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...Police investigate claims that Mormons kept wives from escaping Utah enclave
UK Daily Mail ^ | Jan. 23, 2013 | Sam Webb

Posted on 02/05/2013 8:08:03 PM PST by Colofornian

Police in a Utah town dominated by one of the largest polygamous sects in the U.S. have been stopping women from leaving, according to a top lawman.

Arizona's attorney general Tom Horne yesterday announced a criminal probe of the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints (FLDS) and the Marshal's Office, which serves as a small police force in the twin polygamous towns of Hildale, Utah, and Colorado City, Arizona.

During a news conference held in Phoenix, Mr Horne also announced that a 26-year-old woman had been granted temporary custody of her six children and had fled the town of Colorado City, the home base of the FLDS.

He said she was forced by by its jailed leader Warren Jeffs to marry her brother-in-law at the age of 14, and had since been virtually held captive in the town on the Utah-Arizona border, along with many other women who want to leave.

'What they do is say, "Everybody watch her so she won't run away". Then she can't leave,' Horne said.

'Women who wanted to escape have been forcibly held by the marshals against their will.'...

(Excerpt) Read more at dailymail.co.uk ...


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Please note: Not enough "character" room within FREEPER headline space for entire headline. The full headline in the UK Daily Mail reads:

The town where women cannot leave: Police investigate claims that Mormons kept wives from escaping Utah enclave

From the article: Police in a Utah town dominated by one of the largest polygamous sects in the U.S. have been stopping women from leaving, according to a top lawman. Arizona's attorney general Tom Horne yesterday announced a criminal probe of the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints (FLDS) and the Marshal's Office, which serves as a small police force in the twin polygamous towns of Hildale, Utah, and Colorado City, Arizona. During a news conference held in Phoenix, Mr Horne also announced that a 26-year-old woman had been granted temporary custody of her six children and had fled the town of Colorado City, the home base of the FLDS. He said she was forced by by its jailed leader Warren Jeffs to marry her brother-in-law at the age of 14, and had since been virtually held captive in the town on the Utah-Arizona border, along with many other women who want to leave. 'What they do is say, "Everybody watch her so she won't run away". Then she can't leave,' Horne said. 'Women who wanted to escape have been forcibly held by the marshals against their will.'

Domestic hostages, if you will.

1 posted on 02/05/2013 8:08:22 PM PST by Colofornian
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To: Colofornian

To be perfectly fair, this article is highly misleading.

When the term “Mormon” is used, it generally references the LDS of Salt Lake.

The FLDS are indeed “fundamentalist” Mormons, but don’t have much more in common with the LDS than the People’s Temple have with “other” Christians.

The Peoples’ Temple massacre shouldn’t have been reported as the doings of Christians, and this shouldn’t be reported, without further explanation, as the doings of Mormons.

It also isn’t news. It’s been widely known for decades that the cops in Short Creek put obedience to the Prophet before obedience to the laws of man.


2 posted on 02/05/2013 8:39:01 PM PST by Sherman Logan
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To: Sherman Logan

Isn’t the FLDS a large and widespread denomination of Mormonism?

I believe it is the largest denomination outside of the Salt lake portion.

To be perfectly fair, I don’t think that comparing it People’s Temple, or them to Christianity is fair, for one thing the FLDS are truer to Mormonism, they aren’t like the Jim Jones cult was to whatever he claimed.


3 posted on 02/05/2013 8:50:29 PM PST by ansel12 (Romney is a longtime supporter of homosexualizing the Boy Scouts (and the military).)
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To: Sherman Logan
The FLDS are indeed “fundamentalist” Mormons, but don’t have much more in common with the LDS than the People’s Temple have with “other” Christians.

Theologically the Flds have a LOT in common with the LDS.

Sociologically the Flds have a LOT in common with where Mormons were up into the early part of the 20th century.

Remember, 'twas 1945 before the Lds had a "prophet" who wasn't a polygamist!

4 posted on 02/05/2013 8:51:00 PM PST by Colofornian
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To: Colofornian

I’ve been to Colorado City. Toured the town. It is a genuinely creepy place. Like one of those cornfield towns in a Stephen King book without the cornfield.


5 posted on 02/05/2013 9:01:48 PM PST by P-Marlowe (There can be no Victory without a fight and no battle without wounds.)
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To: Sherman Logan

When the term “Mormon” is used, it generally references the LDS of Salt Lake.
___________________________________________

The first Mormon, Joseph Smith never did make it to Utah Territory...

He wasnt an LDS of Salt lake either...

and yet your LDS AKA Mormons of Salt Lake worship him along with the LDS AKA Mormons of Hillsdale...

and believe the same religious books he wrote...


6 posted on 02/05/2013 9:02:57 PM PST by Tennessee Nana
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To: Sherman Logan

this shouldn’t be reported, without further explanation, as the doings of Mormons.
_______________________________________

ME !!! ME !!! ME !!!

I know the answer !!!

OK

‘What they do is say, “Everybody watch her so she won’t run away”. Then she can’t leave,’ Horne said.

Horne could have been talking about Salt Lake and Utah Territory under Brigham Young...

Now ya know...


7 posted on 02/05/2013 9:07:49 PM PST by Tennessee Nana
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To: Sherman Logan; Colofornian
It also isn’t news. It’s been widely known for decades..

It is news to me. At it's about time, this news is making it that it IS more widely known. Thanks Colofornian.

This is horrible and what a LIE to say having so many wives is from God. And they are not Christian. Satan is the master of liars.

8 posted on 02/05/2013 9:12:31 PM PST by presently no screen name
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To: Colofornian
Domestic hostages, if you will.

