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Does Joyce Meyers teach a “feel good” Gospel and Christianity – or am I just misinformed?
THE WORD on the Word Of Faith ^ | 02/05/13 | Damon Whitsell

Posted on 02/05/2013 10:00:31 PM PST by damonw

This is just an excerpt from our article here http://thewordonthewordoffaithinfoblog.com/2013/02/06/does-joyce-meyers-teach-a-feel-good-gospel-and-christianity-or-am-i-just-misinformed/

Does Joyce Meyers teach a “feel good” Gospel and Christianity – or am I just misinformed?

I got notice of this thread on ChristianForums.com via a pingback to our groublog when this article was posted there.

I thought since this thread about dreams and idols turned into a debate about Joyce Meyers and comments were made like she is “anything but a feel good preacher” and “the last thing Joyce Meyers teaches is feel good Christianity”,, I would chime in a post some resources from our groupblog concerning Meyers and her teachings here.

I mean come on,, how can anyone say Meyers does not teach a “feel good” gospel or Christianity? She is famous because of her TV show called “Enjoying Everyday Life”. How is that not equivalent to a feel good message? And yes I have watched many hours of her program and know the title of her show sums up most of the individual show topics. She has written around 70 books and almost all of them have “feel good” titles and topic matter that does not focus on theology or the Gospel of Jesus Christ at all – but rather basically how to “enjoy everyday life”. How is that not “feel good”? And these books are not put in the theology sections even in Christian books stores, they go to the self-help section. How does self-help not equate to feel good and a feel good message? And if you will look inside Meyers books you will see they are even categorized by the Library Of Congress as “Self Help”. How does this not relate to “feel good”?

The thread started with a pretty sincere post asking…

(Excerpt) Read more at thewordonthewordoffaithinfoblog.com ...


TOPICS: Apologetics; Charismatic Christian; General Discusssion; Theology
KEYWORDS: feelgoodgospel; joycemeyers; meyers; prosperitygospel; wordoffaith
Our Groupblog is mostly ex-Word of Faithers posting about WoF teachers and teachings. We have around 50 ex-WoF testimonies on our Testimony Page that many of those who have came out, or are coming out of the WoF movement say have been very helpful to them.

http://thewordonthewordoffaithinfoblog.com/testimony-page/

1 posted on 02/05/2013 10:00:43 PM PST by damonw
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To: damonw

If they are televangelists, they are not teaching the Gospel. That’s how they keep the bucks rolling in. If they dared teach the Gospel unadulterated, they wouldn’t have the bucksvrolling in.


2 posted on 02/05/2013 10:24:00 PM PST by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults.)
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To: damonw

Meyers is a tough talking Jezebel.


3 posted on 02/05/2013 10:24:29 PM PST by bimboeruption (Clinging to my Bible and my HK.)
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To: damonw
IMHO ... prayer to bring us closer to God and give our life to glorify God transcends a mere feeling good. It brings a great sense of peace and joy.
4 posted on 02/05/2013 10:49:06 PM PST by Conservative4Ever (I'm going Galt)
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To: damonw

Timothy 2:11-12, “Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.”

Thus I would not sit under her teaching.


5 posted on 02/05/2013 10:52:03 PM PST by Persevero (Homeschooling for Excellence since 1992)
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To: damonw

Several years ago when I was laid up for months, I would watch Meyers, Osteen and one or two others for some uplifting. In that limited situation, these tv personalities served what I thought was a good purpose. At the time, I needed the image of a caring compassionate God. But I wouldn’t buy their wares, and I don’t subscribe wholeheartedly to their teachings.

God is benevolent, but we have to be mindful that sin has its consequences. Forgetting that point is how we’ve ended up with Obama.


6 posted on 02/05/2013 11:28:54 PM PST by fatnotlazy
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To: damonw

Rhetorically, what’s wrong with feeling good about being Christian?


