. It is amazing-—and Catholic Theology, because of St. Thomas Aquinas immersing Theology in Natural law in the 13th Century, is also amazing. Too bad Vatican II threw out Thomistic Theology-—they need to return to pre-Vatican II before the “social justice” Marxists infiltrated and took over the priesthood. Some lucidity leaks out of Vatican on occasion-—but it is too rare and a little late.

Can’t wait until Logic returns AND IT WILL. The Postmodernists-—as Ayn Rand stated in the 60’s, are totally irrational. When you listen to Marxists/Progressives/Hegelians—you feel like you are in Wonderland. There is no is there. Everything in their world is a twisted fairy-tale and Reason can’t be found.


26 posted on 01/13/2013 9:54:16 PM PST by savagesusie (Right Reason According to Nature = Just Law)
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To: savagesusie

“Can’t wait until Logic returns AND IT WILL. The Postmodernists-—as Ayn Rand stated in the 60’s, are totally irrational. When you listen to Marxists/Progressives/Hegelians—you feel like you are in Wonderland. There is no is there. Everything in their world is a twisted fairy-tale and Reason can’t be found.”

I hope it retuns soon. It’s long overdue. I don’t know how much more of this mad hatter unbirthday type “reasoning” I can take.


27 posted on 01/13/2013 9:57:18 PM PST by ReformationFan
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To: ReformationFan

Soak yourself in the Classics and reason will return. I removed TV/cable years ago and things got SO much better rapidly-—it is amazing!!!!!

Study Aristotle’s Nicomachean Ethics-—he is great! (Father of Logic).

Now—if some of my *friends* could eliminate their agitprop box so they can actually *think* and reflect on occasion!!! All that “white noise” which doesn’t allow coherent thoughts——like Bradbury wrote about in an interview about F. 451:

http://blogs.laweekly.com/informer/2012/06/ray_bradbury_fahrenheit_451.php


28 posted on 01/13/2013 10:27:42 PM PST by savagesusie (Right Reason According to Nature = Just Law)
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To: ReformationFan
Far from protecting hard-fought freedoms, modern human rights culture is being used to suppress liberty of conscience and restrain Christianity.

Right on, Your Holiness.

29 posted on 01/14/2013 5:36:59 AM PST by annalex (fear them not)
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To: ReformationFan
Someone should post the entire address, but these are the pertinent passages in full:

The building of peace always comes about by the protection of human beings and their fundamental rights. This task, even if carried out in many ways and with varying degrees of intensity, challenges all countries and must constantly be inspired by the transcendent dignity of the human person and the principles inscribed in human nature. Foremost among these is respect for human life at every stage. In this regard, I was gratified that a resolution of the Parliamentary Assembly of the Council of Europe, in January of last year, called for the prohibition of euthanasia, understood as the intentional killing by act or omission of a dependent human being .

At the same time, I must note with dismay that, in various countries, even those of Christian tradition, efforts are being made to introduce or expand legislation which decriminalizes abortion. Direct abortion, that is to say willed as an end or as a means, is gravely contrary to the moral law. In affirming this, the Catholic Church is not lacking in understanding and mercy, also towards the mother involved. Rather, it is a question of being vigilant lest the law unjustly alter the balance between the right to life of the mother and that of the unborn child, a right belonging equally to both. In this area, the recent decision of the Inter-American Court of Human Rights regarding in vitro fertilization, which arbitrarily redefines the moment of conception and weakens the defence of unborn life, is also a source of concern.

Sadly, especially in the West, one frequently encounters ambiguities about the meaning of human rights and their corresponding duties. Rights are often confused with exaggerated manifestations of the autonomy of the individual, who becomes self-referential, no longer open to encounter with God and with others, and absorbed only in seeking to satisfy his or her own needs. To be authentic, the defence of rights must instead consider human beings integrally, in their personal and communitarian dimensions.

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Continuing our meeting today, I would like to add that peace in society is also put at risk by certain threats to religious liberty: it is a question sometimes of the marginalization of religion in social life; sometimes of intolerance or even of violence towards individuals, symbols of religious identity and religious institutions. It even happens that believers, and Christians in particular, are prevented from contributing to the common good by their educational and charitable institutions. In order effectively to safeguard the exercise of religious liberty it is essential to respect the right of conscientious objection. This "frontier" of liberty touches upon principles of great importance of an ethical and religious character, rooted in the very dignity of the human person. They are, as it were, the "bearing walls" of any society that wishes to be truly free and democratic. Thus, outlawing individual and institutional conscientious objection in the name of liberty and pluralism paradoxically opens by contrast the door to intolerance and forced uniformity.