You are too nice, Colofornian. I see it as underage sex hostages.

9 posted on 02/05/2013 9:17:06 PM PST by presently no screen name
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To: Tennessee Nana

This afternoon a young man in a pickup truck stopped by looking for work. He looked perfectly normal, introduced himself as Levi. It was a nice truck, a four door model. Soon at least ten little kids started streaming out of the truck followed by three very plain hair braided women in long dresses. Poor souls....


10 posted on 02/05/2013 9:17:18 PM PST by Utah Binger (Southern Utah where the world comes to see America)
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To: Sherman Logan
Joseph Smith was a sexual predator. Bringem Young was also a pervert. The entire "religion" was a scam devised to justify the sexual perversions of its founders.

FLDS members openly engage in plural marriages. Most LDS members are not open about their plural marriages; they are closet bigamists.

11 posted on 02/05/2013 9:19:40 PM PST by Tau Food (Never give a sword to a man who can't dance.)
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To: Colofornian

The Daily Mail doesn’t know the difference between a Mormon and a hangman. When are we going to understand that the DM is written by the usual gang of idiots.


12 posted on 02/05/2013 9:21:21 PM PST by righttackle44 (Take scalps. Leave the bodies as a warning.)
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To: righttackle44

There were Mormons in the UK before there were Mormons in Salt Lake...


13 posted on 02/05/2013 9:27:07 PM PST by Tennessee Nana
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To: righttackle44

The Romneys immigrated from England to personally serve their prophet.

I have it as 1842, we’ll if that is corrected, I have seen more than one date given.


14 posted on 02/05/2013 9:41:11 PM PST by ansel12 (Romney is a longtime supporter of homosexualizing the Boy Scouts (and the military).)
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To: Sherman Logan

This article is from January this year.
Because it is a news story just one month old, even if people have hear reports for years does not make the information invalid.
flds follow the original teachings of Joseph Smith, it is the current SLC lds that do not.
The flds who have called themselves mormons since their foundation, have the same or greater claim to the word mormon than SLC lds.


15 posted on 02/05/2013 9:59:20 PM PST by svcw (Why is one cell on another planet considered life, and in the womb it is not.)
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To: ansel12

FLDS is generally considered to have around 10,000 members. That’s a good deal fewer than will fit in many of the new church buildings. I wouldn’t consider that either large or widespread.


16 posted on 02/06/2013 1:58:20 AM PST by Sherman Logan
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To: Colofornian

I agree that the FLDS is closer in many ways to the original Smith and Brigham version of Mormonism.


17 posted on 02/06/2013 2:02:10 AM PST by Sherman Logan
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To: Tau Food
Most LDS members are not open about their plural marriages; they are closet bigamists.

How's that work? There are at least 2x as many LDS women as men?

I am not even vaguely an apologist for Mormonism, but I do believe in accuracy. And referring to the FLDS' extremist activity as "Mormon" without further explanation is unfair.

BTW, there are few Christian groups who come out spotless if we are going to start dredging up old evil practices. Admittedly the Mormon (LDS) misdeeds are more recent than most, but most Christian have engaged in atrocities and persecution or are descended from groups that did.

18 posted on 02/06/2013 2:09:08 AM PST by Sherman Logan
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To: Sherman Logan

That is enough to fill many churches, many, scattered in several states and 2 different nations.

By Mormon standards, that is probably the second largest denomination.


19 posted on 02/06/2013 2:09:48 AM PST by ansel12 (Romney is a longtime supporter of homosexualizing the Boy Scouts (and the military).)
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To: Sherman Logan
I am not even vaguely an apologist for Mormonism,

LOL, you may not be good at it, but you definitely seem to put your heart and soul towards it.

20 posted on 02/06/2013 2:12:03 AM PST by ansel12 (Romney is a longtime supporter of homosexualizing the Boy Scouts (and the military).)
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To: Colofornian


21 posted on 02/06/2013 2:43:53 AM PST by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet - Mater tua caligas exercitus gerit ;-{)
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To: Colofornian

Heck, the Mormon men have held their women as prisoners from the get-go; it isn’t a big secret. One of the wives of the earliest founders did escape and was doing her best to spread the truth. She disappeared suddenly, never to be seen or heard from again. Foul play was suspected.

And the fathers pimp out their under-age daughters to the dirty old leaders. How this can occur in America is astounding; it’s third-world stuff.


22 posted on 02/06/2013 3:05:58 AM PST by MayflowerMadam
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To: Tennessee Nana
and yet your LDS AKA Mormons of Salt Lake worship him along with the LDS AKA Mormons of Hillsdale...
and believe the same religious books he wrote...


23 posted on 02/06/2013 6:29:34 AM PST by greyfoxx39 (Thanks Mitt.)
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To: Sherman Logan
You've missed the point.

This is today's THREE MINUTES HATE. Truth has nothing to do with it as long as it's defamatory and sensational.

24 posted on 02/06/2013 10:04:19 AM PST by jimt (Fear is the darkroom where negatives are developed.)
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To: Colofornian
This story made my IQ drop 10 points. If I stutter during the response, that's why.

If you click the link you'll see the AG standing in front of what appears to be a political poster. He must be up for re-election or something.

Are you telling me that if someone is being held in that town against their will, they can't pick up a phone and call the state police? The press? The FBI? How hard is it to call for help? How hard is it to send a text or an email? Sheesh... I don't buy it.

Do you honestly think that if thousands of people were being forcibly held that the US Justice department wouldn't get involved? (uuummm the perps are white so yea they would get involved)

Ruby Jessop finally fled last year,...

