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Unpaid Mormon Leaders Get a Pretty Sweet Deal [So-called 'unpaid' bishops get $100,000 in benefits!]
Mormon Coffee ^ | Jan. 31, 2013 | Sharon Lindblum

Posted on 01/31/2013 5:05:06 PM PST by Colofornian

Late last year (2012) a copy of the 2006 Mission President’s Handbook was posted on an individual’s blog site. This document, produced by the Mormon Church as a practical instruction manual for mission presidents, “contains basic policies and guidelines established by the First Presidency and the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles to help you lead your missionaries and direct the work” (6). The book is not intended for general readership; “general” readers have found that it contains some things that are surprising in light of the public face that the Church puts forth.

PaycheckOne such surprise is found in Appendix B, Family Finances. It begins,

“While you are serving as mission president, the Church reimburses the necessary living expenses for you, your wife, and your dependent children. Dependent children are defined as those who are under age 26, have not been married, and are not employed full-time. Living expenses include food, clothing, household supplies, family activities, dry cleaning, personal long-distance calls to family, and modest gifts (for example, Christmas, birthdays, or anniversary).” (80)

Additional reimbursable or paid expenses are also listed including (but not limited to) medical expenses; support for children serving full-time missions; dance lessons (and the like) for elementary and secondary school-aged children as well as their school tuition, fees and books; undergraduate college tuition; a gardener; a housekeeper; internet and other utilities; babysitters; transportation expenses including the use of a car and all fuel and maintenance expenses; and personal health and life insurance premiums.

The handbook instructs,

“The amount of any funds reimbursed to you should be kept strictly confidential and should not be discussed with missionaries, other mission presidents, friends, or family members.” (80)

One can only speculate about the reasons for this confidentiality among friends and family. But the mission president is also instructed to keep mum about these financial benefits to the taxman.

“Because you are engaged in volunteer religious service, no employer-employee relationship exists between you and the Church. As a result, any funds reimbursed to you from the Church are not considered income for tax purposes; they are not reported to the government, and taxes are not withheld with regard to these funds…

“To avoid raising unnecessary tax questions, please follow these guidelines closely:

“Do not share information on funds you receive from the Church with those who help you with financial or tax matters. Any exceptions should be discussed with the Church Tax Division.

“Never represent in any way that you are paid for your service.

“If you are required to file an income-tax report for other purposes, do not list any funds you receive from the Church, regardless of where you serve or where you hold citizenship.” (82)

Eric Johnson and Bill McKeever did some calculations on a hypothetical mission president serving in the state of Utah. This imaginary Mormon Church leader ended up with benefits equaling $99,500 per year. Furthermore, Eric Johnson writes,

“It must be mentioned that tithing on these items are not supposed to be paid. Unlike other church members, this family can receive temple recommends without paying tithing on “income.” Hence, for the value of this compensation, which we list here at almost $100,000, the tithe amount would be at least $10,000. So, this particular mission president—who, remember, is considered a “volunteer”—is getting compensation for at least $110,000! Not bad for someone who is not supposedly getting a wage!”

Indeed.


TOPICS: Ministry/Outreach; Other non-Christian; Religion & Culture
KEYWORDS: benefits; bishops; inman; lds; mormon
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From the blog: Late last year (2012) a copy of the 2006 Mission President’s Handbook was posted on an individual’s blog site. This document, produced by the Mormon Church as a practical instruction manual for mission presidents, “contains basic policies and guidelines established by the First Presidency and the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles to help you lead your missionaries and direct the work” (6). The book is not intended for general readership; “general” readers have found that it contains some things that are surprising in light of the public face that the Church puts forth. PaycheckOne such surprise is found in Appendix B, Family Finances. It begins, “While you are serving as mission president, the Church reimburses the necessary living expenses for you, your wife, and your dependent children. Dependent children are defined as those who are under age 26, have not been married, and are not employed full-time. Living expenses include food, clothing, household supplies, family activities, dry cleaning, personal long-distance calls to family, and modest gifts (for example, Christmas, birthdays, or anniversary).” (80) Additional reimbursable or paid expenses are also listed including (but not limited to) medical expenses; support for children serving full-time missions; dance lessons (and the like) for elementary and secondary school-aged children as well as their school tuition, fees and books; undergraduate college tuition; a gardener; a housekeeper; internet and other utilities; babysitters; transportation expenses including the use of a car and all fuel and maintenance expenses; and personal health and life insurance premiums...Eric Johnson and Bill McKeever did some calculations on a hypothetical mission president serving in the state of Utah. This imaginary Mormon Church leader ended up with benefits equaling $99,500 per year.

