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LA Archbishop Relieves Retired Cardinal of Duties [Mahony, sex abuse fallout]
Yahoo News ^ | 2/1/13 | Gillian Flaccus

Posted on 02/01/2013 7:10:16 AM PST by marshmallow

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To: Salvation

Even if Archbishop Gomez successfully petitioned to have Mahony laicized, the biretta is beyond his reach. (The last lay cardinal was sometime in the 19th century, but it is a possibility).


21 posted on 02/01/2013 9:54:38 AM PST by Hieronymus ( (It is terrible to contemplate how few politicians are hanged. --G.K. Chesterton))
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To: Biggirl
As stated, the truth is irrelevant.

They're no different from the secular leftists in Big Media ... The Agenda (whatever it may be, in this case destroying "Rome") trumps all. Truth, completeness, context ... all are irrelevant. Even when they do accidentally publish something true, it is invariably a half truth or a distortion ... and one must always be on guard for outright falsehoods when reading any of their material.

22 posted on 02/01/2013 9:54:57 AM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: ArrogantBustard

This is the thread in question.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2984186/posts


23 posted on 02/01/2013 10:04:46 AM PST by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: marshmallow

thanks for posting this. Godspeed to Archbishop Gomez.


24 posted on 02/01/2013 10:04:58 AM PST by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: ArrogantBustard

You got that right, people with agendas.


25 posted on 02/01/2013 10:06:02 AM PST by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: Biggirl
I'm aware ...

There's really very little to say, here.

Mahony should have been sacked a long time ago. He's a destroyer, and apparently a pervert. Or at least a pervert-enabler. And, once again, the unspeakable truth.

We had a sexual abuse problem because malfeasant bishops deliberately, knowingly admitted homosexual perverts to the seminaries and bishops deliberately, knowingly ordained homosexual perverts to the presbyterate. The malfeasant bishops who did this, did it in spite of clear direction from the Pope that homosexual perverts were to be excluded from the clergy.

ANY organization, particularly one that deals extensively with children, that admits homosexual perverts to its leadership will have serious problems.

26 posted on 02/01/2013 10:19:29 AM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: ArrogantBustard

Mahony should have been REMOVED years ago. Having said that, the focus should be on those who did or allowed those who attacked children, not attack the Church as a whole, but focus on removing those who either did or enabled.


27 posted on 02/01/2013 10:34:17 AM PST by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: ArrogantBustard; Biggirl

I’ve read some speculation that Mahony would not have gone quietly into this good night, and keeping him on was a way of avoiding schism. Sending someone in after he has retired and does not have the energy or the remaining time to become a rallying point and having them unearth whatever was present to allow him to die with the reputation he deserves is arguably a better strategy. It isn’t the strategy that I would have used—but I’m not the Pope, and there is a reason for that.

I would have had him burnt at the stake some years ago, but that is just me.


28 posted on 02/01/2013 12:29:07 PM PST by Hieronymus ( (It is terrible to contemplate how few politicians are hanged. --G.K. Chesterton))
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To: Biggirl
...the focus should be on those who did or allowed those who attacked children, not attack the Church as a whole, but focus on removing those who either did or enabled.

So not the whole - just two-thirds.

29 posted on 02/01/2013 12:29:22 PM PST by Alex Murphy ("If you are not firm in faith, you will not be firm at all" - Isaiah 7:9)
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To: Alex Murphy

Two-thirds at the time—but how many of those presently in place? To quote my bishop, there is a reason people die. Those going in will make their own mistakes, but are less likely to repeat the mistakes of their predecessors.


30 posted on 02/01/2013 12:46:01 PM PST by Hieronymus ( (It is terrible to contemplate how few politicians are hanged. --G.K. Chesterton))
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To: ArrogantBustard
They're no different from the secular leftists in Big Media ... The Agenda (whatever it may be, in this case destroying "Rome") trumps all."
They're one and the same thing which is obvious from the way the folks here attacking the Catholic Church always, without fail, pick up whatever "crisis" the fascist and leftist media are using to attack our rights with and try to weave that crisis into their attacks on the Church.

Look through a few posts at the thread in question and you'll see what I mean. They work here as little fry, if they do well and get noticed, they advance to being attack dogs in blogs that spread their name around and let them get known, then they advance to some low level paying propaganda spot and from there the it's onward and upward for them.

It's no accident that when the mainstream media are comparing those who defend the Second Amendment to Nazis that lies about the Catholic Church being tied to Nazis show up at exactly the same time. That's the meme of the month and so it's everywhere fifth columnists spew their lies. Next month, it'll be something else but the same comparison and the same sorts of lies will show up here in attacks on the Catholic Church at the same time they show up in democrat loving media about whoever else is the primary target for the fascists at that time.

31 posted on 02/01/2013 12:54:25 PM PST by Rashputin (Jesus Christ doesn't evacuate His troops, He leads them to victory.)
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....And they forget that what took place in regards to child sex abuse took place in other places of worship and even in the schools as well.

Because, "Everyone rapes children" is such a great excuse.
32 posted on 02/01/2013 1:23:24 PM PST by TSgt (The right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.)
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Because, "Everyone rapes children" is such a great excuse.

Is that what you believe? I would never have accused even you of believing such a thing ... but if that's what you believe ...

well ...

Thanks for telling us.

33 posted on 02/01/2013 1:28:59 PM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: Biggirl
..And they forget that what took place in regards to child sex abuse took place in other places of worship and even in the schools as well.

I don't believe that they forget ... any more than the secular leftists in Big Media and Big Government 'forget' what the Second Amendment or First Amendment mean, or 'forget' that a 'fetus' is in fact a live human person, or ...

It's just that mentioning such inconvenient facts doesn't promote their agenda.

34 posted on 02/01/2013 1:32:42 PM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: Biggirl
Oh yes ... there also appears to be a systematic effort, among some folks, to hide the homosexual aspect many institutional sexual abuse problems.

I'm not sure why some people want to provide top cover for militant homosexuals ...

But there it is.

35 posted on 02/01/2013 1:36:00 PM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: TSgt

Your opinion, not mine.


36 posted on 02/01/2013 2:43:03 PM PST by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: ArrogantBustard

You hit it right on the nail, this is all agenda driven.


37 posted on 02/01/2013 2:45:13 PM PST by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: Salvation

It seems that there is A LOT of Catholic bashing going on.


38 posted on 02/01/2013 2:48:45 PM PST by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: Alex Murphy

I don’t think so. You are making judgments that are leftist media like, aren’t you?


39 posted on 02/01/2013 6:48:02 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Hieronymus; NYer

Father Z speculates on that in the thread (Catholic Caucus) that NYer posted.


40 posted on 02/01/2013 6:49:41 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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