So...she got in her car and drove off...mmkay

I do hope they are still investigating to make sure more young girls aren't being abused though.

'What they do is say,..

The infamous "they". I think the motivation behind the actions of this AG are dubious. I'd like to know his religious affiliation. He's not leveling a charge of wrong doing against an individual he's using inflammatory language leveled at an entire people.
25 posted on 02/06/2013 10:13:58 AM PST by MeOnTheBeach
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To: Colofornian

“Arizona’s attorney general Tom Horne yesterday announced a criminal probe of the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints (FLDS) and the Marshal’s Office, which serves as a small police force in the twin polygamous towns of Hildale, Utah, and Colorado City, Arizona.

“He said she was forced by by its jailed leader Warren Jeffs to marry her brother-in-law at the age of 14, and had since been virtually held captive in the town on the Utah-Arizona border, along with many other women who want to leave.

‘What they do is say, “Everybody watch her so she won’t run away”. Then she can’t leave,’ Horne said.

‘Women who wanted to escape have been forcibly held by the marshals against their will.’”

The church does not have a spokesperson to speak on its behalf, and Jeffs, who is said to still rule the sect, is jailed for life in Texas after convictions on child sex and bigamy charges.

Horne fought last year for a bill in the Arizona Legislature aimed at abolishing the Marshal’s Office in Colorado City, and replacing law enforcement there with deputies from the Mohave County Sheriff’s Office.”


26 posted on 02/06/2013 3:00:42 PM PST by ansel12 (Romney is a longtime supporter of homosexualizing the Boy Scouts (and the military).)
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To: jimt

I guess you are right. Sad.


27 posted on 02/06/2013 4:49:32 PM PST by Sherman Logan
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To: Sherman Logan; Tau Food; ansel12; P-Marlowe; All
...I do believe in accuracy. And referring to the FLDS' extremist activity as "Mormon" without further explanation is unfair.

Wait a minute.

Sounds to me, Sherman that you're in favor of adding more qualifiers 'tween religious groups, right?

Yet are you consistent? (Do you do that when Mormons regularly claim to be "Christian" minus few if any qualifiers?)

MAINSTREAM Mormons can apparently...
(1) Baptize the dead...including Jews...
(2) Seal the dead in a marital union they NEVER had on earth (For example, see how Lds "married" this deceased Roman Catholic priest to a woman in their vital records: Mormons even marry the dead by proxy (Vanity: The OTHER World Series)) [Citation: According to research provided by Helen Radkey into the LDS Church's FamilySearch database, it indicated that Belgium-born Damien “was baptized by proxy, given his ‘endowments’ and sealed to his parents for eternity Oct. 22, 1983, in the Los Angeles Temple. More recently, Damien was sealed to a wife, which Radkey calls ‘bogus,’ on March 15, 2000, at the Jordan River Temple in South Jordan.” (Salt Lake Tribune, “Newest Catholic saint baptized and 'sealed' to wife in LDS temple?" Oct. 13, 2009)]
(3) Wear supposedly magically "protective" underwear...
(4) Say that our Father-God rose up to the "god ranks" via manhood before being selected by a "council of gods" to be our god...
(5) Fail to harangue Brigham Young for teaching both Adam=God and self-bled blood atonement...instead honoring him by naming their most prominent university system after him...
And a whole host of other UNChristian things...
...and few FREEPERs will call mainstream Mormons on the carpet for saying, "We're Christians, too..."

[IOW, if THEY are Christians, too, then all of the above -- and more -- gets lumped together and linked in as representing what we Christians believe and act upon as well]...

...YET you find it somehow offensive that there's Mormon overlaps between what the mainstreamers were practicing into the early 1900s and their spiritual descendents are practicing now???

May I remind you that there's STILL a LOT of close enough theological connections 'tween the fLDS and the LDS re: what they believe???

If LDS Mormon = "Christian"...
...Given that mainstream Mormons are further from Christianity than fLDSism is from LDSism...
...And furthermore, if groups can claim their own turf -- meaning if LDS can claim to BE "Christian" --then why can't fLDS on those same grounds claim to be "Mormon"???

Well, the way I see it then...
...is that the fLDS have no less claim on calling themselves "Christians" than the LDS do...right, Sherman???

A 'Christian'-is-a-Mormon-is a fundamentalist Mormon-is-a-'Christian'...??? All in one loop...???

Those who claim that Christians cannot set "Christian umbrella" boundaries between them and Mormonism are on thin ice turning around and attempting to draw "Mormon umbrella" boundaries 'tween various Mormon groups.

28 posted on 02/06/2013 7:32:48 PM PST by Colofornian
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To: Sherman Logan
How's that work?

Well, for example, people noticed that there were many young females in Mitt Romney's retinue who were never identified. Who were they? I believe that Ann Romney is Mitt's first wife and his only public wife. I don't believe Mitt Romney ever provided any public assurance that, if he was elected, he would oppose efforts to normalize plural marriages.

29 posted on 02/06/2013 7:41:08 PM PST by Tau Food (Never give a sword to a man who can't dance.)
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To: Colofornian

You forgot to post my little couplet:

As the fLDS now are, the LDS once were.
As the fLDS now are, the LDS may become.


30 posted on 02/06/2013 7:42:09 PM PST by P-Marlowe (There can be no Victory without a fight and no battle without wounds.)
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To: Tau Food

Call National Enquirer, you have a scoop....


31 posted on 02/06/2013 8:48:56 PM PST by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: Sherman Logan
To be perfectly fair, this article is highly misleading.

And it was posted by one of FR's most HATEFUL bigots!!!

