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L.A. Archdiocese's reaction too little, too late
SAN BERNARDINO SUN ^ | 02/02/2013

Posted on 02/02/2013 7:40:34 PM PST by Alex Murphy

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To: Campion

But what about Pope Benedict’s emmissaries to inspect the monasteries/seminaries and clean them out.

Isn’t that why we have huge numbers of straight men applying for priesthood now and willing to undergo strenous psychological exams (2 days) and then days and days of interviews from the seminary/monastery?


41 posted on 02/03/2013 2:15:46 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Campion
It's not Rome's fault that they said in 1962 that homosexuals didn't belong in the priesthood . . .

But it is Rome's fault. First, Rome either knew or should have known what was going on with guys like Bernadine in Chicago before he was elevated to the office of Bishop. If they knew they were directly complicit, if they didn't know but should have known then they're indirectly liable due to negligence. Choose your poison. Second, once the mismanagement became known, all the Pope had to do was issue a decree moving, say, Weakland to one of the defunct diocese of North Africa. The Pope can do that under canon law. He can't just demote a bishop, but he can assign a bishop as he pleases. As Bishop of Ben Ghazi, Weakland would have not been in a position to scandalize the faithful.

The Popes, especially JPII, are directly at fault.

42 posted on 02/03/2013 2:37:40 PM PST by Gluteus Maximus
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To: vladimir998
Follow the law - as good bishops and priests do.
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Specifically what would you do with those responsible with passing priests around to new parishes and new victims rather than turn them over to the police?
43 posted on 02/03/2013 2:44:23 PM PST by bramps (Sarah Palin got more votes in 2008 than Mitt Romney got in 2012)
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To: bramps

You wrote:

“Specifically what would you do with those responsible with passing priests around to new parishes and new victims rather than turn them over to the police?”

If you want a specific answer you’ll have to give me a specific case.


44 posted on 02/03/2013 3:30:42 PM PST by vladimir998
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To: Gluteus Maximus; bramps
‘Passing the trash’

Too often, problem teachers are allowed to leave quietly. That can mean future abuse for another student and another school district.

“They might deal with it internally, suspending the person or having the person move on. So their license is never investigated,” says Charol Shakeshaft, a leading expert in teacher sex abuse who heads the educational leadership department at Virginia Commonwealth University.

It’s a dynamic so common it has its own nicknames—“passing the trash” or the “mobile molester.”

Laws in several states require that even an allegation of sexual misconduct be reported to the state departments that oversee teacher licenses. But there’s no consistent enforcement, so such laws are easy to ignore.

School officials fear public embarrassment as much as the perpetrators do, Shakeshaft says. They want to avoid the fallout from going up against a popular teacher. They also don’t want to get sued by teachers or victims, and they don’t want to face a challenge from a strong union.


45 posted on 02/03/2013 3:32:37 PM PST by narses
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To: vladimir998

Ah, how about the thread that we’re on???
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The horror, the sordidness of the awful abuse of children by figures of spiritual authority is not much assuaged by current Archbishop Jose Gomez relieving Cardinal Mahony of “all public duties” after mounting evidence showed he shielded pedophile priests from law enforcement.

So Mahony won’t be overseeing the Sacrament of Confirmation at Our Lady of the Angels anytime soon. But he is not only still a priest who can perform Mass - he is still one of the 120 cardinals who form the leadership of a church with more than 1.1 billion adherents worldwide, in a line going back to St. Peter.

Given what we now know about Mahony’s active efforts to protect known and suspected sexual abusers in clerical collars, this removal of him from public life is not only not enough - it’s no punishment at all.

And this crime deserves punishment. That was made clear by the heartbreaking letters that were made public last week.
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So what would you do with STILL CARDINAL Mahoney? A fiend who passed pedophiles around to prey on innocent children and a man your church still considers a Cardinal. And what will you do to back up your words? Honestly, I feel like I’m talking to aliens when I have these conversations.


46 posted on 02/03/2013 9:07:30 PM PST by bramps (Sarah Palin got more votes in 2008 than Mitt Romney got in 2012)
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To: bramps

You wrote:

“So what would you do with STILL CARDINAL Mahoney?”

