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To: RegulatorCountry

My wife and her family are rock-solid “pre-trib” people. I have tried and tried to decipher what the truth is, but cannot.

I am extremely afraid of going through the Tribulation. I desperately want the Rapture to occur pre-Trib. I am an admitted wimp. I would not stand up to persecution, torture, and starvation, or having to watch my wife or kids go through that. I’m probably one of those who’d end up taking the Mark in order for my wife and kids to survive, knowing it’ll send me to an eternal Hell.

That’s just me, being honest.


17 posted on 01/13/2013 10:32:34 PM PST by hoagy62 ("Tyranny, like hell, is not easily conquered..."-Thomas Paine. 1776)
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To: hoagy62

[[I am extremely afraid of going through the Tribulation.]]

I’m pretrib- but don’t be afraid IF we have to endure soem of the trib- to put your mind at ease- read tim lahaye’s ‘left behind’ series- it’s semi fiction that kind of describes how things might play out during the tribulation- God will take care of His own in miraculous ways (although I beleive the left behind series talsk abotu God taking care of people that are saved AFTER the church is raptured, as thsoe left behind begin to realize that their Christian friends were right all along’

There will msotl ikely be peopel with great finacial means who get saved shortly after the rapture, who will then provide for God’s peopel durign hte tribulation (and htere’s even soem suggestion that peopel with illnesses deformities etc, will be cured durign hte trib so that they will be fit to defend Israel, the refuge, where they will flock to to defend the Jews

IF we have to go through the trib, it’ll be rough, but doable- Things will defiantely DRASTICALLY change for us- no doubt- However, I beleive we will have supernatural protectiosn even if we are to be martyred- where God gives us supernatural strength to handle beign martyred if God so deems it necessary for us- There are written reports abotu Christians who were beign tortured singing and happily looking forward to meetign Christ- God gave them the supernatural power to endure the ordeal- I beleive that if it coems to that- we too will be enowed with htis power from on high


23 posted on 01/13/2013 11:17:37 PM PST by CottShop (Scientific belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge)
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To: hoagy62

[[I’m probably one of those who’d end up taking the Mark in order for my wife and kids to survive, knowing it’ll send me to an eternal Hell]]

If you’re a born again Christian, even takign hte mark will NOT send you to hell- ‘No man can remove the saved’s name from the lambs book of life- not even you yourself- True salvation is eternal- regardless of what we do after we becoem saved-


24 posted on 01/13/2013 11:19:34 PM PST by CottShop (Scientific belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge)
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To: hoagy62
Fair enough comment which most could probably relate to to some degree at least.

Don't worry though,Peter denied Jesus three times but later was out preaching in public on pain of death.

Don't think for a moment that God is doing 'nothing' in you."Be not afraid, only believe." (Mark 5:36)

25 posted on 01/13/2013 11:20:16 PM PST by mitch5501 ("make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things ye shall never fall")
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To: hoagy62
My wife and her family are rock-solid “pre-trib” people. I have tried and tried to decipher what the truth is, but cannot.

I am extremely afraid of going through the Tribulation. I desperately want the Rapture to occur pre-Trib. I am an admitted wimp. I would not stand up to persecution, torture, and starvation, or having to watch my wife or kids go through that. I’m probably one of those who’d end up taking the Mark in order for my wife and kids to survive, knowing it’ll send me to an eternal Hell.

That’s just me, being honest.

That's being very honest, I applaud that. I can't say with certainty what I would do. I would like to think that I would not.
26 posted on 01/14/2013 12:31:48 AM PST by 98ZJ USMC
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To: hoagy62

You can do it. What is this life in the context of eternity?
Read the history of the martyrs of the church.


36 posted on 01/14/2013 2:49:35 AM PST by ImaGraftedBranch (...By reading this, you've collapsed my wave function. Thanks.)
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To: hoagy62

That’s just me, being honest.


Being honest is one of the greatest things these days, i started out in a church that strickly believed in the pre-trib rapture.

Most of those people have already been buried, the point being that there are most likely many more people who believed in the rapture who are already dead than what there are who believe in it that are alive today.


15:50 and 51
Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.

Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,

Cor 15:55
O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?


It does not say that we shall not die, it just says that we shall not sleep in death as we will be changed at the moment of death.

We do not escape death and the grave but there is no sting in the death or victory of the grave because it can not keep us. the only thing it can hold is a flesh and blood body that can not inheriet the kingdom of God in the first place, see verse 15:50.

I do not know that every one will go through the tribulation in the same sense, but i think that every one who holds Jesus as lord will go through a tribulation of some kind even if it is of their own making and that since flesh and blood can not enter the kingdom of God then every one will die.

15:36
Thou fool, that which thou sowest is not quickened, except it die:

It is natural to be afraid, even the Apostles were afraid and so will it be with us who really take the Gospel serious
that is why paul goes to a lot of trouble to explain to us that the end will be well worth the trouble.

Personally, it scares the hell out of me.


59 posted on 01/14/2013 6:15:50 AM PST by ravenwolf
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To: hoagy62
I would not stand up to persecution, torture, and starvation, or having to watch my wife or kids go through that

First, let me make it clear that I am pre-trib, I think the Rapture is our glorious hope (Titus 2:13). That said, we will suffer from some persecution, I don't know the extent of it. I am a wimp also, but I found the answer in Daniel 1:8, Daniel purposed in his heart that he would not defile himself with the portion of the king’s delicacies. Daniel, by himself, could not have opposed Nebuchadnezzar. But he "purposed in his heart" how he was going to act, and the Lord God helped him going through it. Bottom line, I have purposed how I will act if the time comes (not the Tribulation) and I'm leaving it up to Him to help me live up to it!

62 posted on 01/14/2013 7:01:22 AM PST by Former Fetus (Saved by grace through faith)
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To: hoagy62

Where is the word ‘rapture’ in the Bible? It doesn’t exist, because it’s not in the Bible.


66 posted on 01/14/2013 7:46:27 AM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: hoagy62

if you believe in the Lord your God, and Jesus Christ, you have nothing to fear.

secondly, this is why we need to be prepared; have enough food, water, ammo, etc., so that you are not tempted to side with the devil to get your needs met during the time of tribulation.


80 posted on 01/14/2013 9:54:34 AM PST by spacejunkie2001
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