We all KNOW that Headquarters (the legal counsel guys) has sent out warning letters to media outlets proclaiming that ONLY the SLC folks are to be called MORMON!; yet this person (spit) continues to claim that that FUNDIES are the 'true' MORMONs; just because they happen to follow our precious scripture faithfully!

--MormonDude(This "C" person is gettin' me HOT!)

32 posted on 02/07/2013 2:45:51 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Sherman Logan
It’s been widely known for decades that the cops in Short Creek put obedience to the Prophet before obedience to the laws of man.

That happens every now and then.




In conclusion let us summarize this grand key, these “Fourteen Fundamentals in Following the Prophet”, for our salvation depends on them.


1. The prophet is the only man who speaks for the Lord in everything.
2. The living prophet is more vital to us than the standard works.
3. The living prophet is more important to us than a dead prophet.
4. The prophet will never lead the church astray.
5. The prophet is not required to have any particular earthly training or credentials to speak on any subject or act on any matter at any time.
6. The prophet does not have to say “Thus Saith the Lord,” to give us scripture.
7. The prophet tells us what we need to know, not always what we want to know.
8. The prophet is not limited by men’s reasoning.
9. The prophet can receive revelation on any matter, temporal or spiritual.
10. The prophet may advise on civic matters.
11. The two groups who have the greatest difficulty in following the prophet are the proud who are learned and the proud who are rich.
12. The prophet will not necessarily be popular with the world or the worldly.
13. The prophet and his counselors make up the First Presidency—the highest quorum in the Church.
14. The prophet and the presidency—the living prophet and the First Presidency—follow them and be blessed—reject them and suffer.

I testify that these fourteen fundamentals in following the living prophet are true. If we want to know how well we stand with the Lord then let us ask ourselves how well we stand with His mortal captain—how close do our lives harmonize with the Lord’s anointed—the living Prophet—President of the Church, and with the Quorum of the First Presidency.

Ezra Taft Benson

(Address given Tuesday, February 26, 1980 at Brigham Young University)     http://www.lds.org/liahona/1981/06/fourteen-fundamentals-in-following-the-prophet?lang=eng


33 posted on 02/07/2013 2:47:21 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: ansel12; Scoutmaster
Isn’t the FLDS a large and widespread denomination of Mormonism?

Speaking of that...





With the Mormons (to be precise, the members of The Corporation of the President of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints - based in Salt Lake City) intent on being called “Christians” after so many years of eschewing that word, and despite the fact that there are so many fundamental theological differences between Christianity and Mormonism, I often wonder: 

How do members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints feel about calling the members of its various spin-off sects Latter-Day Saints, Christians, or Mormons? Or about those sects calling themselves Mormons or Latter-Day Saints? (There was an earlier campaign by LDS to have journalism style books use the word “Mormon” to refer only to LDS, and not RLDS, FLDS, or other LDS sects).

For a man who bragged about holding things together, Joseph Smith, Jr. doesn’t appear go have done a good job of it during his lifetime. Wycam Clark’s “Pure Church of Christ” spun off in 1831. This trend continued. There were six LDS sects spawned in the 1830s, eight in the 1840s, two in the 1850s, and seven in the 1860s.

Do those responsible for the “Mormons are Christians” campaign consider these denominations to be Mormons or Latter-Day Saints? Surely many of these denominations are much closer to mainstream LDS than LDS is to Christianity. Many stick to Smith’s teachings and old temple endowment ceremonies.

Short Creek Community
Latter Day Church of Christ
Apostolic United Brethren
Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints
Church of the Firstborn of the Fulness [sic] of Times
Church of the Lamb of God
Church of the New Covenant in Christ
Confederate Nations of Israel
Righteous Branch of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints
School of the Prophets
Centennial Park
Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints and the Kingdom of God
True and Living Church of Jesus Christ of Saints of the Last Days
The Church of the Firstborn and the General Assembly of Heaven

Blackmore/Bountiful Community
Restoration Church of Jesus Christ
Order of Enoch
Aaronic Order
Zion’s Order, Inc.
Perfected Church of Jesus Christ of Immaculate Latter-day Saints
Church of Jesus Christ (Bullaite)
Community of Christ
Church of Jesus Christ (Toneyite)
Independent RLDS / Restoration Branches
Church of Jesus Christ Restored 1830
Church of Christ (Lion of God Ministry/Clarkite)
Church of Jesus Christ (Zion’s Branch)
Restoration Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints
Remnant Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints
Church of Christ (Temple Lot) (Hedrickite)
Church of Christ (Fettingite) (Hedrickite)
Church of Christ at Halley’s Bluff (Hedrickite)
Church of Christ (Restored) (Hedrickite)
Church of Christ “With the Elijah Message” (Hedrickite)
Church of Christ (Hancock) (Hedrickite)
Church of Christ (Burtite) (Hendrickite)
Church of Israel (Hendrickite)
Church of Christ with the Elijah Message (The Assured Way of the Lord) (Hendrickite)
The Church of Jesus Christ (Bickertonite)
Church of Jesus Christ (Cutlerite)
True Church of Jesus Christ (Cutlerite)
Restored Church of Jesus Christ (Cutlerite)
Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints (Strangite)
Holy Church of Jesus Christ (Strangite)
Church of Jesus Christ (Drewite) (Strangite)
True Church of Jesus Christ Restored (Strangite)
Pentecostal Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (Whitmerite)

Or these defunct sects:

