Skip to comments.Pope: Historical Divisions Among Christians One of the Most Serious Sins that Disfigure Church
Posted on 01/21/2013 9:12:42 AM PST by marshmallow
At the Angelus, Benedict XVI invites prayers for Week dedicated to Christian Unity (18-25 January). This year's theme, "What the Lord requires of us" (cf. I 6.6 to 8), was chosen and developed by an ecumenical group in India. On January 25, Vespers at St. Paul Outside the Walls, along with representatives of the Christian Churches. A prayer for peace for "an end to the massacres of unarmed civilians, to all violence, and to find the courage of dialogue and negotiation."
Vatican City (AsiaNews) - "One of the most serious sins that disfigures the face of the Church is its visible lack of unity, especially the historical divisions that have separated Christians and which have not yet been completely resolved." This is what Benedict XVI said in his reflection before the Angelus prayer with pilgrims gathered in St. Peter's Square. The Pope's words are due to the fact that for more than 100 years, 18 to 25 January, the Christian world celebrates the Week of Prayer for Christian Unity, "a moment - explained the pope - always welcome by believers and communities, which awakens in all the desire and spiritual commitment to full communion".
Experts often say that the ecumenical momentum in Churches - especially non-Catholic ones- is fading. But Benedict XVI fondly remembers "the vigil I celebrated about a month ago, in this square, with thousands of young people from across Europe and the ecumenical community of Taizé: a moment of grace in which we experienced the beauty of being one in Christ. " The young people of Taizé in fact wanted to celebrate their European meeting at the end of 2012 in Rome.
The pope encouraged "everyone to pray together so that we can achieve," What the Lord requires of us "(cf. I 6.6 to 8), as this year's........
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protestants made their bed, they must now LIE in it...we can only pray that they will come to their senses and rejoin the true church Christ built on peter and his sucessors.
I agree with The Pope.
I will add that Catholics, Protestants, Evangelicals, Eastern Orthodox, Charismatics, Pentecostals, Baptists, and Non-Denominationals face one common enemy.
The same one the Jewish People face.
You KNOW who I’m talking about.
True, but what can be done now?
At best we act as distrustful cousins. We complain about each other, but stand with the family when it is time to cash in the chips.
Maybe you should take that to heart and stop posting deliberately divisive articles.
Peter was the foundation of the Christian church. Emperor Constantine was the founder and first pope of the roman catholic church. There is no lineage between the two.
So posting articles reflective of the facts about the divides that clearly exist is in itself divisive? I don’t think so. If that were true, then we would have to say that posting articles about crime actually is crime. That makes no sense.
He posts 5 or six deliberately devisive articles per week.
If your goal is unity amongst Christians that makes no sense.
Unity on the core doctrine, diversity on the peripheral issues. That’s healthy for the Body of Christ IMO.
:: the true church Christ built on peter and his sucessors. ::
And posting such divisive rhetoric continues to aid and abet the separation.
We are in agreement brother.
This may not be the right time for the Pope to call for unity.
Let the Pope put his own house in order and produce unity within the Catholic church according to Jesus’ criteria,
‘By this all will know that you are my disciples, if you have love among yourselves’.
“He posts 5 or six deliberately devisive articles per week.”
In your view. And again, recognizing that divisions exist should not be thought of as being divisive in itself. To liberals telling them the truth is divisive. Ever notice that?
“If your goal is unity amongst Christians that makes no sense.”
I think his first goal is service to the Truth. Some people will always find that divisive.
Christ: A new command I give you: Love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another. 35 By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you love one another.
The issue isn't historical divisions, it is lack of obedience to Christ's command for all Christians to love one another.
“Yep. Constantine took his version of the church and turned it into a paganistic cult. It’s not the one true Church.”
The pope’s lineage derives from the roman empire and not from Peter or Paul. It is a false belief that Peter is the first pope. Emperor Constantine adopted Christianity as the official religion of Rome. This is the origin of the Catholic religion. All customs that are followed since that time have root in the early roman pagan rituals. Deny history, deny the truth.
“The popes lineage derives from the roman empire and not from Peter or Paul.”