7 posted on 02/05/2013 11:52:15 PM PST by jeffc (The U.S. media are our enemy)
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To: damonw

Yes, She does. Not to mention the apostate Pentecostalism and her being a “Pastor”.

Signed,

-Your friend neighborhood Independent Fundamental, King James defending to my dying breath, Baptist. 8-D


8 posted on 02/06/2013 12:15:01 AM PST by TheThinkingAmericanist (Paul Krugman, Sales tax, Death Panels)
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To: jeffc

There is nothing wrong with feeling good about being a Christian, but that’s not the Gospel.

Yes, it’s great that God has saved mankind, through the blood of Jesus Christ and, all I have to do to be saved is to confess my sins and accept Christ. But there is also the matter of, when you do wrong, you are supposed to make amends to the person you have wronged. I have never heard these people talk about that, never.


9 posted on 02/06/2013 12:50:29 AM PST by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults.)
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To: Jonty30
WOW - THANKS GUYS - THESE ARE SOME REALLY GOOD COMMENTS - glad I was wrong when I thought,, “boy, wait until I check back on this FREEPERS post, I bet I am gonna be catching some heat over this one”. I went to that forum where the comments that inspired the post are from and engaged with the commentor,, and it did not go so well LOL oh well, I TRIED
10 posted on 02/06/2013 1:05:32 AM PST by damonw
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To: damonw

Does Joyce Meyers teach a “feel good” Gospel and Christianity – or am I just misinformed?


Whats wrong with joy, redemption and forgiveness?..
Scaring the Hell out of people don’t seem to be working...
But some Gods on this planet are indeed bullies..
I’ll leave you to your own list I have mine..

Suffice it to say.... not all christians are christians..
Some are bullies.. and quite hateful..


11 posted on 02/06/2013 1:26:36 AM PST by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole..)
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To: jeffc
Rhetorically, what’s wrong with feeling good about being Christian?

The problem is that with Meyers, et. al. they offer Christianity as a means or way to feel good, to be successful in life. One does not come to Christ for what they can get; except for forgiveness of sin.

The Christian is promised peace-peace with God. All that will live godly will suffer persecution. The key is, for what is the Gospel being offered? Is one aware of their sin before God, and that knowledge is a cause of alarm, for they see it is an offense to God, which will result in such a terrible judgment that they also know they cannot bear to endure it. They also are aware of the neglect of their duty to worship God, and they understand this to be a serious matter.

Unbelievers, on the other hnad, do not conider their neglect of true worship as anything important as a violation of a command of God; none of which they take seriously anyway.

Meyers (and others of her stripe) offers Christianity as a means to get goodies from God, not as the only way a sinner in desparate need of a savior can obtain frogiveness and removal of their sin. The Gospel is God's means of removing a person from a state of being God's enemy to becoming one of God's redeemed children. The Gospel is the only way to restore the right relationship with God that sin destroyed. It is not simply a way for you to feel better about yourself.

12 posted on 02/06/2013 3:19:25 AM PST by good1 (Valiant for the Truth)
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To: damonw

She is not a true Christian but is of them that preach a false gospel and mocks the Scriptures as so many do today. Not to mention she makes a lot of money at it as so many false prophets do also.


13 posted on 02/06/2013 4:39:08 AM PST by kindred (Jesus Christ is the Lord God and Messiah of Israel, a present help in time of trouble.)
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To: damonw

Just, wow.

I haven’t listened to Joyce in quite a few years, but I used to.
There are MANY aspects of the ‘Christian’ life folks. Yes, preaching the gospel is essential, but okay, after you accept Christ, then what? You still have to deal with life throwing everything at you. That’s Joyce’s ministry.

You don’t need a transmission expert if you have exhaust problems with your car. There are different types of ministry.

I’m surprised at how many are willing to join a ‘mob’ over this stuff.


14 posted on 02/06/2013 4:44:27 AM PST by joethedrummer
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To: damonw

I don’t know who she is, but I like to judge a tree by it’s fruit.