Pure Church of Christ (Clarkite)
Independent Church (Hotonite)
Church of Christ (Boothite)
Church of Christ (Parrishite)
Alston Church
Church of Christ (Chubbyite)
Church of Jesus Christ, the Bride, the Lamb’s Wife
Church of Christ (Pageite)
True Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints (this one was particularly curious - started by William Law, editor of The Nauvoo Expositor, just one of many sects started in opposition to plural marriage)
The Church of Zion (Godbeite)
United Order Family of Christ
Church of the Potter Christ
Church of the Firstborn (Morrisite)
Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints (Gibsonite)
Church of Jesus Christ of Saints of the Most High
Church of the Christian Brotherhood
Church of Jesus Christ of the Children of Zion (Rigdonite) Reorganized Church of Jesus Christ (Bickertonite)
Primative Church of Jesus Christ (Bickertonite)
Church of Christ (Aaron Smith)
Church of the Messiah (Adamsite)
Church of Christ (Wrightite)
Church of Christ (Whitmerite)
Church of Christ (Brewsterite)
The Bride, the Lamb’s Wife
Congregation of Jehovah’s Presbytery of Zion
Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints (Gladdenite)
Independent Latter Day Saints of Nigeria
Independent Latter Day Saints of Ghana
Apostolic Divine Church of Ghana

Are members of those LDS groups “Mormons”? “Latter Day Saints?” “Christians?”

Do the folks in Salt Lake City have a problem with any of those groups, who believe in the restoration of the original church by Joseph Smith, calling themselves Mormons or Saints?

Most of these divisions in the Latter-Day Saint movement occurred over the issue of polygamy or succession of the Prophet. Sects broke off when Joseph Smith was still alive, and when Brigham Young was named prophet, because they didn’t believe in the practice of plural marriage – either publicly, or in some cases when it was practiced in private and denied in public.

Of course, there was the great split between Rocky Mountain Saints and Prairie Saints, when LDS members couldn’t agree on a successor prophet to Smith, Jr., and the church went to Utah, Missouri, Illinois, Michigan, and Pennsylvania under Brigham Young, Sidney Rigdon (senior member of the First Presidency), James Strang, Lyman Wight, Alpheus Cutler, William Smith, David Whitmer (a BOM witness), or Joseph Smith III (son of Joseph Smith, Jr.). Almost all of these individuals still has multiple sects in existence that date to an 1844 decision about who should be the next President/Prophet of the church.

The Prairie Saints split into sects over the issue of whether Smith practiced polygamy. Rocky Mountain Saints had many, many spinoff sects after the 1890 Manifesto – groups that still practice plural marriage.

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Thanks to ScoutMaster for all the hard work here!

34 posted on 02/07/2013 2:49:28 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Tennessee Nana
The first Mormon, Joseph Smith never did make it to Utah Territory...


This guy did...


"Now if any of you will deny the plurality of wives, and continue to do so, I promise that you will be damned;

and I will go still further and say, take this revelation, or any other revelation that the Lord has given,

and deny it in your feelings, and I promise that you will be damned.

Brigham Young - JoD 3:266 (July 14, 1855)

35 posted on 02/07/2013 2:50:56 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: presently no screen name

How about, “Confused examples of the feminine gender?”


36 posted on 02/07/2013 2:52:16 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Utah Binger
Poor souls....

But not bodies; for it appears that they had SOME source of income - 'nice' truck and all.

I wonder how much WELFARE they are collecting from the REST of you UTAH taxpayers??

37 posted on 02/07/2013 2:54:13 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Tau Food
Joseph Smith was a sexual predator.OH?



38 posted on 02/07/2013 2:55:27 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Tau Food
The entire "religion" was a scam devised to justify the sexual perversions of its founders.

Nah!

You HAVE to be kidding!!??

Right???


THE
DOCTRINE AND COVENANTS
OF THE CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST OF LATTER-DAY SAINTS
SECTION 132
51–57, Emma Smith is counseled (commanded) to be faithful and true; 58–66, Laws governing the plurality of wives are set forth.
51 Verily, I say unto you: A commandment I give unto mine handmaid, Emma Smith, your wife, whom I have given unto you, that she stay herself and partake not of that which I commanded you to offer unto her; for I did it, saith the Lord, to aprove you all, as I did Abraham, and that I might require an offering at your hand, by covenant and sacrifice.
52 And let mine handmaid, Emma Smith, areceive all those that have been given unto my servant Joseph, and who are virtuous and pure before me; and those who are not pure, and have said they were pure, shall be destroyed, saith the Lord God.
53 For I am the Lord thy God, and ye shall obey my voice; and I give unto my servant Joseph that he shall be made ruler over many things; for he hath been afaithful over a few things, and from henceforth I will strengthen him.
54 And I command mine handmaid, Emma Smith, to abide and acleave unto my servant Joseph, and to none else. But if she will not abide this commandment she shall be bdestroyed, saith the Lord; for I am the Lord thy God, and will destroy her if she abide not in my law.
55 But if she will not abide this commandment, then shall my servant Joseph do all things for her, even as he hath said; and I will bless him and multiply him and give unto him an ahundredfold in this world, of fathers and mothers, brothers and sisters, houses and lands, wives and children, and crowns of beternal lives in the eternal worlds.
56 And again, verily I say, let mine handmaid aforgive my servant Joseph his trespasses; and then shall she be forgiven her trespasses, wherein she has trespassed against me; and I, the Lord thy God, will bless her, and multiply her, and make her heart to brejoice.
 
 

Whatever HAPPENED to Emma???
 
Eliza was a devout Mormon.
 
At age 38, she became Joseph Smith's 14th plural wife (in addition to Smith's lawful wife, Emma).
 
In 1842, after learning Eliza was pregnant, Emma Smith beat Eliza with a broomstick and
knocked her down a flight of stairs, causing Eliza to miscarry Smith's baby.
Wow!!
 