Completely false. Of course you offer no proof for your claim either.
“It is a false belief that Peter is the first pope.”
False. It is a true belief that Peter was the first pope.
“Emperor Constantine adopted Christianity as the official religion of Rome.”
False. Such statements always inform me of when I am dealing with someone who has no idea what he is talking about. Poorly educated people - usually the product of government schools - often believe Constantine “adopted Christianity as the official religion of Rome.” They believe this because of the common ignorance called Protestantism. In reality Theodosius the Great - who was emperor 40 years after Constantine - made Christianity the official religion of the Roman Empire. Most Protestants are too ignorant to know that fact. That fact also doesn’t support the bizarre common Protestant meme about Constantine being “pope” so it is not investigated. Protestants choose ignorance instead.
“This is the origin of the Catholic religion.”
False. And you have no evidence to support your claim either.
“All customs that are followed since that time have root in the early roman pagan rituals. Deny history, deny the truth.”
You’re the only one denying history and truth.
Constantine supported the Arian heretics, not the Catholic Church. He and his sons even attempted depose the Pope and Catholic Bishops and set up his own Arian puppet bishops in their place. In fact, Athanasias, was one of the Bishops exiled by him.
Ah, the cult wars!
Division is the rule of life. Unity never endures the ravages of time. This is Christianity’s class / caste system, and something it failed to escape.
Like Ayn Rand observed prophetically, the individual is the smallest minority. This is why Protestantism’s “unity” and strength comes from a greater attention to the individual, compared to Catholicism’s greater focus on the “community”. No wonder Catholic-majority countries are largely socialistic. And the Catholic Church just yesterday announced support for Obama’s gun control stance. It’s all related, the stain of human-conceived religions just peeks out and shines through!
Peter, Linus, Cletus, Clement, Evaristus, Alexander, Sixtus, Telesphorus, Hyginus, Pius, Anicetus, Soter, Eleutherius, Victor, Zephrynius, Callistus, Urban, Pontain, Anterus, Fabian, Cornelius, Lucius, Stephen, SixtusII, Dionysius, Felix, Eutychian, Caius, Marcellinus, Marcellus, Eusebius, Milteades and Sylvester would beg to differ.
"The social teaching of the Church is based on the human person as the principle, subject and object of every social organization."
Which is why your church rejects Nicaea?
Read “Pagan Christianity” by Frank Viola. It is the most researched book concerning this very topic. I bet you won’t because it’s much easier to call me names.
I wish you the best on your journey brother.
Rand was an atheist if I recall. She wouldn’t have a positive view on religion, however I do agree in a sense. Anything religion organized and run by man is going to be flawed. The current Christian Churches are not what Peter and Paul envisioned. Paul spent his life defending against what we have today. We are the Church, Jesus is head, not some guy who lives in the vestiges of a fallen empire.
I believe in one God, the Father Almighty, maker of heaven and earth, and of all things visible and invisible. And in one Lord Jesus Christ, the only begotten Son of God, and born of the Father before all ages. God of God light of light, true God of true God. Begotten not made, consubstantial to the Father, by whom all things were made. Who for us men and for our salvation came down from heaven. And was incarnate of the Holy Ghost and of the Virgin Mary and was made man; was crucified also for us under Pontius Pilate, suffered and was buried; and the third day rose again according to the Scriptures. And ascended into heaven, sits at the right hand of the Father, and shall come again with glory to judge the living and the dead, of whose Kingdom there shall be no end. And I believe in the Holy Ghost, the Lord and Giver of life, who proceeds from the Father and the Son, who together with the Father and the Son is to be adored and glorified, who spoke by the Prophets. And one holy, catholic, and apostolic Church. I confess one baptism for the remission of sins. And I look for the resurrection of the dead and the life of the world to come. Amen.
so which part of that is a "paganistic cult"?
One thing for sure, those who thrive on attacking Catholics are solidly on the side of King Barry whether it's telling others to not vote for Romney or telling others that Catholics aren't Christian. Whatever they can do to cause divisions among Christians supports King Barry so they do whatever they can do to help King Barry.