On top of that, since the Lds bishops don't have to tithe 10% of this additional "benefit," it amounts about $110,000 worth of benefits.

1 posted on 01/31/2013 5:05:17 PM PST by Colofornian
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To: Colofornian

Romney lost, like you wanted. You can quit bashing Mormons and enjoy Obama.


2 posted on 01/31/2013 5:10:00 PM PST by ozzymandus
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To: Colofornian

It is obvious you don’t know what you are talking about.

Mission Presidents are not Bishops.


3 posted on 01/31/2013 5:10:13 PM PST by Dan(9698)
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To: Colofornian

This isn’t that unusual. My wife grew up as a MK in Brasil (Baptist) and things like having a housekeeper was normal there. It is a cultural norm, it helps the missionaries get a connection to the community, and it is one more way to give into the community.


4 posted on 01/31/2013 5:12:39 PM PST by mnehring
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To: Colofornian

Every religion pays their priests and ministers. What’s your point?


5 posted on 01/31/2013 5:13:49 PM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: Colofornian

It seems it costs Baptist missionaries about the same amount per person in the field. The costs are in line.
http://jeremywallace.net/2011/12/02/why-independent-baptist-missions-is-failing/

The problem has been Baptists haven’t been supporting their missionaries so they have been collapsing in numbers. Maybe they should learn from the LDS.


6 posted on 01/31/2013 5:15:43 PM PST by mnehring
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To: Sacajaweau

They claim all their leaders are “unpaid”


7 posted on 01/31/2013 5:16:12 PM PST by Colofornian
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To: Sacajaweau
Makes you wonder how much her make-up, wig, and gold chair budget is.


8 posted on 01/31/2013 5:18:02 PM PST by mnehring
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To: ozzymandus

Ah, sugar.

This is the Religion Forum, this is a discussion about the alleged “non paid” so called clergy, that mormonISM prompts.

If you are not interested in discussions that revolve around religion, maybe you should not view the threads.

This thread has nothing to do with Romney, it has to do with mormonISM.


9 posted on 01/31/2013 5:18:57 PM PST by svcw (Why is one cell on another planet considered life, and in the womb it is not.)
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To: Sacajaweau

They don’t encourage secrecy from the government as best I can tell.


10 posted on 01/31/2013 5:21:34 PM PST by AppyPappy (You never see a massacre at a gun show.)
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To: ozzymandus

“Romney lost,”

We nominated a loser. That happens.


11 posted on 01/31/2013 5:22:47 PM PST by AppyPappy (You never see a massacre at a gun show.)
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To: ozzymandus
It's not out of my pocket.

Obama takes from my pocket.

12 posted on 01/31/2013 5:22:47 PM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: mnehring

Why do you insist on knocking good people?


13 posted on 01/31/2013 5:23:47 PM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: Colofornian

Why do you post lies, half truths, misinformation about something you know little to nothing about. Do you like lying about churches?


14 posted on 01/31/2013 5:25:32 PM PST by WilliamRobert (God Bless Texas)
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To: Sacajaweau

It just happens to be one of the main reasons that they claim the Christian church apostatized. Mormons believe that protestants are employed by the devil to deceive people.


15 posted on 01/31/2013 5:28:24 PM PST by pennyfarmer (Your socialist beat our liberal AGAIN.)
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To: AppyPappy

http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/f4361.pdf


16 posted on 01/31/2013 5:28:24 PM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: Colofornian; Elsie

Sacred handshake bttp!

Trunky relatives on mission in Nauvoo ping.


17 posted on 01/31/2013 5:28:42 PM PST by Utah Binger (Southern Utah where the world comes to see America)
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To: WilliamRobert

Which part was untrue?

My uncle was a bishop, around the early to mid ‘70. his “unpaid” benefits measured around $40K at that time.


18 posted on 01/31/2013 5:31:10 PM PST by svcw (Why is one cell on another planet considered life, and in the womb it is not.)
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To: svcw

I call bigotry wherever I see it, “sugar”.


19 posted on 01/31/2013 5:32:12 PM PST by ozzymandus
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To: ozzymandus

What bigotry?

This is just an article in the religion forum.

Do you have something to contribute to the information or are you just anti the poster?