I guess ol' Emma got VAPORIZED by GOD!!!
 
We know that multiply him thing sure didn't work out!          
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Children_of_Joseph_Smith,_Jr.

39 posted on 02/07/2013 2:56:57 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: righttackle44
When are we going to understand that the DM is written by the usual gang of idiots.

And the BoM was written by...




"Now the way he translated was he put the urim and thummim into his hat and Darkned his Eyes than he would take a sentance and it would apper in Brite Roman Letters. Then he would tell the writer and he would write it. Then that would go away the next sentance would Come and so on. But if it was not Spelt rite it would not go away till it was rite, so we see it was marvelous. Thus was the hol [whole] translated."
---Joseph Knight's journal.


"In writing for your father I frequently wrote day after day, often sitting at the table close by him, he sitting with his face buried in his hat, with the stone in it, and dictating hour after hour with nothing between us."
(History of the RLDS Church, 8 vols.
(Independence, Missouri: Herald House,1951),
"Last Testimony of Sister Emma [Smith Bidamon]," 3:356.

"I, as well as all of my father's family, Smith's wife, Oliver Cowdery and Martin Harris, were present during the translation. . . . He [Joseph Smith] did not use the plates in translation."
---(David Whitmer,
as published in the "Kansas City Journal," June 5, 1881,
and reprinted in the RLDS "Journal of History", vol. 8, (1910), pp. 299-300.

In an 1885 interview, Zenas H. Gurley, then the editor of the RLDS Saints Herald, asked Whitmer if Joseph had used his "Peep stone" to do the translation. Whitmer replied:

"... he used a stone called a "Seers stone," the "Interpreters" having been taken away from him because of transgression. The "Interpreters" were taken from Joseph after he allowed Martin Harris to carry away the 116 pages of Ms [manuscript] of the Book of Mormon as a punishment, but he was allowed to go on and translate by use of a "Seers stone" which he had, and which he placed in a hat into which he buried his face, stating to me and others that the original character appeared upon parchment and under it the translation in English."


"Martin Harris related an incident that occurred during the time that he wrote that portion of the translation of the Book of Mormon which he was favored to write direct from the mouth of the Prophet Joseph Smith. He said that the Prophet possessed a seer stone, by which he was enabled to translate as well as from the Urim and Thummim, and for convenience he then used the seer stone, Martin explained the translation as follows: By aid of the seer stone, sentences would appear and were read by the Prophet and written by Martin and when finished he would say 'Written,' and if correctly written that sentence would disappear and another appear in its place, but if not written correctly it remained until corrected, so that the translation was just as it was engraven on the plates, precisely in the language then used."
(Edward Stevenson, "One of the Three Witnesses,"
reprinted from Deseret News, 30 Nov. 1881
in Millennial Star, 44 (6 Feb. 1882): 86-87.)

In 1879, Michael Morse, Emma Smith's brother-in-law, stated:
 
 "When Joseph was translating the Book of Mormon [I] had occasion more than once to go into his immediate presence, and saw him engaged at his work of translation. The mode of procedure consisted in Joseph's placing the Seer Stone in the crown of a hat, then putting his face into the hat, so as to entirely cover his face, resting his elbows upon his knees, and then dictating word after word, while the scribes Emma, John Whitmer, O. Cowdery, or some other wrote it down."
(W.W. Blair interview with Michael Morse,
Saints Herald, vol. 26, no. 12
June 15, 1879,  pp. 190-91.)


Joseph Smith's brother William also testified to the "face in the hat" version:
 
"The manner in which this was done was by looking into the Urim and Thummim, which was placed in a hat to exclude the light, (the plates lying near by covered up), and reading off the translation, which appeared in the stone by the power of God"
("A New Witness for Christ in America,"
Francis W. Kirkham, 2:417.)


"The manner in which he pretended to read and interpret was the same manner as when he looked for the money-diggers, with the stone in his hat, while the book of plates were at the same time hid in the woods."
---Isaac Hale (Emma Smith's father's) affidavit, 1834.




40 posted on 02/07/2013 2:58:12 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: svcw
flds follow the original teachings of Joseph Smith, it is the current SLC lds that do not.

Well; SLC may not follow the POLY part of D&C 132 (58-66); but I'll bet they sure believe and rely on THIS part of it!!!


The Doctrine and Covenants

Section 132

Revelation given through Joseph Smith the Prophet, at Nauvoo, Illinois, recorded 12 July 1843, relating to the new and everlasting covenant, including the eternity of the marriage covenant, and also the plurality of wives (see History of the Church, 5:501–7). Although the revelation was recorded in 1843, it is evident from the historical records that the doctrines and principles involved in this revelation had been known by the Prophet since 1831.

1–6, Exaltation is gained through the new and everlasting covenant; 7–14, The terms and conditions of that covenant are set forth; 15–20, Celestial marriage and a continuation of the family unit enable men to become gods; 21–25, The strait and narrow way leads to eternal lives; 26–27, The law is given relative to blasphemy against the Holy Ghost; 28–39, Promises of eternal increase and exaltation are made to prophets and Saints in all ages; 40–47, Joseph Smith is given the power to bind and seal on earth and in heaven; 48–50, The Lord seals upon him his exaltation; 51–57, Emma Smith is counseled to be faithful and true; 58–66, Laws governing the plurality of wives are set forth.

 


 

 16Therefore, when they are out of the world they neither marry nor are given in amarriage; but are appointed angels in bheaven, which angels are ministering cservants, to minister for those who are worthy of a far more, and an exceeding, and an eternal weight of glory.