Which is why such folks aren't the least bit upset that two thirds of infants murdered in the womb are murdered by abortificiant contraceptives when superior alternatives exist that don't murder infants, and why they don't bother with any discussion of or resistance to King Barry stomping on the First Amendment.
Those who are Christian accept what Christ Himself said rather than twisting it to suit their own preferences. Scripture like:
Matthew 26:26 "And whilst they were at supper, Jesus took bread, and blessed, and broke: and gave to his disciples, and said: Take ye, and eat. This is my body."
Mark 14:22 "And whilst they were eating, Jesus took bread; and blessing, broke, and gave to them, and said: Take ye. This is my body."
Luke 6:46 And why call you me, Lord, Lord; and do not the things which I say?
I Corinthians 9:27 But I chastise my body, and bring it into subjection : lest perhaps, when I have preached to others, I myself should become a castaway.
I Corinthians 10:16 The chalice of benediction, which we bless, is it not the communion of the blood of Christ? And the bread, which we break, is it not the partaking of the body of the Lord?
James 2:17 So faith also, if it have not works, is dead in itself.
James 2:18 But some man will say : Thou hast faith, and I have works : shew me thy faith without works ; and I will shew thee, by works, my faith.
James 2:19 Thou believest that there is one God. Thou dost well : the devils also believe and tremble.
James 2:20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?
James 2:21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works, offering up Isaac his son upon the altar?
James 2:22 Seest thou, that faith did co-operate with his works; and by works faith was made perfect?
James 2:23 And the scripture was fulfilled, saying: Abraham believed God, and it was reputed to him to justice, and he was called the friend of God.
James 2:24 Do you see that by works a man is justified; and not by faith only?
James 2:25 And in like manner also Rahab the harlot, was not she justified by works, receiving the messengers, and sending them out another way?
James 2:26 For even as the body without the spirit is dead; so also faith without works is dead.
Romans 11:21 For if God hath not spared the natural branches, fear lest perhaps he also spare not thee.
Romans 11:22 See then the goodness and the severity of God: towards them indeed that are fallen, the severity; but towards thee, the goodness of God,if thou abide in goodness, otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.
Every bit of which those who constantly attack Catholics revise or ignore to suit their Self and their Self Alone.
Brother, please read my post above and read that book. It will open your eyes.
OK Rashputin, I believe every word you posted in bold, but I’m not a Roman Catholic. But I suspect you will still believe that I am far from the fold.
Islam is for “peace.” But it is a peace which is defined to mean a state in which everyone is muslim.
Roman Catholics, at least apparently so, define unity only as meaning we are all Roman Catholics.
I am not a Roman Catholic, because I see the gospel of the New Testament as something much simpler than the massive hierarchy that has developed in that church.
Brother I am familiar with all you quote. I don’t deny anything taught in the Bible. I take offense and respond when what I have studied is called out as not being true. There are Christians on this site who insinuated I was a liar for my believe and I must conform to the “true” Christianity of Catholoism.
I can go to a beach not far from here that was used to slaughter 200 men who refused to convert. That is your history. This attitude has not changed among your brethren.
Everything else is darkness according to the First Letter of St. John.
Constantine was a Pope?
Where are you getting these false ideas? Please educate yourself.
I understand the innate resistance a lot of people have to a hierarchy but it's established in the New Testament and clearly so, unless someone sits down and reads the Scripture in a way that ignores the Apostles anointing some roles and just appointing others, making sure each new church had an anointed head and so on.
That isn't the issue although the majority of non-Catholics want to focus on that. The issue is whether Christ and Christ alone is in charge and we follow Him or we are in charge, filter what He says to suit our agenda, then claim to follow Him.
In fact, I heard Evangelicals and Fundamentalists preach for years that they would include as their Christian brothers anyone who believes in Salvation by Grace alone, through Faith alone, in Christ alone, but when Catholics say and spell out that exact same thing, Oh, well, then they can't be accepted as fellow Christians. Unity in Christ is focusing on Christ rather than the hierarchy or lack thereof and I dare say it's not Catholics who can't accept and welcome fellow Christians nearly as often as the reverse is true.