15 posted on 02/06/2013 4:51:41 AM PST by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: damonw

I like her.


16 posted on 02/06/2013 5:51:38 AM PST by onedoug
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To: joethedrummer

I agree with you. What Joyce is doing on a daily basis is very similar to the teaching one hears at a Women of Faith conference or other similar gathering. I don’t hear anyone criticizing Patsy Clairmont.
Joyce relates the Bible to everyday life; her teaching on accepting yourself as God made you is hilarious but it gets the point across.
Paul never said women couldn’t teach women, nor did he say we couldn’t laugh during the course of that learning.


17 posted on 02/06/2013 5:56:10 AM PST by Wiser now (Socialism does not eliminate poverty, it guarantees it.)
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To: Jonty30

Have you watched John Hagee?


18 posted on 02/06/2013 6:01:57 AM PST by csmusaret (I will give Obama credit for one thing- he is living proof that familiarity breeds contempt.)
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To: hosepipe

I have said same to God, Jesus and Mother Mary in prayers “This isn’t working. How does this advance your plan” but never received a directive to change to what makes people feel good. In fact, the answers I have received are along the lines of “most people are evil” and “find God in solitude” and “having to be distracted all the time by busy-ness and other people keeps you from God”


19 posted on 02/06/2013 6:03:11 AM PST by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: csmusaret

Yes, John is good and his son is a bigot.


20 posted on 02/06/2013 6:03:32 AM PST by bmwcyle (People who do not study history are destine to believe really ignorant statements.)
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To: damonw

Trust Christ, not “Christians”.


21 posted on 02/06/2013 6:16:04 AM PST by fattigermaster
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To: damonw

The person I have the biggest problem with is Rod Parsley. His broadcasts aren’t sermons - they’re infomercials. Until I started watching Rod Parsley, I did not know that God accepted Visa and Mastercard.


22 posted on 02/06/2013 6:27:55 AM PST by GreenHornet
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To: kindred
She is not a true Christian but is of them that preach a false gospel and mocks the Scriptures as so many do today. Not to mention she makes a lot of money at it as so many false prophets do also.
I have listened to JM a bit, and I’ve heard nothing that offended my understanding of the scriptures.

23 posted on 02/06/2013 6:43:44 AM PST by conservatism_IS_compassion (The idea around which “liberalism" coheres is that NOTHING actually matters except PR.)
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To: csmusaret

I have a problem with everybody, who subscribes to the prosperity gospel. While it is true, that if everybody did follow the Judeo-Christian ethic that we’d all be better off in so many ways, it is damaging to the Christian faith to claim that God wants us all to prosper financially and live in mansions if we’d only follow Him.


24 posted on 02/06/2013 7:42:33 AM PST by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults.)
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To: good1
For evangelists, tele- or otherwise, I guess you're right. Some just want your money so they can live as a one percenter. If they're offering goodies from God if you just send a dollar or two, they're not telling it like it is.

Salvation is the only goodie I want/need (and deserve!) from God, and that's free! That is what makes me feel good.

25 posted on 02/06/2013 9:56:19 AM PST by jeffc (The U.S. media are our enemy)
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To: onedoug

Allot of people, especially woman, do. I used to watch her from time to time and thought she was pretty good. But over time I decided to take a closer look and determined that both her an Osteen are the most dangerous WoF teachers there are. Many will not even concede that they are WoF because they do not focus on WoF distinctive doctrines,, but they teach them and their whole biblical and world-view is based on WoF doctrine. Which is really Witchcraft veiled in Christian terms. Many so called Christians are really Witches unaware. Please check out the resources on this article and more from my site if you need to.


26 posted on 02/06/2013 10:22:40 AM PST by damonw
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To: Wiser now
Meyers IMO is OK and really she has a ministry aimed at women and specifically at times women who have been abused. My wife reads her books {by them second hand} and it's helped her overcome the scars it brings. I've seen accusations tossed toward many ministries even that of Joni Tada believe it or not as being a feel good ministry. Meyers generally shows persons it takes a change of heart to rid ones self of things which can destroy them or rob them of happiness within.

