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To: The_Reader_David

You need to read I Thess. Paul wrote that letter to them to reassure them that they had not missed the rapture. They had been given a letter, supposedly from Paul, that said that they were already in the tribulation. Paul restates what he had taught them when he was first there in person. This was also revealed in his letter to the Corinthians (I Cor 15)

Re-read chapter six and seven of Revelation. The seals are not judgments, they discribe the condition of the earth (seals one through four)The plea of the martyrs in the fifth seal, then (this gets interesting) the sixth seal, has the sealing of the 144,000 (an angel states that harm to the earth can not happen until they are sealed) from Israel, then, a number of people in heaven that no one could number from every nation, tribe, people and language standing before the throne. They are identified as those who came out from the great tribulation and have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
The greek word for “came out” means to be removed from the place, time, and cause of the tribulation.

Its the same word used in Rev 3:10 in the promise given to the church in Philidelpha. Jesus promised to keep take them away from the time and place of the tribulation.

I do not understand the attacks that are heaped upon people who hold to a pre-tribulation transfiguration (Rapture). I want to spread the good news to everyone so that they all will be spared having to live through the awful time soon to come on this earth. It does not make me want to sit back and say “Oh well too bad for you” and I am not waiting around doing nothing because of this belief.

This view was taught in the church until around the mid third or fouth century, then it was no longer taught. A literal reading of scripture proves this as Paul was allowed to share this with the early church.


20 posted on 01/13/2013 11:04:03 PM PST by coincheck (Time is Short, Salvation is for Today)
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To: coincheck; Just mythoughts

****the sixth seal, has the sealing of the 144,000 (an angel states that harm to the earth can not happen until they are sealed) from Israel****

Mark 13:24 But in those days, after that tribulation, the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light,

25 And the stars of heaven shall fall, and the powers that are in the heaven shall be shaken.

26 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in the clouds with great power and glory.

Jesus told the ruling Pharisees that He would not come until they called out his name. There is an Old Testament story where Joseph has a dream of the Sun Moon and Stars...“Listen,” he said, “I had another dream, and this time the sun and moon and eleven stars were bowing down to me.”

Then he told his father and brothers and this is what Israel said to him...”When he told his father as well as his brothers, his father rebuked him and said, “What is this dream you had? Will your mother and I and your brothers actually come and bow down to the ground before you?”

Joseph’s father Israel rightly interpreted the dream as describing the house of Israel as the Son, the Moon and the Stars(11 stars plus Joseph for the twelve tribes of Israel).

I think it means that Jesus will not come back until the 144,000 from the tribes of Israel fall on their knees and call out for his return.

28 posted on 01/14/2013 1:11:17 AM PST by ResponseAbility (The truth of liberalism is the stupid can feel smart, the lazy entitled, and the immoral unashamed)
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