Mark 9:37 John answered him, saying : Master, we saw one casting out devils in thy name, who followeth not us, and we forbade him.
Mark 9:38 But Jesus said : Do not forbid him. * For there is no man that doth a miracle in my name, and can soon speak ill of me.
Mark 9:39 For he that is not against you, is for you.
Not according to Catholic history written by Catholics apparently.
Check the dates. Constantine was an emperor who legalized the Catholic faith.
That list is quite impressive. I must of missed the part where Peter was elected pope of the Catholic Church. I was under the impression that Jesus appointed him the foundation of His church. Turns out he was elected by Catholics. /sarc
“Check the dates. Constantine was an emperor who legalized the Catholic faith.”
That’s what I said above and was told I was an ignorant fool. Apparently we are both wrong.
You’re right, it centers on the concept of authority. I have read the Bible thoroughly and all the apostolic fathers multiple times, and find no evidence of the the hierarchy you describe in biblical or post-apostolic times, nor the primacy of Rome.
Regarding the evangelicals and fundamentalists, they fall prey to the human tendency of all Christian religionists of all stripes: having once faced heresy, all their theology inexorably becomes exclusionist, rather than inclusionist. It is the story of Rome and of every other long-lasting Christian movement that I have studied.
It’s all about Jesus. I just want to make the Jesus I see in the Bible tangible to people around me. Because of him I have hope for now and eternity, and I suspect you do, too.
You said he was a Pope.
“Read Pagan Christianity by Frank Viola. It is the most researched book concerning this very topic.”
No. It is just the latest in a long chain of pseudo research dating back to the nineteenth century that doesn’t actually do anything to prove your point. I see no evidence that you’ve read the book either or imbibed any of its claimed research.
“I bet you wont because its much easier to call me names.”
Actually, I’ll be happy to read it - although I’ve read dozens of books like it before that date back to the 19th century.
“I wish you the best on your journey brother.”
Thanks. Sadly, I knew you would go belly up when I demanded evidence. And you have. And, remember, Constantine did not establish Christianity as the official religion of the Roman Empire. You learned something today about history that you previously got wrong. Don’t forget it. And don’t forget who taught it to you either.
As the emperor of Rome, he was the head of religion for the roman empire at that time. There was no “Pope”. It seems that the lineage was created after adoption of Christianity as the official Roman religion. Man came up with the idea of a Pope.
Jesus said it best:
1 Then spake Jesus to the multitudes and to his disciples,
2 saying, The scribes and the Pharisees sit on Moses seat:
3 all things therefore whatsoever they bid you, these do and observe: but do not ye after their works; for they say, and do not.
4 Yea, they bind heavy burdens and grievous to be borne, and lay them on men’s shoulders; but they themselves will not move them with their finger.
5 But all their works they do to be seen of men: for they make broad their phylacteries, and enlarge the borders of their garments ,
6 and love the chief place at feasts, and the chief seats in the synagogues,
7 and the salutations in the marketplaces, and to be called of men, Rabbi.
8 But be not ye called Rabbi: for one is your teacher, and all ye are brethren.
9 And call no man your father on the earth: for one is your Father, even he who is in heaven.
10 Neither be ye called masters: for one is your master, even the Christ.
11 But he that is greatest among you shall be your servant. 12 And whosoever shall exalt himself shall be humbled; and whosoever shall humble himself shall be exalted.
The term is “Pontifex Maximus.”
You’re a funny guy/gal. You know nothing of me. I was going to let this rest but since you asked allow me to retort.
Your post is in error and makes my point exactly. Let’s say that you are correct, that the Catholic religion was adopted 40 years after Constantine. That would mean that anyone prior to that time was appointed pope after the fact. So you get to pick and choose your lineage. How convenient for you.
How about you edjumacate me on other things:
Why do you spread ash on your forehead?
What is the purpose of carrying palm leafs?
Explain the fixation with Mary?
How did Peter get elected Pope?
Why do you call the pope and priests “Holy Father” when Jesus specifically states not to?