Joni Tada's ministry is focused on persons who are dealing with disabilities. She has a very remarkable testimony and life story. My wife has all her books IIRC and has read all of her books. My wife is severely disabled not quite to Joni's extent but one or two C-numbers lower in the spine which gave her use of arms and hands again.

John Hagee? I've listened to him and read some of his books. Day of Deception everyone should read it is a real eye opener. He also breaks down Hebrew customs as related to The Bible in other books and it is educational. I don't need to agree with him 100% nor any minister for that matter.

To some who oppose televangelism There is good and there is bad and that media helps reach shut ins or ones like myself who can not endure a church service to still hear The Gospel. I haven't been in church in 18 years. The last service I went to where a preacher was present was dads funeral a little over a year ago. I knew the preachers and I liked them. But each time they spoke I seized. This was even with extra medication. My family is used to it but it would be disruptive to attend a church service. Not to mention physically and mentally exhausting. The disorder is not anything life threatening at all. It just limits what I can tolerate sensory wise. So yea I've watched Hagee many times.

I'm Independent Baptist raised Southern Baptist. I'm not a KJV or it ain't Bible person nor a RCC basher. Half my family such as cousins aunts uncles etc is Baptist the others are Catholic and even a Mormon or two who joined LDS because person they were dating and married was such.

27 posted on 02/06/2013 10:58:25 AM PST by cva66snipe (Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?)
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To: jeffc

Also, correct me if I’m wrong, but I believe Meyers does not charge for her..... “lectures/preaching” whereas Osteen charges admission fees for his (not good in my book). But she does hawk her books at all her gatherings. From what I understand, that’s how she pays for what she does.


28 posted on 02/06/2013 11:01:11 AM PST by jeffc (The U.S. media are our enemy)
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To: damonw

I went to one of her ‘meetings’ with my daughter and son-in-law. She was quite good. Then during a break, her husband Dave spoke. Not with the same talent as Joyce, be we got the sense that they were both rock solid conservatives.

They’ve been around for awhile, as seeing by who lasts in that industry, good and ill.

And I didn’t really see anyone there who looked like a good advocate for witchcraft...at least in the Gardnerian sense. Rather it seemed like there were quite a few unescorted, attractive females, moved by the word, who were hoping to find a husband there. And to the extent that succeeds, it aids a wounded America. And I’m confident that her accounting ends in spreading her Good News message worldwide are in GAAP order too.


29 posted on 02/06/2013 11:39:53 AM PST by onedoug
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To: onedoug

Hi Doug, LOL @ attractive single woman looking for husbands, since so many would claim her conferences and ministry is aimed at woman, and they are billed that way. How many men are supposed to be at woman conferences? :-)

I have never said that Meyers or her followers look like witches or advocate for witchcraft. Witches don’t have big crooked noses with moles and ride brooms,, doncha know. But I do claim the WoF power of words or confessionism teaching (you possess what you confess) is witchcraft veiled in Christian terms. And it is not just me that comes to this conclusion but many apologetics ministries that cover the WoF. I have met well over 100 ex-Wofers and I make a point of asking them all if they think they were practicing witchcraft when applying that WoF doctrine. Most say off the bat that yes they believe they were and all other after some conversation said yes they were practicing witchcraft. And for all of them to admit they were tricked into and were actually practicing witchcraft is a powerful thing

I have written and done a video on the topic. I quote from Benny Hinn, Kenneth Copeland and Paul Crouch where they admit WoF doctrine is witchcraft or new age visualization. I’ll post my articles below and then others who have come to the same conclusion.