First, I would have to know exactly what he did in detail. That would require an investigation. That’s why I believe there should be an inquisition.

Second, I do not know if he can formally be removed from the college of cardinals, but he could be removed from the clerical state.

We can’t burn anyone at the stake. I’m not saying that’s a plus either.

“A fiend who passed pedophiles around to prey on innocent children and a man your church still considers a Cardinal.”

Again, the problem is that I don’t even know if a cardinal can be removed from the college. There might be no mechanism for it - much like Jimmy Savile can’t have his knighthood (or whatever his rank was) removed because there is no mechanism for it.

“And what will you do to back up your words?”

Well, as a ‘civilian’, I can’t do anything to back up my words just like everyone else in this thread. That’s the reality of the situation. I can only leave it in the hands of God, pray, fast, and work for justice. My power and influence is limited.

“Honestly, I feel like I’m talking to aliens when I have these conversations.”

That’s probably because you have no idea of what you’re talking about and you’re trying to force a worldly answer onto a spiritual problem. I don’t think you’re having a conversation. I think you’re just babbling without any understanding.


47 posted on 02/04/2013 5:53:15 AM PST by vladimir998
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To: vladimir998

If your child or grandchildren was raped by a priest sent to your church by a cardinal who knew about him raping children in the past, who you consider that a ‘spiritual’ problem and pray about it as opposed to calling the police? This is actually happening to children! Babbling my a$$!


48 posted on 02/04/2013 6:20:42 AM PST by bramps (Sarah Palin got more votes in 2008 than Mitt Romney got in 2012)
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To: bramps

You’re proving my point.

You wrote:

“If your child or grandchildren was raped by a priest sent to your church by a cardinal who knew about him raping children in the past, who you consider that a ‘spiritual’ problem and pray about it as opposed to calling the police?”

You’re proving my point when I said you don’t understand this. Yes, it’s a spriritual problem. That doesn’t mean it isn’t criminal as well. Do you even understand what is meant by “spiritual problem”? Apparently not.

“This is actually happening to children! Babbling my a$$!”

That’s what you’re doing - babbling. You proved my point.
Believe me, if we had an inquisition, none of this would have happened as it did. We should still have one today.


49 posted on 02/04/2013 6:43:01 AM PST by vladimir998
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To: vladimir998

You accuse and insult, but have a hard time answering simple questions.


50 posted on 02/04/2013 7:04:30 AM PST by bramps (Sarah Palin got more votes in 2008 than Mitt Romney got in 2012)
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To: vladimir998

And exactly what do you mean that we should have an inquisition today?


51 posted on 02/04/2013 7:06:49 AM PST by bramps (Sarah Palin got more votes in 2008 than Mitt Romney got in 2012)
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To: bramps

You wrote:

“You accuse and insult, but have a hard time answering simple questions.”

A question that requires specifics to be answered but includes none is not a simple question. Also, I do not accuse. I simply state the truth.


52 posted on 02/04/2013 10:59:07 AM PST by vladimir998
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To: bramps

You wrote:

“And exactly what do you mean that we should have an inquisition today?”

I can’t see how my comment would need clarification.


53 posted on 02/04/2013 11:00:53 AM PST by vladimir998
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To: bramps
And exactly what do you mean that we should have an inquisition today?

The Inquisition was a judicial system within the Catholic Church made up of priests who were charged with ensuring doctrinal integrity and discipline within the Church. The Inquisition was charged with investigating and exposing serious ecclesiastical crimes to ensure moral uprightness amongst the clergy and to root out any false doctrines that were being taught. These inquisitions were usually established locally and overseen by the Holy Office in Rome.

Historically, ecclesiastics found guilty of serious sins such as sodomy or heresy by an inquisition after a thorough investigation and trial would have been sacked and handed over to the secular authorities for punishment.

54 posted on 02/04/2013 12:59:45 PM PST by old republic
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To: old republic

Thank you


55 posted on 02/04/2013 2:04:16 PM PST by bramps (Sarah Palin got more votes in 2008 than Mitt Romney got in 2012)
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