20 posted on 01/31/2013 5:35:25 PM PST by svcw (Why is one cell on another planet considered life, and in the womb it is not.)
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To: Dan(9698); WilliamRobert
Mission Presidents are not Bishops.

The Lds church has 70 Presiding Bishoprics, do they not?

These 70 Presiding Bishoprics are part of the 854 overall church leaders who receive a living allowance/stipend/salary (whatever game-playing people want to call it). See So How many Lds church leaders receive 'stipends

21 posted on 01/31/2013 5:35:46 PM PST by Colofornian
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To: ozzymandus
big·ot·ry /ˈbigətrē/

Noun: Bigoted attitudes; intolerance toward those who hold different opinions from oneself.

Apparently, your post would indicate you are bigoted and intolerant toward those who do not share your views. How ironic, in light of your post!

22 posted on 01/31/2013 5:39:48 PM PST by aMorePerfectUnion (Gone rogue, gone Galt, gone international, gone independent. Gone.)
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To: Sacajaweau

I’m sorry, I forgot. Jan Crouch is the Esther of our time. The new Mary.. the blessed one... with her gold chair and more Aqua Net than Mormon Mitt...


23 posted on 01/31/2013 5:40:52 PM PST by mnehring
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To: mnehring

Who’s Jan Crouch? I thought the picture was a caricature of Donny Osman’s sister.


24 posted on 01/31/2013 5:46:21 PM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: Colofornian

Just like all or most of the other religious organizations, they collect tithes which they have no authority to do and pay the preachers, in salary or benefits.

Wolves in sheeps clothing.


25 posted on 01/31/2013 5:51:01 PM PST by ravenwolf
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To: ozzymandus
Dole, McCain, Romney.....

Can you see a pattern?

26 posted on 01/31/2013 5:57:55 PM PST by Osage Orange (MOLON LAVE)
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To: Colofornian; RIghtwardHo; Reaganite Republican; Clintons Are White Trash; HerrBlucher; mgist; ...
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Freep-mail me to get on or off my pro-life and Catholic List:

Add me / Remove me

Please ping me to note-worthy Pro-Life or Catholic threads, or other threads of general interest.

27 posted on 01/31/2013 6:01:53 PM PST by narses
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To: Colofornian; RIghtwardHo; Reaganite Republican; Clintons Are White Trash; HerrBlucher; mgist; ...
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Freep-mail me to get on or off my pro-life and Catholic List:

Add me / Remove me

Please ping me to note-worthy Pro-Life or Catholic threads, or other threads of general interest.

28 posted on 01/31/2013 6:02:35 PM PST by narses
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To: WilliamRobert
Let's play 20 questions....

You go first.

Ask 20 questions about Christian churches....

Then I can ask 20 about your church.

29 posted on 01/31/2013 6:03:12 PM PST by Osage Orange (MOLON LAVE)
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

What views did I share? I called the poster on his long-standing anti-Mormon bigotry. You respond by calling me “bigoted and intolerant”, and then use the word “ironic”. Get a dictionary.


30 posted on 01/31/2013 6:07:32 PM PST by ozzymandus
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To: ozzymandus
Ah...the "bigot" slur.

Seen it thrown around here by those that attempt to mimic the MSM......though never really fazes anyone here much anymore.

31 posted on 01/31/2013 6:08:59 PM PST by Osage Orange (MOLON LAVE)
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To: ravenwolf

Although the criticism of the LDS church for paid clergy seems petty on its face it is actually a valid question. The LDS church claims that none of it leaders are paid. Then they are paid under the table in a way that just seems suspicious, like they don’t want someone to know about it. Then they make up lies about the Christian church by saying that since those people are paid clergy it is a sign that they were hired by the devil himself.

Christians don’t actually care if someone is getting paid but it is really bad form to get pay and then call it volunteer work.


32 posted on 01/31/2013 6:09:24 PM PST by pennyfarmer (Your socialist beat our liberal AGAIN.)
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To: ravenwolf

What do you think tithes are for?

The reason the OT people tithed was so that the priests did not have to worry about the daily expenses.


33 posted on 01/31/2013 6:10:17 PM PST by svcw (Why is one cell on another planet considered life, and in the womb it is not.)
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To: Osage Orange

I see losers. I didn’t know Dole and McLame were Mormons.


34 posted on 01/31/2013 6:12:06 PM PST by ozzymandus
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To: ozzymandus
You know what I continually find interesting......?