 17For these angels did not abide my law; therefore, they cannot be enlarged, but remain separately and singly, without exaltation, in their saved condition, to all eternity; and from henceforth are not gods, but are aangels of God forever and ever.

 18And again, verily I say unto you, if a man marry a wife, and make a covenant with her for time and for all eternity, if that acovenant is not by me or by my word, which is my law, and is not sealed by the Holy Spirit of promise, through him whom I have anointed and appointed unto this power, then it is not valid neither of force when they are out of the world, because they are not joined by me, saith the Lord, neither by my word; when they are out of the world it cannot be received there, because the angels and the gods are appointed there, by whom they cannot pass; they cannot, therefore, inherit my glory; for my house is a house of order, saith the Lord God.

 19And again, verily I say unto you, if a man amarry a wife by my word, which is my law, and by the new and beverlasting covenant, and it is csealed unto them by the Holy Spirit of dpromise, by him who is anointed, unto whom I have appointed this power and the ekeys of this priesthood; and it shall be said unto them—Ye shall come forth in the first resurrection; and if it be after the first resurrection, in the next resurrection; and shall inherit fthrones, kingdoms, principalities, and powers, dominions, all heights and depths—then shall it be written in the Lamb’s gBook of Life, that he shall commit no hmurder whereby to shed innocent iblood, and if ye abide in my covenant, and commit no murder whereby to shed innocent blood, it shall be done unto them in all things whatsoever my servant hath put upon them, in time, and through all eternity; and shall be of full force when they are out of the world; and they shall pass by the angels, and the gods, which are set there, to their jexaltation and glory in all things, as hath been sealed upon their heads, which glory shall be a fulness and a continuation of the kseeds forever and ever.

 20 Then shall they be gods, because they have no end; therefore shall they be from aeverlasting to everlasting, because they continue; then shall they be above all, because all things are subject unto them. Then shall they be bgods, because they have call power, and the angels are subject unto them.

 21Verily, verily, I say unto you, except ye abide my alaw ye cannot attain to this glory.

 22For astrait is the gate, and narrow the bway that leadeth unto the exaltation and continuation of the clives, and few there be that find it, because ye receive me not in the world neither do ye know me.

 23But if ye receive me in the world, then shall ye know me, and shall receive your exaltation; that awhere I am ye shall be also.

 24This is aeternal lives—to bknow the only wise and true God, and Jesus Christ, whom he hath csent. I am he. Receive ye, therefore, my law.

 25aBroad is the gate, and wide the way that leadeth to the bdeaths; and many there are that go in thereat, because they creceive me not, neither do they abide in my law.


41 posted on 02/07/2013 3:00:31 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Sherman Logan
FLDS is generally considered to have around 10,000 members.

They's more than 50,000 of US!!!



42 posted on 02/07/2013 3:01:46 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Sherman Logan
And referring to the FLDS' extremist activity as "Mormon" without further explanation is unfair.

And know that...


... referring to the LDS' heretical activity as "CHRISTIAN" without further explanation is a deceptive lie.

43 posted on 02/07/2013 3:03:15 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: ansel12
By Mormon standards, that is probably the second largest denomination. in MORMONism.

(I think the old Rlds bunch, now known as Community of Christ, is really #2.)

44 posted on 02/07/2013 3:05:47 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: JoeProBono; Utah Binger

Where’s them pigtails?


45 posted on 02/07/2013 3:06:34 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: MayflowerMadam
How this can occur in America is astounding; it’s third-world stuff.

We young?

46 posted on 02/07/2013 3:08:14 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: jimt
This is today's THREE MINUTES HATE.

Yup, Jimt; it IS rather ugly when this stuff is exposed!



Questions put to Joseph Smith: "'Do you believe the Bible?' [Smith:]'If we do, we are the only people under heaven that does, for there are none of the religious sects of the day that do'. When asked 'Will everybody be damned, but Mormons'? [Smith replied] 'Yes, and a great portion of them, unless they repent, and work righteousness." (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 119).
Joseph Smith: "for the teachers of religion of the different sects understood the same passages of scripture so differently as to destroy all confidence in settling the question by an appeal to the Bible" (from Pearl of Great Price 1:12). "What is it that inspires professors of Christianity generally with a hope of salvation? It is that smooth, sophisticated influence of the devil, by which he deceives the whole world" (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p.270).
 
 
 
Brigham Young stated this repeatedly: "When the light came to me I saw that all the so-called Christian world was grovelling in darkness" (Journal of Discourses 5:73); "The Christian world, so-called, are heathens as to the knowledge of the salvation of God" (Journal of Discourses 8:171); "With a regard to true theology, a more ignorant people never lived than the present so-called Christian world" (Journal of Discourses 8:199); "And who is there that acknowledges [God's] hand? ...You may wander east, west, north, and south, and you cannot find it in any church or government on the earth, except the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints" (Journal of Discourses , vol. 6, p.24); "Should you ask why we differ from other Christians, as they are called, it is simply because they are not Christians as the New Testament defines Christianity" (Journal of Discourses 10:230).
 
 
 
Orson Pratt proclaimed: "Both Catholics and Protestants are nothing less than the 'whore of Babylon' whom the Lord denounces by the mouth of John the Revelator as having corrupted all the earth by their fornications and wickedness. Any person who shall be so corrupt as to receive a holy ordinance of the Gospel from the ministers of any of these apostate churches will be sent down to hell with them, unless they repent" (The Seer, p. 255).
 
