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To: rusty schucklefurd

[[God didn’t spare the first century Christians from facing terrible times, why should we be any different?]]

Because we’re special- seriously htough- the first persecutions were not end timesd related- nor are current persecutions- in only just a few short decades a couple hundred million CHristians have been murdered for their faith or tortured-

I personally don’t know what position to take- I beleive in pretrib, but am resigned to the idea that I could be wrong- I’ve heard strogn arguments for all three positions ‘pre-mid-post’ trib. I’ve coem to a fairly certain conclusion that the trib is meant for the Jewish nation- Whiel Christians are adopted Jews/children of God, (there’s soem evidence that we may even be descendents of htel ost tribe of Ephraim, making westerners mostly jewish anyways- but there’s also some evidence that this isn’t true- not sure what to beleive hteir either) but the end tiems are to brign hte nation of Israel back under God- not the gentiles-
Marv Rosenthal teaches mid trib I beleive, and he’s got soem strogn points- however, post trib also has soem strong points too-


19 posted on 01/13/2013 10:56:26 PM PST by CottShop (Scientific belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge)
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To: CottShop

A rapture would absolutely collapse the United States. There are Christians every-where in all positions of power, technology, and business and their sudden disappearance(yes with a multitude of Godly very surprised Catholics) would be like kicking out all the support studs in a house that keep the walls and roof up!

The sudden loss of the US could create the power vacuums necessary for the “BEAST system to go full on live”. It could happen pre to mid trib. Or perhaps because of our national sins,we fall well before any rapture at all with Christians in the Balkanized areas of the former US trying to pick up the pieces of our national folly just prior to any rapture or 7 years tribulation.


51 posted on 01/14/2013 4:35:43 AM PST by mdmathis6 ("Barry" Xmas to all and have a rapaciously taxable New Year!)
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To: CottShop
there’s soem evidence that we may even be descendents of htel ost tribe of Ephraim, making westerners mostly jewish anyways- but there’s also some evidence that this isn’t true- not sure what to beleive hteir either

Sorry, it's utterly false

By "westerners" I take it you mean people of European descent. The vast majority of Europeans are Indo-Europeans, of the same racial group as Iranis and northern Indians. These Aryanic peoples are not Semites as the tribe of Ephraim

There are smaller blood types of Magyar/Finn -- Finno-Ugric and Samoyed and Turkic and of course Semitic as Jews have lived there for a long time

But the "lost tribes" are not really lost --

  1. the Assyrian pattern of relocation was mostly of the elite and at the most the upper strata of society.
  2. The Assyrians normally transported troublesome people somewhere closer to the Assyrian homeland -- in the case of the Israelites to southern Iraq
  3. The Assyrians, like the Babylonians and the Israelites were Semitic peoples by race and language so assimilation was a lot easier than with the Medes, say
The 'lost tribes' either came back and assimilated with the Judeans (just as Simeon and Benjamin assimilated with Judeans) or merged in with the marsh Arabs of southern Iraq

the merging of Semitic groups isn't that difficult -- it happened centuries later when Islam conquered the jewish cities of Medina and of Yemen (there were Jewish kings in Yemen, converts) and many converted to Islam.

132 posted on 01/15/2013 12:37:51 AM PST by Cronos (Middle English prest, priest, Old English pruost, Late Latin presbyter, Latin presbuteros)
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