The mormon church is historically bigoted and intolerant to Christian Churches, and Christianity. ( If you would like footnotes and references...I can give them...Look up J. Smith's words, and B. Young's words. It's all documented..!! )

But yet you claim to be offended and call those that might challenge mormonism "BIGOTS"...and yes considering....what I know about mormonism...it IS ironic.

35 posted on 01/31/2013 6:18:58 PM PST by Osage Orange (MOLON LAVE)
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To: ozzymandus
Romney lost for the very same reasons McCain and Dole lost.

They are all CINO/RINO's.......Religion had nothing to do with it.

36 posted on 01/31/2013 6:22:02 PM PST by Osage Orange (MOLON LAVE)
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To: Osage Orange

Doesn’t seem to bother the bigots, does it?


37 posted on 01/31/2013 6:22:50 PM PST by ozzymandus
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To: ravenwolf; Dan(9698); WilliamRobert; SZonian; All
Just like all or most of the other religious organizations, they collect tithes which they have no authority to do and pay the preachers, in salary or benefits.Wolves in sheeps clothing.

The Bible says a laborer is worthy of his hire/wages.

Now if you want to debate the amount of those wages, fine...but the Bible is enough for me on the topic...vs. your lack of authority on this subject.

RE: The Mormons...the Lds church can pay their leaders whatever they want...

But...(1) they encourage their leaders to hide the matter in their leadership manuals...so that other Mormons don't find out about it; and (2) Mormons brag to the world that their leaders are "unpaid" -- which obviously isn't so when you add all the stipends, living expenses, etc.

And hasn't been "so" for quite some time...

#1: See ex-Lds Szonian's post citing www.signaturebooks.com: Post #93 with quotes relating to:
Salaries Ordered for the Quorum of the Twelve
* "By 1904 set salaries were back again for stake presidents, who were allowed $300 per year. . .
* Retirement Allowances for Stake Presidents and Bishops
* Systematic Payouts for General Authorities at the Expense of the Rank-and-File Members
* Massive Personal Wealth for Brigham Young and His Counselors
* General Conference Announcement of General Authority Payments
* Fixed Salaries Established for General Authorities
* Guilt Aside, General Authority Salaries Continued to be Authorized
* Salary Levels of Mormon Top Leadership Determined by Power and Seniority Rankings
* General Authorities Complain That They Aren't Getting Enough

#2: See: See Section: Church Patriarchs Paid for Giving Blessings and Eventually Authorized to Accept Donations

(This was regarding 19th century Lds church patriarchs)

"For several decades only the patriarch had a set compensation, while other general authorities depended on haphazard donations from the rank-and-file or ad hoc appropriations from general church funds. In 1835 the Presiding Patriarch was authorized a salary of $10 a week, plus expenses. . . .

"Both the Presiding Patriarch and local stake patriarchs charged a fee. In the 1840s the fee was $1 per patriarchal blessing at Nauvoo; by the end of the nineteenth century it had increased to $2 per blessing. . . . Joseph Smith, Sr., gave patriarchal blessings without payment of a fee, but would not record them. . . . 'Uncle' John Smith commented that he 'lived very Poor ever Since we Left Kirtland Ohio' in January 1838 until January 1844. Then his nephew Joseph Smith ordained him a patriarch 'through which office I Obtained a Comfortable Living.' . . .

"Financial incentive is another explanation for the fact that individual Mormons received more than one patriarchal blessing in the nineteenth century, often at the invitation of the patriarch. In October 1877 John Taylor criticized the monetary motivation of some stake patriarchs. He said they were using their patriarchal office as 'a mere means of obtaining a livelihood, and to obtain more business they had been traveling from door to door and underbidding each other in the price of blessings.' . . .

"In addition, patriarchs received fees for giving unrecorded blessings of healing to the sick. In fact, Apostle Francis M. Lyman commended Patriarch Elias Blackburn for 'doing a great deal of good among the sick, without receiving very much pay for his services.' . . .

"Patriarchal blessing fees ended in 1902, although patriarchs were allowed to accept unsolicited donations. . . . Not until 1943 did church authorities prohibit patriarchs from accepting gratuities for giving blessings. . . ." _____

38 posted on 01/31/2013 6:27:07 PM PST by Colofornian
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To: Osage Orange

Bigotry towards Mormons is the same as bigotry towards Catholics, Jews, or any other religion. And no, I’m not a Mormon. I’m nominally a Christian, but not a bible-beating bigot like some posters here.