POPE BENEDICT XVI'S ADDRESS TO THE DIPLOMATIC CORP

30 posted on 01/14/2013 5:37:51 AM PST by annalex (fear them not)
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To: narses

What an absolutely wonderful quote from Martin Luther! I’m going to keep my hands on it and share it whenever possible. It helps me love him more.


31 posted on 01/14/2013 5:52:57 AM PST by Mrs. Don-o ("All I really need is love, but a little chocolate now and then doesn't hurt!" - Lucy Van Pelt)
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To: NoKoolAidforMe

I really only know two Obama-voters in our parish (there are probably more, but these are the two who incriminate themselves with bumper stickers.) One of them is a classic low-information voter. Has her good points, by the way, but can’t get past race.


32 posted on 01/14/2013 5:56:05 AM PST by Mrs. Don-o ("All I really need is love, but a little chocolate now and then doesn't hurt!" - Lucy Van Pelt)
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To: crosshairs; RitaOK
A relationship with Jesus Christ doesn't preclude a relationship with the Church He founded. In fact, they are inseparable. The Church is His body, His bride. He loves her, He laid down His life for her.

But you knew that.

33 posted on 01/14/2013 5:59:44 AM PST by Mrs. Don-o (May the Lord bless you, May the Lord keep you, May He turn to you His countenance and give you peace)
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To: crosshairs

I love the Church because she loves Him, and not because she loves me, and at her best she is sober and and obedient to His desires for fitting worship and loving works. Those two things are great mystical events, and not rote, nor Pharasee like, but a great movement of the heart carried out. Our Saviour made many promises to her, as a bridegroom would, and as the mystical body of Him, she responds to His commands as a bride would, in a very personal relationship with Him, quite willing to love and obey. He laid down His life for her and that makes it personal.


34 posted on 01/14/2013 7:40:22 AM PST by RitaOK ( VIVA CHRISTO REY / Public education is the farm team for more Marxists coming.)
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To: Salvation

A lovely quote of course, but applying that to, say, illegal entry makes international law breakers look like Mary and Joseph.

In fact, that socialist Bishop in California ( McC......, or something) said as much. That is where I got the comparison.


35 posted on 01/14/2013 8:09:17 AM PST by RitaOK ( VIVA CHRISTO REY / Public education is the farm team for more Marxists coming.)
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To: NoKoolAidforMe

I am sorry you saw such a bumper sticker. It is a scandal. These people are blind and disobedient, but I have little doubt they line right up for receiving communion, and leave their disobedience outside the door of the confessional, or else that sticker would be jerked off and burned. Can you imagine that the priest would apply no heat to these people but from the broad terms used at the Amble if he knew?

You know what you have to do now, don’t you? You ask this parishner if that car is borrowed. Take another with you to inquire why the name of the enemy to the Church and the First Ammendment would appear on Catholic’s car?


36 posted on 01/14/2013 8:25:01 AM PST by RitaOK ( VIVA CHRISTO REY / Public education is the farm team for more Marxists coming.)
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To: Mother Mary
Thanks. I came across the Centennial Sermon several years ago. As time goes by, it seems to take on even more significance than when I first read it.

Here is a link through which, by clicking on Arnett's name, you may access and read a full text version. As you can see, this alphabetical listing is only one section of the alphabet. There are other works in that Collection which could serve to correct some of the "progressive" movement's claims also.

Arnett, in his Sermon, provides his own documentation of the Christian foundations of the Republic, as gleaned from the writings, documents, State Constitutions, and various other means available to him, or within his own memory.

Someone on another thread this week provided the same listing of "demands" of "liberals," except the source was Disraeli, not Arnett.

37 posted on 01/14/2013 9:29:34 AM PST by loveliberty2 ( -)
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To: crosshairs

Why have just one when you can have both ?


38 posted on 01/14/2013 7:08:23 PM PST by wonkowasright (Wonko from outside the asylum)
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To: ReformationFan
In the liberals’ minds, they have the “right” to persecute and punish anyone who doesn’t agree with them 100%.

Yeah, well that's the ultimate manifestation of their narcissism.

39 posted on 01/14/2013 7:47:54 PM PST by SuziQ
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