http://thewordonthewordoffaithinfoblog.com/2009/05/12/the-word-of-faith-is-not-the-gospel/

http://thewordonthewordoffaithinfoblog.com/2010/04/18/the-power-of-the-spoken-word-%e2%80%93-biblical-or-occult-law-part-1/

http://thewordonthewordoffaithinfoblog.com/2010/04/18/the-power-of-the-spoken-word-%e2%80%93-biblical-or-occult-law-part-2/

http://thewordonthewordoffaithinfoblog.com/2010/07/12/abracadabra-presto-and-shazaam-your-healed-of-your-word-of-faith-delusion-because-i-say-so-by-damon-whitsell-2/

http://thewordonthewordoffaithinfoblog.com/2009/02/20/danger-signs-in-the-word-of-faith-movement-witches-unaware-word-of-faith-movement-is-simply-witchcraft-disguised-in-christian-terms/

http://thewordonthewordoffaithinfoblog.com/2009/06/24/jesuss-instructions-for-our-prayers/

http://thewordonthewordoffaithinfoblog.com/2012/09/29/5100/

http://thewordonthewordoffaithinfoblog.com/2009/05/16/new-age-word-of-faith/

http://thewordonthewordoffaithinfoblog.com/2008/10/14/voodoo/

The last three come from ex-word of faithers. Another thing I like to ask ex-word of faithers is what was the source of them getting deceived. And they tell me is was their pride,, and that they wanted to have to power to control their lifes and circumstances. So when they heard the WoF message that they could create their futures with the words they speak, they took the bait and was hooked.

I think besides souls being lost to hell one of the worse things about the WoF is that many WoFers will not have a clue that they were really witches unaware and practicing witchcraft, but once that is exposed to them by Christ on judgement day,, they will never forget and that they were so motivated by their own desires and need to control things that they were fooled into practicing witchcraft will torment for eternity.

Benny Hinn claims the Holy Spirit told him, “…that if witches and occultists can speak death by the supernatural power of words, then Christian can speak life and prosperity by the same power.” The Facts on the Faith Movement, J. Ankerberg & J. Weldon, Harvest House, 1993, p.23 Copyright ©2008
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Benny Hinn: “Witches even..I mean..I’m not here to talk about witches but, but I’ll tell you this.“

Paul Crouch: “They..they under they know the secret.“

Benny Hinn: “,,,because see I had a witch tell me this. And I said what!? She said, listen to me, she said do you know that we are taught in witchcraft how to kill birds with words, and how to kill people with our mouth. I said what do you mean kill people? She said we are taught with words to bring disease on men. I said how? She said by speaking certain words (unintelligible) she said we can actually cause sickness that could very well kill.” Christianity in Crisis (audiobook), tape II, side 3.
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COPELAND: Jesus said that out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks and that’s when the action takes place because that is when the spiritual force is brought up out of the mouth – whether it be fear or whether it be faith – and when that spiritual force comes out, it is going to give substance to that image that is inside of you. People say, ‘that is that New Age visualization stuff’. The New Age is trying to do this. And they get somewhat results out of it because it is a spiritual law. (Believer’s Voice of Victory (television program), TBN, 28 March 1991.)


30 posted on 02/07/2013 12:43:41 AM PST by damonw
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To: onedoug

HI again doug, a google search with the keywords, word of faith witchcraft, comes up with many more articles coming to the same conclusion.

https://www.google.com/#q=word+of+faith+witchcraft&hl=en&tbo=d&ei=wWgTUcbyB6Hg2gXAmIDoDA&start=0&sa=N&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.&bvm=bv.42080656,d.b2I&fp=2aea2a4f42cfe712&biw=1787&bih=820

I realize getting people who are Wof and who are practicing witchcraft will not be easily convinced of it because when I tell non-Wofers they have a hard time believing it. So I think I will write again on the topic today, or soon, and will post an open thread post on the subject and see how many of my ex-wof friends I can get to chime in. If you’d be interesting in reading that post, please go to our blog and subscribe. I been real busy and am fixing to have to move in a few days so while i hope to get to it soon, it might be awhile. I’ll also post it here on FR.


31 posted on 02/07/2013 12:57:45 AM PST by damonw
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