39 posted on 01/31/2013 6:30:05 PM PST by ozzymandus
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To: ozzymandus

Hey, clearly your post was intolerant of someone else’s views. Why you are not more open-minded in how you respond is peculiar. How can you accuse others of being bigots when you think your view is superior???

Ironic.


40 posted on 01/31/2013 6:34:19 PM PST by aMorePerfectUnion (Gone rogue, gone Galt, gone international, gone independent. Gone.)
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To: ozzymandus; Osage Orange; All
Bigotry towards Mormons is the same as bigotry towards Catholics, Jews, or any other religion. And no, I’m not a Mormon. I’m nominally a Christian, but not a bible-beating bigot like some posters here.

Show us then a single post of yours on another FR thread where you've gone to bat for the literally TENS OF THOUSANDS of negative comments about Islam/Muslims?

Go ahead. Show us.

Give us a link.

Are you -- in the eyes of ALL FREEPERs -- going to start labeling those who have repeatedly commented negatively on Islam "bigots?"

Are you consistent? Or religiously hypocritical?

What about Satanists? Do you go to bat for them, too, when negative comments about Satanism are issued on FR?

How about Scientology?

Is every negative comment about ANY "religion" "bigoted" in your eyes?

What about the apostle Paul in Acts 20 who referenced "wolves" who were about to come in and steal sheep?

If/when you get to heaven, will you presume to lecture him on that matter?

What about when Jesus referenced the Pharisees as "children of the devil" in John 8; or when he called them whitewashed sepulcres -- tombstones -- in Matthew 23? He also referenced them in their proselytizing efforts as attempting to make others "twice the son of hell."

Are you going to start badgering Jesus, too, over these comments he made?

I’m nominally a Christian...

It seems this is precisely the problem: Apparently you don't even know some of the things uttered by the divine-man you claim to follow...

41 posted on 01/31/2013 6:40:27 PM PST by Colofornian
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To: Colofornian

OK, bigots like you have made me an agnostic. Happy?


42 posted on 01/31/2013 6:53:56 PM PST by ozzymandus
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

What “view” do I think is superior? I have not espoused any view that I’m aware of.


43 posted on 01/31/2013 6:57:02 PM PST by ozzymandus
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To: ozzymandus

I am sorry, ozzy, it is not possible to be a “nominal Christian”.
You are either a Christian or you are not, however your statement explains much.


44 posted on 01/31/2013 7:02:51 PM PST by svcw (Why is one cell on another planet considered life, and in the womb it is not.)
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To: ozzymandus

No they lost because they were rhinos.


45 posted on 01/31/2013 7:04:55 PM PST by svcw (Why is one cell on another planet considered life, and in the womb it is not.)
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To: ozzymandus

Sure you did!

You condemned someone else’s ideas- demonstrating that you believe your view is superior- even worse, that you are so intolerant that you had to publicly condemn his ideas.

Bigotry is the belief that your view is superior, and an intolerance of competing beliefs. I don’t condemn you for your bigotry though. I accept you as you are.

Really ironic, since you accused him of bigotry.


46 posted on 01/31/2013 7:10:55 PM PST by aMorePerfectUnion (Gone rogue, gone Galt, gone international, gone independent. Gone.)
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To: svcw

Sorry, I didn’t know you were the judge of who is a Christian. Forgive me, God. When I said I was a nominal Christian, I meant that my parents made me attend Sunday School. I haven’t been back to church since, but I haven’t joined any other religion. If that doesn’t fit your definition, that’s OK too.


47 posted on 01/31/2013 7:17:20 PM PST by ozzymandus
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

I condemned bigotry. I realize this is not popular with bigots. I don’t think you know what bigotry and irony are.


48 posted on 01/31/2013 7:23:37 PM PST by ozzymandus
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To: ozzymandus

Did the fact that Obama won stop the heresies of the Mormon Church?

Sometimes there are other battles, battles that are more important and indeed may well be the cause of the lesser ones.

Obama wasn’t happenstance...


49 posted on 01/31/2013 7:24:02 PM PST by ejonesie22 (8/30/10, the day Truth won.)
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To: ozzymandus

Oh, I see.
Church just for your edification does not make you a Christian.
I stand by my statement, you are either a Christian or you are not.
Being a nominal Christian would be no different than being nominally pregnant.


50 posted on 01/31/2013 7:24:14 PM PST by svcw (Why is one cell on another planet considered life, and in the womb it is not.)
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