 
 
Orson Pratt also said: "This great apostasy commenced about the close of the first century of the Christian era, and it has been waxing worse and worse from then until now" (Journal of Discourses
, vol.18, p.44) and: "But as there has been no Christian Church on the earth for a great many centuries past, until the present century, the people have lost sight of the pattern that God has given according to which the Christian Church should be established, and they have denominated a great variety of people Christian Churches, because they profess to be ...But there has been a long apostasy, during which the nations have been cursed with apostate churches in great abundance" (Journal of Discourses , 18:172).
 
 
President John Taylor stated: "Christianity...is a perfect pack of nonsense...the devil could not invent a better engine to spread his work than the Christianity of the nineteenth century." (Journal of Discourses , vol. 6, p.167); "Where shall we look for the true order or authority of God? It cannot be found in any nation of Christendom." (Journal of Discourses , 10:127).
 
 
 
James Talmage said: "A self-suggesting interpretation of history indicates that there has been a great departure from the way of salvation as laid down by the Savior, a universal apostasy from the Church of Christ". (A Study of the Articles of Faith, p.182).
 
 
 
President Joseph Fielding Smith said: "Doctrines were corrupted, authority lost, and a false order of religion took the place of the gospel of Jesus Christ, just as it had been the case in former dispensations, and the people were left in spiritual darkness." (Doctrines of Salvation, p.266). "For hundreds of years the world was wrapped in a veil of spiritual darkness, until there was not one fundamental truth belonging to the place of salvation ...Joseph Smith declared that in the year 1820 the Lord revealed to him that all the 'Christian' churches were in error, teaching for commandments the doctrines of men" (Doctrines of Salvation, vol. 3, p.282).
 
 
 
More recent statements by apostle Bruce McConkie are also very clear: "Apostasy was universal...And this darkness still prevails except among those who have come to a knowledge of the restored gospel" (Doctrines of Salvation, vol 3, p.265); "Thus the signs of the times include the prevailing apostate darkness in the sects of Christendom and in the religious world in general" (The Millennial Messiah, p.403); "a perverted Christianity holds sway among the so-called Christians of apostate Christendom" (Mormon Doctrine, p.132); "virtually all the millions of apostate Christendom have abased themselves before the mythical throne of a mythical Christ whom they vainly suppose to be a spirit essence who is incorporeal uncreated, immaterial and three-in-one with the Father and Holy Spirit" (Mormon Doctrine, p.269); "Gnosticism is one of the great pagan philosophies which antedated Christ and the Christian Era and which was later commingled with pure Christianity to form the apostate religion that has prevailed in the world since the early days of that era." (Mormon Doctrine, p.316).
 
 
 
President George Q. Cannon said: "After the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints was organized, there were only two churches upon the earth. They were known respectively as the Church of the Lamb of God and Babylon. The various organizations which are called churches throughout Christendom, though differing in their creeds and organizations, have one common origin. They all belong to Babylon" (Gospel Truth, p.324).
 
 
President Wilford Woodruff stated: "the Gospel of modern Christendom shuts up the Lord, and stops all communication with Him. I want nothing to do with such a Gospel, I would rather prefer the Gospel of the dark ages, so called" (Journal of Discourses , vol. 2, p.196).

47 posted on 02/07/2013 3:09:41 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: jimt
Truth has nothing to do with it as long as it's defamatory and sensational.


The

DOCTRINE AND COVENANTS

OF THE CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST OF LATTER-DAY SAINTS

SECTION 71

Revelation given to Joseph Smith the Prophet and Sidney Rigdon, at Hiram, Ohio, December 1, 1831. HC 1: 238–239. The Prophet had continued to translate the Bible with Sidney Rigdon as his scribe until this revelation was received, at which time it was temporarily laid aside so as to enable them to fulfill the instruction given herein. The brethren were to go forth to preach in order to allay the unfriendly feelings that had developed against the Church as a result of the publication of some newspaper articles by Ezra Booth, who had apostatized.

1–4, Joseph Smith and Sidney Rigdon are sent forth to proclaim the gospel; 5–11, Enemies of the saints shall be confounded.

1 Behold, thus saith the Lord unto you my servants Joseph Smith, Jun., and Sidney Rigdon, that the time has verily come that it is necessary and expedient in me that you should open your mouths in proclaiming my gospel, the things of the kingdom, expounding the mysteries thereof out of the scriptures, according to that portion of Spirit and power which shall be given unto you, even as I will.

2 Verily I say unto you, proclaim unto the world in the regions round about, and in the church also, for the space of a season, even until it shall be made known unto you.

3 Verily this is a mission for a season, which I give unto you.

4 Wherefore, labor ye in my vineyard. Call upon the inhabitants of the earth, and bear record, and prepare the way for the commandments and revelations which are to come.

5 Now, behold this is wisdom; whoso readeth, let him understand and receive also;

6 For unto him that receiveth it shall be given more abundantly, even power.

7 Wherefore, confound your enemies; call upon them to meet you both in public and in private; and inasmuch as ye are faithful their shame shall be made manifest.

8 Wherefore, let them bring forth their strong reasons against the Lord.

9 Verily, thus saith the Lord unto you—there is no weapon that is formed against you shall prosper;

10 And if any man lift his voice against you he shall be confounded in mine own due time.

11 Wherefore, keep my commandments; they are true and faithful. Even so. Amen.

 

48 posted on 02/07/2013 3:10:45 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: MeOnTheBeach
Are you telling me that if someone is being held in that town against their will, they can't pick up a phone and call the state police?


49 posted on 02/07/2013 3:17:05 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Sherman Logan
I guess you are right. Sad.

Why are you guessing?

Did he(?) post ANYthing to rebut what the article said?

Any FACTS?

Any thing other than ACCUSATION?

50 posted on 02/07/2013 3:18:44 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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